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Coldwar timewarp posted:I understand it as sources on the war in english are pretty weak. Its like putting rumours and ideological beliefs against a person with bias who is there. Until I get something firmer its hard not to at least reference the source. right, and then threat with the respect it deserves, as the rambling diary of a deeply unbalanced soul, nothing of which should be believed without external citation and verification. wanting to treat it as anything else is to me a sign of... well something going on there I guess
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Sergg posted:We had a few accidental drops that were supposed to go to our allies or spec ops on the ground but got carried off course by wind or whatever. Accidentally airdropping some of your supplies to the enemy is a pretty common error in wartime. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RLlwuSJGUQ
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lollontee posted:right, and then threat with the respect it deserves, as the rambling diary of a deeply unbalanced soul, nothing of which should be believed without external citation and verification. wanting to treat it as anything else is to me a sign of... well something going on there I guess It’s an English language primary source if he was where he said he was. I think you can glean useful information out of state propaganda for instance.
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CBS 60 Minutes had a good piece on the Khan Sheikhoun chemical attack last night: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-a-chemical-attack-in-syria-looks-like/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7d&linkId=48516322 The head of the OPCW-UN JIM which investigated the attack was interview, and he stated that the Sarin was from the Syrian government stockpiles, and couldn't be recreated: https://www.cbsnews.com/videos/collecting-evidence-of-a-war-crime/ This is particularly interesting as the Syrian government has denied losing control of it's CW, and Reuters recently reported the OPCW said the Sarin used in Khan Sheikhoun also matched the Sarin used in Khan al-Assal on March 19th 2013, and the August 21st 2013 Sarin attacks.
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Wez posted:You mean the one party statelet built with tacit and now explicit support from a genocidal facist regime? holy poo poo lmao
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Feb 26, 2018 11:00
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Kanine posted:holy poo poo lmao The PYD has a long record of persecuting its domestic Kurdish political opposition, they got their footing because the regime largely pulled out of Rojava to concentrate the fight against the FSA, and that little show of unity between the regime and the PYD in Afrin was disgusting.
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Volkerball posted:The PYD has a long record of persecuting its domestic Kurdish political opposition, they got their footing because the regime largely pulled out of Rojava to concentrate the fight against the FSA, and that little show of unity between the regime and the PYD in Afrin was disgusting. But the Ottoman invasion was somehow cool. I don't see the FSA fighting the Ottomans to keep their country independent. Seems more likely that their interest from the start was crushing Rojava after they were finished with the regime.
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lollontee posted:If you're ready to admit all these caveats, then perhaps you might want to ask yourself why exactly should you trust the book on this one particular subject if on anything else you're willing to admit its biases. Or ask why you would want to do that to begin with. Well, the book is very highly regarded for one thing, as was Fisk back in the day. As for why I should trust it on this subject... I don't have a reason not to? His is a first hand account that agrees with other accounts. I didn't think anything in the passage I quoted was subject to factual doubt. More generally, a source and be trustworthy and have biases at the same time. Every journalist I've come across has had a bias one way or another, I don't even believe in the concept of purely objective reporting, I think it is impossible. I prefer to read a variety of sources.
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Turkey's Erdogan in row over 'girl martyr' comment on TVquote:Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has been criticised after telling a girl in military uniform that she would be honoured if killed while fighting. Normal country.
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Volkerball posted:The PYD has a long record of persecuting its domestic Kurdish political opposition, they got their footing because the regime largely pulled out of Rojava to concentrate the fight against the FSA, and that little show of unity between the regime and the PYD in Afrin was disgusting. This is a member of the "FSA" currently fighting the YPG/SDF, the guys that love freedom and democracy; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nour_al-Din_al-Zenki_Movement And don't be a child. The regime are hardly friends of the YPG.
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OTOH YPJ actually sends 14 year old girls to fight
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Count Roland posted:More generally, a source and be trustworthy and have biases at the same time. Every journalist I've come across has had a bias one way or another, I don't even believe in the concept of purely objective reporting, I think it is impossible. I prefer to read a variety of sources. If you say so, personally what I find the most terrifying prospect is my own unconscious biases getting me to accept sources I really should not. Which is why you should care about reputation when you consider sources on subjects where you have an... well, an emotional attachment of some level. I mean, you're not exactly a fan of Iran? So maybe take that into account? eh Volkerball posted:The PYD has a long record of persecuting its domestic Kurdish political opposition, they got their footing because the regime largely pulled out of Rojava to concentrate the fight against the FSA, and that little show of unity between the regime and the PYD in Afrin was disgusting. And how long is that record? The one you surely got on hand to cite and won't need to go scouring the internet for? As for Turkish Free Army, I'm actually pretty sure it was the TFA that pulled out of attacks on the regime to focus on euphrates shield and this ongoing thing where they invade an autonomous commune that has done exactly nothing to them. Which is why you saw that unity show. Because when you're fighting against the empire, you'll welcome the devil if he came knocking. and he did
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The TFSA has never fought the regime, but that isn't the point.
