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KakerMix posted:hahah when was the last time you stood next to a car and the roof was below your nipples
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I remember seeing the new (current) Camaro and wondering what the gently caress was wrong with GM that they’d gently caress it up again Turns out they did their market research and people who actually buy new cars love the mean aggressive bunker look and they’re right, the Camaro looks way cooler than the Mustang
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The Sicilian posted:Okay. So you can make an "airy luxury car" that uses advanced composites and materials, is acceptable emissions wise and has horsepower?
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ilkhan posted:Model S Not a luxury car.
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Also pretty dark inside and bad rear visibility
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Feb 25, 2018 05:41
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In other news, today I saw the following license plate on a Tesla: S★TRGEN (you can get stars and other symbols in your license number in California) I know the Tesla owner's agreement says that you have to get a smug electricity pun license plate when you buy one, but I can't figure this one out. The best guess I can come up with is "starter-gen[erator]", which would make sense on a Prius or something, where the traction motor is also the starter and a generator. Doesn't make sense on a Tesla but it's possible that they took it off their old car (Priuses used to require smug electricity puns until the plebs got ahold of them) and that's what it means. Anyone have any other guesses?
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Applebees Appetizer posted:Idk, My Lexus (Toyota) LS430 has some pretty impressive engineering going on and is the best riding/driving car I've ever owned or ridden in. It's also dead reliable. If Toyota can do it why the hell can't the Germans do it? Compare your LS430 to an S-Class or 7 Series of the same era. The LS430 is nowhere near as complicated in engineering or technology. Besides, I think the Japanese automakers know that anything they build for U.S. consumption has to be robust enough to survive our lackadaisical take on auto maintenance (i.e. the dolt who runs a Corolla for 100k+ miles without a single oil change). Wheeee posted:I remember seeing the new (current) Camaro and wondering what the gently caress was wrong with GM that they’d gently caress it up again No.
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Sagebrush posted:In other news, today I saw the following license plate on a Tesla:
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david_a posted:Estrogen? yea incorrect 
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Wheeee posted:yea The front comes pre-smashed?
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Yeah I'm sorry but the Camaro is ugly and impossible to see out of.
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Domestic Amuse posted:Compare your LS430 to an S-Class or 7 Series of the same era. The LS430 is nowhere near as complicated in engineering or technology. Besides, I think the Japanese automakers know that anything they build for U.S. consumption has to be robust enough to survive our lackadaisical take on auto maintenance (i.e. the dolt who runs a Corolla for 100k+ miles without a single oil change). So you're confirming what I said then, that Japanese luxury cars are more reliable lol. Apparently the Germans should engineer their cars for lackadaisical Americans too? And I don't know about Lexus engineering being "nowhere near" Mercedes or BMW that sounds like a stretch to me. Just because a BMW 7 series has more unnecessary options than an LS doesn't mean it's engineered better.
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Domestic Amuse posted:Compare your LS430 to an S-Class or 7 Series of the same era. The LS430 is nowhere near as complicated in engineering or technology. Besides, I think the Japanese automakers know that anything they build for U.S. consumption has to be robust enough to survive our lackadaisical take on auto maintenance (i.e. the dolt who runs a Corolla for 100k+ miles without a single oil change). I'm trying to think of which features were lacking on the LS. Apparently the LS got air suspension before the S-Class.
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Disgruntled Bovine posted:Yeah I'm sorry but the Camaro is ugly and impossible to see out of. Yep. Applebees Appetizer posted:So you're confirming what I said then, that Japanese luxury cars are more reliable lol. Apparently the Germans should engineer their cars for lackadaisical Americans too? IMHO the original LS400 did a good job of copying what the Germans were doing, only with a bit more quality and at a much lower price point. The Japanese in general are more content with constant refinement, whereas the Germans are more willing to step outside of the engineering box now and again.
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Domestic Amuse posted:IMHO the original LS400 did a good job of copying what the Germans were doing, only with a bit more quality and at a much lower price point. The Japanese in general are more content with constant refinement, whereas the Germans are more willing to step outside of the engineering box now and again. The problem with that is the Germans seem content with their cars being worthless out of warranty, and going by that lemon list not too great during the warranty period either. You would think that they would take cues from the japanese at some point and try to engineer some sort of reliability into their cars.
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Not sure they have a reason to, look at Subaru's performance on that list, terrible, and they've still been killing it for several years now nearly entirely on image.
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Maybe not entirely on image, we had a 2003 Forester that I sold for parts or repair when it finally threw a rod after 20,000 miles of terrible oil consumption. That model and others had well documented ring and head gasket issues. We still bought a 2016 Outback well aware of the oil consumption and CVT history. There aren’t many AWD setups that beat Subaru for a winter like the northern midwest has this year. We’ve been down fire access roads a few hours north of Duluth through 12+ inches of snow, and it hauls a week’s worth of tenting gear for four across hints of once groomed dirt roads in the summer. It’s appropriately equipped for the price. Basically, given full awareness of past and current reliability issues it was worth it for us. Different strokes for different new car buyers, but Subaru still has some practicality behind the marque.
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Elem7 posted:Not sure they have a reason to, look at Subaru's performance on that list, terrible, and they've still been killing it for several years now nearly entirely on image. For pride? I figured since the German engineers were so much better they would want to build the best product possible, but if their intentions are only to build disposable luxury cars for wealthy people I guess they succeeded.
