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Fartbox posted:What the hell does Rhinos have to do with western culture or not Again, you're criticizing the movie for not living up to a standard of how a developed nation "should" act, by Western standards. The movie's technology is so fascinating because it clearly incorporates numerous elements of pan-African history and culture into it, like the force fields generated from the garments of W'Kabi's tribe. It's not just an attempt to be cool or weird, either: it's trying to celebrate Africa in the process. Saying that something like that seems primitive is not a good look, especially when, in the same breath, you suggest that they should all just be killing each other with guns, something that the movie explicitly calls out as being primitive from the Wakandan perspective.
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No advanced nations would do that, western or eastern or african. Because it IS primitive and stupid... that's my issue with it
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Feb 25, 2018 16:15
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Fartbox posted:No advanced nations would do that, western or eastern or african. Because it IS primitive and stupid... that's my issue with it Sorry man, you clearly have no perspective here on any of this and you're coming off as pretty uninformed in the process. Again, not trying to accuse you, but it comes off as kinda racist.
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Feb 25, 2018 16:17
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Fartbox posted:No advanced nations would do that, western or eastern or african. Because it IS primitive and stupid... that's my issue with it If we could outfit horses with sonic cannons and impenetrable force fields, we might. Just like if you could deflect lasers with your laser sword, you would.
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Feb 25, 2018 16:18
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[Narrative thrust of the movie is that change is necessary for a society to function] "Hey what's with these guys fighting with swords to determine right of succession! That's so backwards! This is 2018, movie, smarten up!" [Movie exists in a universe where two of the central characters fight off alien invasions with a shield and blacksmith hammer] "Hey why's the most technologically advanced nation on earth fighting with laser-spears and riding rhinos into battle! That's totally not optimized for combat!" [5+years and counting of how fun, light movies dabbling in serious issues is a better fit for the comic genre than ultra-gritty faux-realism] "You can't commend a movie for having an overarching theme about societal change while also enjoying it as a light-hearted action movie, that's hypocritical!"
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Feb 25, 2018 16:18
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It's like if the Japanese would still be using horses and only using samurai swords and bow and arrows instead of, you know, modern tech Because of ~culture~
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Feb 25, 2018 16:18
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Excuse me do you expect me to believe an advanced civilization has mastered space travel and interplanetary colonization but still uses melee weapons? How implausible
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I'm still kind of laughing at the idea that one can say something along the lines of "civilized countries kill each other with guns" and not immediately catch on fire
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Feb 25, 2018 16:21
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Fartbox posted:It's like if the Japanese would still be using horses and only using samurai swords and bow and arrows instead of, you know, modern tech Right, except, like I said, if they did that while incorporating their incredibly advanced to the point that it’s basically magic technology into their “primitive” weaponry you’d pretty much have Jedi, who are pretty much universally recognized as formidable warriors.
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Feb 25, 2018 16:22
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Fartbox posted:It's like if the Japanese would still be using horses and only using samurai swords and bow and arrows instead of, you know, modern tech If your arrows could penetrate a tank while simultaneously serving as a symbol of your culture, why would you ever switch to anything else?
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Feb 25, 2018 16:23
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Excuse me the Asgardians are a civilization so advanced their technology is indistinguishable from magic but you expect me to believe their greatest warrior uses a hammer in combat? And they battle with SWORDS? Marvel, what exactly are you trying to sell me here?
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Feb 25, 2018 16:23
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Pretty racist that the Asgardians all dress like knights and vikings and wield medieval swords. I guess all norsemen are primitive savages who can't use modern weapons.
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Feb 25, 2018 16:28
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Fartbox posted:No advanced nations would do that, western or eastern or african. Because it IS primitive and stupid... that's my issue with it Did you make this same stupid argument about Thor? Or Star Wars? I'm guessing no.
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Feb 25, 2018 16:29
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Okay now that that arguement's been solidly put to bed we can focus on my problem that I've just been reminded how the Gungans successfully used catapults and slingshots against an army of drone combatants that had mastered mobile artillery and interplanetary travel.
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Feb 25, 2018 16:33
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Nilbop posted:Okay now that that arguement's been solidly put to bed we can focus on my problem that I've just been reminded how the Gungans successfully used catapults and slingshots against an army of drone combatants that had mastered mobile artillery and interplanetary travel. Ewoks bro.
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Feb 25, 2018 16:35
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Phylodox posted:If we could outfit horses with sonic cannons and impenetrable force fields, we might. Just like if you could deflect lasers with your laser sword, you would.
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Feb 25, 2018 16:38
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The CGI Armed Rhinos are completely stupid and out of place. Because they didn't let M'Baku supplex one. 
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Feb 25, 2018 16:56
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Yeah I'm sure the movie would've been better if Wakandan society was perfect  Also, if their society has been functioning well for thousands of years, why change certain traditions?
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Feb 25, 2018 16:59
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loving hell, Okoye literally has a moment where she comments on how worthless guns are compared to her indestructible spear that has a taser and sonic cannon built into it. She then proceeds to use those things to neutralize a car. Under gunfire. I will never understand being upset that a comic book adaptation would have fantastic elements. Like imagine watching Batman and being upset that he throws Batarangs instead of just shooting everybody. Or watching Iron Man and questioning why he pilots the suit personally instead of remotely. It's a fantasy land, feel free to give it just the slightest bit of a break. War rhinos are cool.
