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Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

SatansBestBuddy posted:

I just got it, oh god it took me close to five years to figure out the thread title was a loving rabbit pun

Well, you carrot hop to unsee it now.

Bofast fucked around with this message at 13:42 on Feb 28, 2018

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hyphz
Aug 5, 2003

Number 1 Nerd Tear Farmer 2022.

Keep it up, champ.

Also you're a skeleton warrior now. Kree.
Unlockable Ben
I love how while the reader is still boggling at the moon twist, the game quietly throws in that the door was never really locked.

Super Jay Mann
Nov 6, 2008

hyphz posted:

I love how while the reader is still boggling at the moon twist, the game quietly throws in that the door was never really locked.

Nah, the 9 door is definitely locked, we know this for a fact.

They just found a different door :v:

Onmi
Jul 12, 2013

If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.
I mean that's the same twist as 999 basically "We aren't on a boat and we weren't actually in any danger of drowning"

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

Kiss the Joycon to Kiss Zelda

hyphz posted:

I love how while the reader is still boggling at the moon twist, the game quietly throws in that the door was never really locked.
It was locked, just not from the outside. :v:

hyphz
Aug 5, 2003

Number 1 Nerd Tear Farmer 2022.

Keep it up, champ.

Also you're a skeleton warrior now. Kree.
Unlockable Ben
The silly thing is that by this time we know that the game’s been set up for this outcome, so just having Lagomorph pop up and say “hey well since you all lived I’ll unlock the 9 door” would be ok.

I wonder if it’s the same thing as the bracelet unlocking being deleted, because it points out that the bracelets apparently didn’t unlock in any other ending.

Fedule
Mar 27, 2010


No one left uncured.
I got you.
The reason I went to the bother of circling the one door on Floor B was to draw attention to the fact that it's always been shown there, on every map, since the beginning of the game.

That said, it's not marked as one-way, which I guess it should have been?

Nidoking
Jan 27, 2009

I fought the lava, and the lava won.

Ixjuvin posted:

There was that whole plague apocalypse thing and we are in The Future, I don't think it's unreasonable to conjecture that the earth could be pretty hosed up at this point.

Someone called this outcome in the Dio ending, in case anyone forgot. I was impressed.

Onmi
Jul 12, 2013

If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.

hyphz posted:

The silly thing is that by this time we know that the game’s been set up for this outcome, so just having Lagomorph pop up and say “hey well since you all lived I’ll unlock the 9 door” would be ok.

I wonder if it’s the same thing as the bracelet unlocking being deleted, because it points out that the bracelets apparently didn’t unlock in any other ending.

Well I mean... we're on the moon and the earth's hosed up... IS there anything else up here? Or is the Base literally the only facility up here? Because on every other route, Phi or Quark got outside and then... what? loving nothing, eventually Phi kills herself due to Rad-Six?

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

Kiss the Joycon to Kiss Zelda

Fedule posted:

The reason I went to the bother of circling the one door on Floor B was to draw attention to the fact that it's always been shown there, on every map, since the beginning of the game.

That said, it's not marked as one-way, which I guess it should have been?
They do point it out when they arrive in the Floor B warehouse also iirc. Just a remark that there's a door there also but that it's sealed/locked.

Kerning Chameleon
Apr 8, 2015

by Cyrano4747
I'm not sure what it says about me that in this game of extremely specific brain time virii, moon bases, time travel, and Clover's outfit that the pseudoscience thing that bothers me most is the "antimatter reactors". That's a complete violation of the laws of thermodynamics no matter how you try to spin it!

Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


Kerning Chameleon posted:

I'm not sure what it says about me that in this game of extremely specific brain time virii, moon bases, time travel, and Clover's outfit that the pseudoscience thing that bothers me most is the "antimatter reactors".

what about Alice's outfit

Leraika
Jun 14, 2015

Luckily, I *did* save your old avatar. Fucked around and found out indeed.

Bifauxnen posted:

what about Alice's outfit

In the far-flung future of 2028 we'll have body glue strong enough to keep that from being a walking indecency charge.

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

Kiss the Joycon to Kiss Zelda

Quark's hat is actually an anti-matter reactor.

MarquiseMindfang
Jan 6, 2013

vriska (vriska)

Fedule posted:

The reason I went to the bother of circling the one door on Floor B was to draw attention to the fact that it's always been shown there, on every map, since the beginning of the game.

That said, it's not marked as one-way, which I guess it should have been?

Depends. Presumably there'd just be an empty elevator shaft and some non-functional Call buttons. I think it's a route you can only use once the 9 door has been opened because the only way to move the lift is to be on the lift.