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Volkerball is right (I know, surprising) about the PYD persecuting other parties - they have done so in the past.
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I mean sure, if you call banning KNC persecution. Which is idiotic but that's the only political persecution I'm aware of PYD doing.
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also the TFSA did get shot at by the regime. getting shot at is fighting, in a way
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Fighters have gone back and forth between fighting the regime and being part of the TFSA, and have certainly been supplied by Turkey in their anti-regime capacity too, so any claim that the TFSA haven't fought the regime is only true in a very very narrow sense.
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lollontee posted:I mean sure, if you call banning KNC persecution. Which is idiotic but that's the only political persecution I'm aware of PYD doing. I think they also banned some Assyrian party.
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Feb 26, 2018 16:13
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And banning political parties is a terrible and tyrannical thing to do regardless
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Feb 26, 2018 16:23
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lollontee posted:And banning political parties is a terrible and tyrannical thing to do regardless I would take "banning political parties" over "chopping children's heads off" but that's just me.
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Feb 26, 2018 16:30
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yeah i was being sarcastic there. banning political parties is ok? and we do it all the time? for the right reasons? as did PYD
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No, it pops up in the news all the time. Raiding political offices, arresting protesters, etc etc. Mainly in Qamishli. They don't have an opposition in their system, only opposition from the outside of it. It's one party rule. And I don't think running into Bashar's arms is any more noble than a bunch of rebels running into the arms of Erdogan, yet it seems like y'all have a double standard on that. Turkey has taken in millions of refugees and supported the opposition against Assad almost more than anyone. Even so, there's still anti-regime Syrians who come out and condemn the rebels who are fighting Turkey's battles instead of Syria's. What has Assad done for Kurds? Not a drat thing. And sooner or later he's gonna get around to them. And when he does, it's going to be another own goal for Kurdish ambitions in the Middle East just like what happened with Kirkuk, and everyone who tried to defend this dumb poo poo is gonna look like an rear end. You play ball with dictatorships that are stronger than you and it never ends in your favor.
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Neocon logic: Churchill suspends elections during WWII, extremely cool and logical A socialist government bans political parties during a literal existential crisis: an inexcusable crime against democracy and freedom 
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Volkerball posted:No, it pops up in the news all the time. Raiding political offices, arresting protesters, etc etc. Mainly in Qamishli. They don't have an opposition in their system, only opposition from the outside of it. It's one party rule. And I don't think running into Bashar's arms is any more noble than a bunch of rebels running into the arms of Erdogan, yet it seems like y'all have a double standard on that. Turkey has taken in millions of refugees and supported the opposition against Assad almost more than anyone. Even so, there's still anti-regime Syrians who come out and condemn the rebels who are fighting Turkey's battles instead of Syria's. What has Assad done for Kurds? Not a drat thing. And sooner or later he's gonna get around to them. And when he does, it's going to be another own goal for Kurdish ambitions in the Middle East just like what happened with Kirkuk, and everyone who tried to defend this dumb poo poo is gonna look like an rear end. You play ball with dictatorships that are stronger than you and it never ends in your favor. Turkey's plan to resettle the refugees wherever they're able to capture territory seems clearly worse for long term Kurdish interests in Afrin than a return to Assad's rule. Obviously independence is off the table at this point, so it's a pick your poison situation, and Assad has more use for both the YPG specifically and Syrian Kurds in general than a Turkey that basically supported ISIS in slaughtering them does. As for which side is more moral in a vacuum, I think Erdogan is still a better person than Assad, or at least has considerably less blood on his hands, but despite the laudable acceptance of refugees, he's been plenty cynical throughout the war too, and has done his share to provide assistance to factions harmful to the rebellion. If he'd genuinely intervened against ISIS instead of waiting to steal the YPG's victory when his tacit proxies lost to them (obviously with our help), he'd have considerably more moral high ground.
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I have a double standard about finland being allied with the literal nazis because PYD is in the exact same situation and is making the exact same choice. The right choice. They are allies with the guy running camps with literal ovens. And that's fine.
