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I have a friend who drove an old Golf for years and years and when she later bought a Japanese car she was astonished that you don't have to replace the fuel pump every 18 months.
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Despite this list my dream car is an F90 M5 even though I know I’d be enjoying it from the back of a flatbed. If I had the money I’d probably also be able to afford to keep it running too. Unless there’s glaring quality issues that hamper the enjoyment of it. Why must all the most interesting cars also be the most unreliable? I like Toyota reliability but it honestly feels like a chore to drive one.
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Feb 23, 2018 21:31
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German engineers don't grow up chugging lead or something, they aren't actually retarded, they just learn and work in a very different culture. The reason a German luxury sedan rides a little better than a Japanese sedan is because the German engineers designed the chassis and suspension with ride quality as the primary concern, after cost of course. The reason the suspension and entire subframes of German luxury sedans fall apart is for the same reason, the poo poo is always a hideously complex Rube Goldberg contraption engineered with no thought toward reliability or repairability. Japanese manufacturers, especially Honda and Toyota, focus more on simplicity and production efficiency. Toyota and Honda have long led the industry in manufacturing automation and consistency, along with an engineering focus on simplicity. There's just straight up more moving parts and poo poo in most German cars, in addition to less mindful engineering and sloppier production. Similarly, GM has some of the most talented engineers in the industry but their products are all poo poo because GM also has a horrifically stupid and awful American management culture. Wheeee fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Feb 23, 2018 |
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Feb 23, 2018 21:44
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Wheeee posted:
In a general sense I don't think it's less mindful engineering. The engineering is usually incredible, but they build cars to be regularly maintained - suspension parts replaced regularly, fluids changed regularly (with the exception of that lifetime transmission fluid crap BMW pulled), and driven on first-world-country roads. Those same cars are then sold to people that care only about image, and as a result they end up being reglected, bought second-hand for a quarter of their cost, neglected more, and poo poo breaks and is expensive to fix.
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Feb 23, 2018 22:03
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CornHolio posted:In a general sense I don't think it's less mindful engineering. The engineering is usually incredible, but they build cars to be regularly maintained - suspension parts replaced regularly, fluids changed regularly (with the exception of that lifetime transmission fluid crap BMW pulled), and driven on first-world-country roads. Those same cars are then sold to people that care only about image, and as a result they end up being reglected, bought second-hand for a quarter of their cost, neglected more, and poo poo breaks and is expensive to fix. 
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Feb 23, 2018 22:34
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I mean, I see some incredible engineering there. I didn't say anything about ease of maintenance, did I?
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Feb 23, 2018 22:43
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That's all at the front of the engine, I don't see what the problem is!
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Feb 23, 2018 22:50
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I'm the *~mysterious spheres~*
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Feb 23, 2018 23:15
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Monkey Fracas posted:I'm the *~mysterious spheres~* As the owner of a fine German vehicle on its second water pump (NO not a bmw), this was my first thought
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Feb 23, 2018 23:25
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Monkey Fracas posted:I'm the *~mysterious spheres~* I'm what looks like a ~*water cooled alternator *~
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Feb 23, 2018 23:26
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This was done to change a headlight.
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Feb 23, 2018 23:29
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Monkey Fracas posted:I'm the *~mysterious spheres~* Probably a vacuum tank
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Feb 23, 2018 23:51
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Kraftwerk posted:Despite this list my dream car is an F90 M5 even though I know I’d be enjoying it from the back of a flatbed. My buddy has one with a six-speed. Last time I rode in it, he went to WOT, and it immediately lit every warning light, the info page filled with errors, it went into limp mode, and then spent two weeks out of service. Great car when it runs...
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MrYenko posted:My buddy has one with a six-speed. Last time I rode in it, he went to WOT, and it immediately lit every warning light, the info page filled with errors, it went into limp mode, and then spent two weeks out of service. I've heard way more bad poo poo about BMW reliability, especially relative to Mercedes since about 2010. Just off the top of my head I can think of all the problems with the TT V8s in the 550/650/750/x5/x6 etc and I'm assuming the same issues in the M variants. However, it will be interesting to see how the Mercedes TT V8s hold up over time. Particularly the newer 4.0 L engines with the 'hot v' turbo configuration.
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Feb 24, 2018 01:45
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Wheeee posted:
I think you meant to say 'French'. Germans tend to prioritise dynamics over comfort, even in extremely large luxury cars.
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Feb 24, 2018 01:47
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dissss posted:I think you meant to say 'French'. Except Daimler
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Feb 24, 2018 03:16
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Sits on Pilster posted:Except Daimler Even the a large portion of the S Class come optioned with lower suspension and huge AMG wheels - they’re not going to ride any better than a Lexus LS
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Feb 24, 2018 03:41
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You Am I posted:Probably a vacuum tank 6 of them though? Also lol at rs5 rear timing chain.
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Feb 24, 2018 04:11
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MrYenko posted:My buddy has one with a six-speed. Last time I rode in it, he went to WOT, and it immediately lit every warning light, the info page filled with errors, it went into limp mode, and then spent two weeks out of service. I was shopping for a fun runabout and test drove a 135i at Carmax. It exhibited the symptoms of every common fault of the car. Slow window regulators, hard starting, and after a mild pull on the accelerator off the lot, limp mode because the HPFP poo poo the bed. That pull was awesome and the steering wheel was a glorious fat thing that filled my meathooks, but goddamn the thought of a fuel pump with a short life cycle like that.