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Feb 25, 2018 17:04
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Nilbop posted:Okay now that that arguement's been solidly put to bed we can focus on my problem that I've just been reminded how the Gungans successfully used catapults and slingshots against an army of drone combatants that had mastered mobile artillery and interplanetary travel. They actually didn't. They held out for awhile but had ultimately lost the battle until Anakin accidentally blew up the droid control ship. Because having all your droids controlled by a single ship makes tons of sense.
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Feb 25, 2018 17:25
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SonicRulez posted:loving hell, Okoye literally has a moment where she comments on how worthless guns are compared to her indestructible spear that has a taser and sonic cannon built into it. She then proceeds to use those things to neutralize a car. Under gunfire. He's upset because the drat savages are not being drat savages. Because he is clearly a loving racist.
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Feb 25, 2018 17:27
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WB animation are doing a Death of Superman animated movie. I find this odd because they already did an animated movie based on that story-line, Superman: Doomsday. That and the fact that BvS adapted it as well, the story seems to have enough coverage. I don't understand the impetus to do another. Money, I guess. That comic was very successful.
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Feb 25, 2018 17:42
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One interesting but unspoken thing about Wakandan technology is that if they you’ll notice in the last battle both sides, by heavily relying on force fields and taser-spears, end up dealing out relatively few casualties to either side . It may rely on comic book physics to work, but they actually are more sophisticated and civilized weapons. It makes sense for a society where all conflict is internal to focus on small boutique fighting forces using ceremonial weapons with a variable spectrum of lethal force. Old Kentucky Shark fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Feb 25, 2018 |
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Feb 25, 2018 17:43
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Fartbox posted:No advanced nations would do that, western or eastern or african. Because it IS primitive and stupid... that's my issue with it You ARE primitive and stupid... that's my issue with you. Oh, and you're a loving racist too can't forget that.
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Feb 25, 2018 18:06
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I know this is the movie thread and not the TV thread, but I just wanted to make sure you all aren't missing out on the Black Lightning show. I wasn't expecting much out of it, but it's super good! I think it could serve as a good complimentary piece to Black Panther.
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Feb 25, 2018 18:21
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Rhyno posted:Because he is clearly a loving racist.
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Feb 25, 2018 18:26
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Rhyno posted:He's upset because the drat savages are not being drat savages. The guy who only posted here to complain about the movie before it even came out didn't like it? I am really shocked.
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Feb 25, 2018 18:29
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Fartbox posted:It's like if the Japanese would still be using horses and only using samurai swords and bow and arrows instead of, you know, modern tech You know there's tons of Japanese-created entertainment that do those exact things, right?
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Nodosaur posted:You know there's tons of Japanese-created entertainment that do those exact things, right?  that's what made me laugh about his comment. Like, dude...have you really watch any Japanese media at all? hahahaha loving racists.JordanKai posted:I know this is the movie thread and not the TV thread, but I just wanted to make sure you all aren't missing out on the Black Lightning show. I wasn't expecting much out of it, but it's super good! I think it could serve as a good complimentary piece to Black Panther. I haven't finished the first episode. Does it get really good? 
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JT Smiley posted:The guy who only posted here to complain about the movie before it even came out didn't like it? I am really shocked. It's hilarious really. I've seen a lot of it on FB as well. The best was a dude with a confed flag as his avatar. Karloff posted:WB animation are doing a Death of Superman animated movie. This one is going to be far more true to comics I think.
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Feb 25, 2018 18:38
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Desperado Bones posted:I haven't finished the first episode. Does it get really good? I'm super into it so far. It's rare for TV shows to execute tense scenes as well as this one does and it doesn't shy away from touching on the Black Condition in the slightest. It's a strong contender for my favourite superhero show at the moment.
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Feb 25, 2018 18:44
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Nice, gonna have to binge on Netflix one of these next days.
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Desperado Bones posted:
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Feb 25, 2018 18:54
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Nodosaur posted:You know there's tons of Japanese-created entertainment that do those exact things, right? Hell, western media does that kind of thing whenever the setting allows it.
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Feb 25, 2018 18:59
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Also guns are primitive as hell. A tube that strikes the back of a pressure cell. We invented that in the 14th century.
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Look, we just aren't appreciating his position on the matter and why can't these drat savages use guns and drive tanks? Edit: I am clearly mocking mr racist Foxfart in case it's not clear. BP was the best movie ever.
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Feb 25, 2018 19:31
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It's like if we had super technologically advanced characters in sci-fi films just being cowboys with space guns. Glad that never happens.
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Wakanda is an autocratic country, hiding itself and its capabilities from the outside world. A comic book movie where a whole country has a secret identity. It's also never been taken over nor has it taken over other countries (at least not since the invention of guns). Why would they produce guns? Not for export, because then their identity would be revealed. So that leaves two options, one of which is defence of the nation. Except they obviously don't need guns for protection, and guns, because of ammunition, are inherently wasteful. The other option being to use to kill one other or rebel, which doesn't seem like a smart thing for a ruler to allow to happen but would also lead to a colossally counterproductive and wasteful internal arms race of vibranium bullets versus vibranium armour/shields.
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Karloff posted:WB animation are doing a Death of Superman animated movie. I hope it features the Booster Gold/Blue Beetle/Guy Gardener Justice League. Who else was in that? Fire and Ice and Bloodstorm or whatever Martian Manhunter was calling himself in that guise.
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