TheObserver
Nov 7, 2012

Kerning Chameleon posted:

I'm not sure what it says about me that in this game of extremely specific brain time virii, moon bases, time travel, and Clover's outfit that the pseudoscience thing that bothers me most is the "antimatter reactors". That's a complete violation of the laws of thermodynamics no matter how you try to spin it!

My personal headcanon is that they’re actually Mako reactors, and AVALANCHE is just operating under a different name and an even more extreme ideology.



...ok, not really. But it explains so much!

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!

The Planet's dyin', Sigma!

Materant
Jul 22, 2010

see, what you don't understand is he now has

THE MANLIEST MUSTACHE

it defies physics


ApplesandOranges posted:

Well, let's see who escaped in each ending:

Luna: Phi, Quark. Sigma only one left alive.
K: Nobody
Dio: Dio, Phi, Sigma.
Tenmyouji: Tenmyouji, Quark, Clover.
Quark: K, Dio
Clover: EVERYONE DIES
Alice: EVERYONE DIES
Sigma: Everyone except Sigma

So the Luna and Tenmyouji endings are the only ones where I could see people going back, because Dio's a factor in the others.

No one escaped in the Sigma ending, because the bombs blew up. I imagine being stopped from killing Akane is why Dio set them up in the first place.

Fedule
Mar 27, 2010


No one left uncured.
I got you.


Listen in: [English/Japanese]




I think so.


What should we do?
Are we going to dig her out?


No no, I don't think we'll have to do anything like that.




If I just...





I pulled the key off my ankle and fitted it into the hole.

I twisted it to the right until I heard something unlock.
With a quiet grinding, the grave began to shift...





VLR OST: [Portentousness]




It doesn't look like a coffin...


Yeah. It's a treatment pod.


Oh my God...


It is, isn't it...



The glass on the cover had frosted over, making it opaque.
We couldn't see who, or what, was in it.









She grabbed ahold of the lever on the side of the pod...




No good. I think it's locked.


What?




Stage two will be complete in ten minutes.
Once stage two is complete, the lock will automatically disengage.




What?


These pods can put people into cold sleep.
It uses something called CAS to freeze human bodies without destroying their cells.


So Ms. Akane's like an ice cube?


I think so.


Then we've gotta wait till she melts?


Yeah.

[Music fades out]




Specifically... Why do you know Akane?


...
...




What do you remember?


Everything.

999 OST: [Eternitybox]




A rhizome is an underground plant stem that spreads by sending out roots.
Kind of makes sense, doesn't it? This facility is a little like a rhizome.
Supposedly that's why they call these installations that.
The number comes from the facility's number.
There are fifty-four Rhizomes on the Moon, and this is the ninth one.




In any event, I grew up here with Akane and Zero Sr.
I watched them create the AB Project...


The AB Project...?


Yes. Its purpose is to send Phi and Sigma—or their consciousnesses, at least—to the past.


Back forty-five years, right?


Yes.


So you want us to change history, huh?
Go back and keep Radical-6 from getting out and stop the reactors from exploding.


That's our mission?




What do you mean?


It's true that the ultimate goal of the project is to keep Radical-6 from spreading to the general population.
But even if you do make it back, you won't be able to do much.
By now, it's already too late.


Too late?


What do you mean?


Let me begin at the beginning.




But that's not entirely correct.
They only followed the histories they'd already seen.
It was the only choice they had.
Nothing less than the future of mankind is at stake.
We need the two of you to jump through timelines while maintaining your memories.




By forcing multiple options, you could make numerous jumps.
We speculated that jumping more would strengthen your memories.




Some theories hold that the moment of insight when you solve a puzzle strengthens your connection to the fourth dimension.
That was the reason for the puzzles.




By slowing down your brains' processing speed, we can store your "potential."
With that "energy" stored up, we just had to provide a life-or-death situation to launch your consciousness into the fourth dimension...



[Music fades out]


...
...




You keep talking about Sigma and Phi...


But what about the rest of us?
Why did you bring us here?




In earlier histories, you were all here in Rhizome 9.
We needed you here to accurately replicate those histories.


...
...




In a sense, though, it is the truth. Our primary goal was to replicate history, the rest is...


...
...


...Yes, I suppose I should explain. Very well.
I will try and do so in a way you can understand.

VLR OST: [Clarification]




They were abducted forty-five years and one month ago, on December 22nd, 2028.
The location is Earth, of course. More specifically, Los Angeles, California. Correct?


Y-Yes...


Yeah...