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Feb 24, 2018 11:40
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BloodBag posted:I was shopping for a fun runabout and test drove a 135i at Carmax. It exhibited the symptoms of every common fault of the car. Slow window regulators, hard starting, and after a mild pull on the accelerator off the lot, limp mode because the HPFP poo poo the bed. That pull was awesome and the steering wheel was a glorious fat thing that filled my meathooks, but goddamn the thought of a fuel pump with a short life cycle like that. Anecdotes, data, etc, but my brother and I have been driving F30 3-series (him two leases, me a CPO) for the past five years or so and all three have been stone reliable. I’m coming up on 60k miles and the only issue I’ve had is trouble pairing my phone with the car. He had to get an iDrive issue sorted, but no other problems. Having written that, I now expect my N20’s timing chain to fail and kill my motor this week, because I probably just jinxed myself.
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Feb 24, 2018 16:52
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davebo posted:This was done to change a headlight. Look it also let them fill the washer fluid so the cost is split up.
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Feb 24, 2018 17:08
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Everything is relative, even Chrysler products are really good these days compared to cars twenty years ago and most BMWs won’t blow up and cost the owner thousands of dollars a year in repairs. It’s just that cars are major financial and lifestyle decisions, so compromising on quality has potentially greater costs in time and money than with most consumer purchases.
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Feb 24, 2018 17:30
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Wheeee posted:German engineers don't grow up chugging lead or something, they aren't actually retarded, they just learn and work in a very different culture. Idk, My Lexus (Toyota) LS430 has some pretty impressive engineering going on and is the best riding/driving car I've ever owned or ridden in. It's also dead reliable. If Toyota can do it why the hell can't the Germans do it?
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Feb 24, 2018 17:49
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Christobevii3 posted:6 of them though? Also lol at rs5 rear timing chain. Yeah, that Audi V8 is a pretty big counter-example to the "Germans design their cars to be maintained" idea.
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Feb 24, 2018 18:28
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DEUCE SLUICE posted:Yeah, that Audi V8 is a pretty big counter-example to the "Germans design their cars to be maintained" idea. Maybe "Germans design their cars to need maintenance" is a better wording
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Feb 24, 2018 18:30
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DEUCE SLUICE posted:Yeah, that Audi V8 is a pretty big counter-example to the "Germans design their cars to be maintained" idea. Well you see, the superior German metal in the timing chain will never need maintenance. It's the German plastic in the guides that gets you!
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Feb 24, 2018 21:04
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Applebees Appetizer posted:Idk, My Lexus (Toyota) LS430 has some pretty impressive engineering going on and is the best riding/driving car I've ever owned or ridden in. It's also dead reliable. If Toyota can do it why the hell can't the Germans do it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvnFrI0KEW4 New crash test standards render it not sellable. We need pillboxes to pass the crush evaluation.
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Feb 24, 2018 21:23
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The Sicilian posted:New crash test standards render it not sellable. We need pillboxes to pass the crush evaluation. What is your point? I was comparing the dependability of Japanese luxury cars to German luxury cars 
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Feb 24, 2018 22:19
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Wheeee posted:Everything is relative, even Chrysler products are really good these days compared to cars twenty years ago and most BMWs won’t blow up and cost the owner thousands of dollars a year in repairs. I don't know about that - I know someone with a one year old Jeep Renegade and it's been unmitigated garbage. I think I'd take a 20 year old Cherokee over that.
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Feb 24, 2018 22:58
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Applebees Appetizer posted:What is your point? I was comparing the dependability of Japanese luxury cars to German luxury cars In a roundabout way, bloat from safety standards leads to increased weight. Pair that with tightening emissions standards, a new horsepower race and you get today's cars. It just isn't as simple as copying the great engineering of early 2000's Lexus designers and putting on a contemporary body or many would.
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Feb 25, 2018 00:37
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The Sicilian posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvnFrI0KEW4 Not entirely true - you could make an airy luxury car if you wanted to. Materials advances mean you could do it if you budgeted for it. But people like the pillbox look. They think it looks cool, tough, safe, and modern. Concept sketches and chopped hot rods have looked like that for a long time, only now production cars end up looking more like the sketches than they used to.
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:Not entirely true - you could make an airy luxury car if you wanted to. Materials advances mean you could do it if you budgeted for it. But people like the pillbox look. They think it looks cool, tough, safe, and modern. Concept sketches and chopped hot rods have looked like that for a long time, only now production cars end up looking more like the sketches than they used to. Okay. So you can make an "airy luxury car" that uses advanced composites and materials, is acceptable emissions wise and has horsepower? Got it. This is one of those, "gotta see it to believe it," things.
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The Sicilian posted:Okay. So you can make an "airy luxury car" that uses advanced composites and materials, is acceptable emissions wise and has horsepower? If you can make a convertible with no roof structure, you can make a sedan with a big greenhouse that passes regulations. But that's not what people want. Range Rover came out with the Evoque concept which was basically just a Land Rover with a tiny greenhouse and sloping roofline and people liked it. Also emissions and horsepower have absolutely nothing to do with rising beltlines and tiny windows.
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All of these have small greenhouses, it's true, but they also are overall pretty short/low. The doors on a modern porky car are probably taller than the roofline on these concepts. Look at the Challenger as an example of this. They aren't any lower than older cars, they just have monkeyed with the proportions. If you took the same low beltline that classic cars have and you chop the top down, you have a hotrod. If you take the same and you raise the beltline up to your ears, you have modern garbage.
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Feb 25, 2018 02:41
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hahah when was the last time you stood next to a car and the roof was below your nipples edit A new car KakerMix fucked around with this message at 03:31 on Feb 25, 2018 |
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Feb 25, 2018 03:28
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I really just miss 70s styling
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Feb 25, 2018 03:36
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:
Never said they did. I said, manufacturers pump out the poo poo they do, due to a combination of all three. I've always wondered with your posts, what do you for work?
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KakerMix posted:hahah when was the last time you stood next to a car and the roof was below your nipples i wandered through the mclaren dealership a few weekends ago. does that count?
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