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Volkerball posted:No, it pops up in the news all the time. Raiding political offices, arresting protesters, etc etc. Mainly in Qamishli. They don't have an opposition in their system, only opposition from the outside of it. It's one party rule. And I don't think running into Bashar's arms is any more noble than a bunch of rebels running into the arms of Erdogan, yet it seems like y'all have a double standard on that. Turkey has taken in millions of refugees and supported the opposition against Assad almost more than anyone. Even so, there's still anti-regime Syrians who come out and condemn the rebels who are fighting Turkey's battles instead of Syria's. What has Assad done for Kurds? Not a drat thing. And sooner or later he's gonna get around to them. And when he does, it's going to be another own goal for Kurdish ambitions in the Middle East just like what happened with Kirkuk, and everyone who tried to defend this dumb poo poo is gonna look like an rear end. You play ball with dictatorships that are stronger than you and it never ends in your favor. Assad's Army is exhausted and his country is destroyed, I don't think "Strong" is a word I would use to describe the Syrian Regime. Again, you fail to understand the YPG's position - it's either the NDF which is nominally secular or a bunch of insane Islamists that would annihilate them at the first opportunity.
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I have been reading lately about attacks carried out by Iraqi kurdish islamists called The White Flags. Anybody got info on these guys? Ansar al-Islam holdouts?
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so that means I can be a cheapskate and post about posting instead of having some wit or spending any more on comedy avs for people. Which I'm also incapable of. Comedy.
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Volkerball posted:No, it pops up in the news all the time. Raiding political offices, arresting protesters, etc etc. Mainly in Qamishli. They don't have an opposition in their system, only opposition from the outside of it. It's one party rule. And I don't think running into Bashar's arms is any more noble than a bunch of rebels running into the arms of Erdogan, yet it seems like y'all have a double standard on that. Turkey has taken in millions of refugees and supported the opposition against Assad almost more than anyone. Even so, there's still anti-regime Syrians who come out and condemn the rebels who are fighting Turkey's battles instead of Syria's. What has Assad done for Kurds? Not a drat thing. And sooner or later he's gonna get around to them. And when he does, it's going to be another own goal for Kurdish ambitions in the Middle East just like what happened with Kirkuk, and everyone who tried to defend this dumb poo poo is gonna look like an rear end. You play ball with dictatorships that are stronger than you and it never ends in your favor. Ah, yes, the FSA troops now invading Rojava truly have the best interests at heart of socialism ad the Kurdish people.
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https://twitter.com/MSF/status/968115826678214656?ref_src=twcamp%5Ecopy%7Ctwsrc%5Eandroid%7Ctwgr%5Ecopy%7Ctwcon%5E7090%7Ctwterm%5E1 These death tolls remind me of Aleppo when barrel bombs first became a thing there.
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A Typical Goon posted:Neocon logic: Churchill suspends elections during WWII, extremely cool and logical Who the gently caress mentioned Churchill you dumbass. Also, lol, IRL neocons loving love the Kurds.
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Saudi Arabia has sacked it's military top brass in a surprise late night move, exactly the sort of thing you do when your military strategies are going according to plan: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-43205593 Heading off a putative coup attempt, or just a spur of the moment decision by MBS: who can say?
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Pistol_Pete posted:Saudi Arabia has sacked it's military top brass in a surprise late night move, exactly the sort of thing you do when your military strategies are going according to plan: MBS is way too dumb for it not to be the latter.
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Throatwarbler posted:Nusra has declared war against the Turkish backed apostates and for the YPG. Ahrar is in bed with Turkey and loving hates HTS, so I'm not sure about using them as a source.
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khwarezm posted:MBS is way too dumb for it not to be the latter. He mostly just seems to have the dictator's habit of getting "his" guys at the top. This probably would have happened sooner or later, whatever the proximate cause.
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quote:US-Saudi atomic energy agreement complicated by Iran deal https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...m=.ec1e09ad44bb yes, KSA, please try to enrich and see how that goes.
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quote:As it is now, Iran can use thousands of centrifuges and enrich uranium, albeit to levels far short of weapons-grade material. Under 123 agreements, foreign countries can buy U.S. nuclear technology and the nuclear know-how that comes with it if they agree not to enrich uranium and reprocess plutonium. Both can be used for nuclear weapons fuel. This is bullshit though. Iran has limitations on its nuclear development that no other country has. If those other countries voluntarily signed deals for American nuclear technology where they voluntarily agreed not to enrich, well, buyer beware.
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Orange Devil posted:So on the lists of "countries most likely to supply nuclear material to terrorists" and "countries most likely to gently caress up security allowing terrorists to steal nuclear material" Saudi has got to be up there, right? Probably safer than Pakistan.
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