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Applebees Appetizer posted:The problem with that is the Germans seem content with their cars being worthless out of warranty, and going by that lemon list not too great during the warranty period either. You would think that they would take cues from the japanese at some point and try to engineer some sort of reliability into their cars. It's insane how you can spend close to 100k on a luxury car only to find out the water pump is completely made of plastic or the coolant runoff tank is actually a two piece plastic container glued together with adhesive that fails and leaks coolant everywhere.... Also brittle cheap plastic tubing that reacts bad to heat expansion...  Who makes loving decisions like that?
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Kraftwerk posted:It's insane how you can spend close to 100k on a luxury car only to find out the [anything under the hood…] If I'm spending $100k on a luxury car I ain't gonna find that out.
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There had to be a discussion about it you would think. "do you really think a plastic water pump is a good idea? We could engineer a metal water pump." "Nah, that would add to the costs. If it breaks under warranty we'll just fix it. If it breaks after warranty who gives a gently caress?"
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Applebees Appetizer posted:There had to be a discussion about it you would think. That's like replacing the battery every oil change because the alternator only runs when coasting. engineer: "but what about when it's out of warranty?" accountant: "what ABOUT when it's out of warranty? that doesn't sound like our problem"
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Powershift posted:That's like replacing the battery every oil change because the alternator only runs when coasting. FTFY
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Elem7 posted:Not sure they have a reason to, look at Subaru's performance on that list, terrible, and they've still been killing it for several years now nearly entirely on image. That list doesn't mean that Subaru's quality is bad.
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Charles posted:That list doesn't mean that Subaru's quality is bad. Exactly. You look at some of the reliability rating lists (like consumer reports), Subaru is usually in the top 5 or 6.
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Saddamnit posted:Exactly. You look at some of the reliability rating lists (like consumer reports), Subaru is usually in the top 5 or 6. Consumer reports top brands for 2018: BMW, Audi, Genesis. Pay for placement at its finest or else they don’t factor in reliability.
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Kraftwerk posted:It's insane how you can spend close to 100k on a luxury car only to find out the water pump is completely made of plastic or the coolant runoff tank is actually a two piece plastic container glued together with adhesive that fails and leaks coolant everywhere.... You either cut corners on the mechanicals and thes second owner after the lease has to buy a new car when it breaks, or you do what GM does and cut corners on the interior and convenience features so that everything you can see or use breaks but the car continues to run so you still keep it until you hate the brand forever because nothing works right
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rdb posted:Consumer reports top brands for 2018: BMW, Audi, Genesis. Where's the proof that says they pay for placement? I know everyone here assumes that's what happens, but doesn't mean that it actually happens. Consumer reports describes their methodology here: https://www.consumerreports.org/cars-car-reliability-guide/
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Saddamnit posted:Where's the proof that says they pay for placement? I know everyone here assumes that's what happens, but doesn't mean that it actually happens. Consumer reports describes their methodology here: https://www.consumerreports.org/cars-car-reliability-guide/ From what I hear it's not so much paying for placement, but if you talk with them and prioritize ir you can figure out how to game their system to get more points
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:From what I hear it's not so much paying for placement, but if you talk with them and prioritize ir you can figure out how to game their system to get more points and its foolish to think that manufactures wouldn't do this, they game their cars to perform well at tests like the EPA MPG ones, rather than actual real world performance. KakerMix fucked around with this message at 02:50 on Feb 26, 2018 |
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Sagebrush posted:In other news, today I saw the following license plate on a Tesla: start ragin'
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rdb posted:Consumer reports top brands for 2018: BMW, Audi, Genesis. Reliability's only part of it, and it's probably the hardest to game for a manufacturer. However, CR gets reliability from reader surveys, and how many people read CR and own luxury cars for the long term?
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I thought that for CR, reliability is rated separately from overall car rating when new
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:I thought that for CR, reliability is rated separately from overall car rating when new For new cars, CR's overall scores and recommendations are based on the review, predicted reliability, predicted owner satisfaction, and safety features. Many of Toyota's cars get just okay reviews from CR's staff, but the standard safety features and reliability carry their lineup to recommendations.
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Feb 26, 2018 07:34
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How is the gotta have it factor applied to the rating?
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This isn't related to anything but,  quote:I have a FICO score of 540, I make good money (100K+ a year) and have a good history with Ford Credit (2 years worth) . I went to the Ford dealership here in Orlando a few days ago and saw a new Raptor priced at almost 80K. I applied, surprisingly got approved through Ford Credit and had to put 15K down, my payment is about 1200.00 a month. There is hope edit: his interest rate is about 12-13% assuming he did 72 months. but let's be real, it's not 72 months. TheWevel fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Feb 26, 2018 |
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With financial sense like that, no wonder the credit score is 540.
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A new raptor for 80k?
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Powershift posted:That's like replacing the battery every oil change because the alternator only runs when coasting. Which models did this again? I have a friend that bought a used F30 and maybe I'll warn him about that when I'm in a good mood.
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CornHolio posted:Which models did this again? I have a friend that bought a used F30 and maybe I'll warn him about that when I'm in a good mood. Cars with the N63 engine so anything x50i from 2008-2012 The engine seems to be complete garbage all around.
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