After being kidnapped, your bodies were sent to a facility under Akane's direction.
You were placed in treatment pods and immediately put into cold sleep.
Four months later you arrived at this facility.
The date you finally arrived was April 14th, 2029.
Your trip from Earth to this facility was aboard a spaceship powered by an annihilation engine.
Following your arrival, your pods were placed in long-term storage.
Does that make sense?




Yes. In preparation for this day.


But...why? What do you need us for?


You are an esper, aren't you Clover?
I mean that you are able to access the fourth dimension. Am I wrong?


Did Akane tell you?


In a manner of speaking...
As I've already explained, the purpose of this project is to send Sigma and Phi's consciousnesses to the past.
Espers are able to sort of...resonate with one another, which can amplify their power.
You understand? This is why we brought you here, Clover.


...
...




We needed your help, Alice, to deactivate Dio's bombs.


Huh? But...I didn't do anything...


But you did. In another history.
You were able to perform a prime decomposition on the 25-digit integer that Dio left behind.
Only you could do that sort of thing.




Then we were able to question him and get the password for the number three one.
Finally, we used that information to stop the detonation in this timeline.




This history exists because of your presence.


...
...




Tenmyouji is simple: We needed you for the same reason we needed Clover.
You are able to access the fourth dimension.
Almost half a century ago, you used that ability to save a young girl, didn't you?


Yeah, I did...


We needed you to resonate with Sigma and Phi, so we brought you here.
All it took was a messenger...


"Do you want to see Akane? If you do, come with me."


I was a fool and fell for it...


...And you brought Quark with you.
In fact, you insisted that he come.


Yeah, I know.
I guess you were worried about leaving me alone, huh?
He kept saying he couldn't run off to the moon and leave me behind...


I'm sorry, Quark...
If I hadn't been so stupid and selfish, none of this would have happened to you...
I never thought this would happen... Can you ever forgive me?


Oh, don't worry about it. I mean, I agreed to come with you.


I thought the Moon would be way more interesting than boring old Earth.
What kid would turn that down?




It was on autopilot. As soon as we got in, it headed straight for the moon.
During the trip, Zero told me to keep quiet once we got there.
I don't remember anything after we landed.


Then there was a bunch of that white smoke, and we passed out.
And when I woke up, I was in the AB Room.


...
...




His real name is "Left," and he's the leader of a terrorist organization called the Myrmidons.
He was ordered to come here.
The Myrmidons are under the control of an organization called "Free the Soul," which is in turn controlled by a man known as "Brother."
It was Brother who orchestrated the release of Radical-6 into the general population forty-five years ago.




The ultimate purpose of the AB Project is to change history and keep Radical-6 from being released.
If we succeed, that would be bad for Brother and his organization.
Our success would prevent them from creating the ideal world they're working toward.
That is why Brother sent Left, his trusted lieutenant, to this facility.
They needed to stop the AB Project...
So, Dio was given two tasks.
The first was to eliminate Akane, the architect of the AB Project.
The second was to join the AB Game, and win it.
If Dio won the game, the AB Project would not be completed, at least not in that timeline.
In other words, in that world the project would have been stopped.
If things didn't go as planned, Dio was given a contingency plan.




Destroy Rhizome 9."
Hence, the bombs.


...
...




Perhaps.


How did Brother know about the AB Project?


He was also an esper.


...
...


We can set Brother aside for now, though.
May I proceed?



No one objected.
We were all curious.




Excellent.
That explains everyone, save two...






I don't believe I should reveal any more, however.
I think it would be more appropriate if you could ask Luna yourselves, at a later time.


Would that be all right with you? Luna?


Y-Yes. That's okay.




As I said before, I was born and raised here.
The rest of you were brought to this facility, but I've never left.
That makes me someone close to Zero Sr. and Akane.

[Music fades out]


Hey, I've been wondering...
Who is Zero Sr.?


You've already met him, Sigma. In another timeline...


Yeah. Well, I saw a hologram.






TP-00 unlocking...




Shall we open the pod?


Yeah, let's do it.



All of us gathered around the pod.
The glass was still covered with frost, hiding the contents.






Let's get started then.


Ready?



Phi laid her hand on the lever and looked around at us.
I swallowed.




Yeah. Any time.


All right. Here we go.
Three... Two... One...







999 OST: [Trepidation]


Wh-What...?





The warehouse of floor B... In front of the white door...
K was lying in front of me. I grabbed his mask and saw—



Why was there a man with my face underneath K's armor?
It didn't make sense...

After I'd seen him, I was injected with tubocurarine, and that was the end of that.
But...wait.
If the person in the pod was the same person I'd seen on the floor of the warehouse...



[Music fades out]

Listen in: [English/Japanese]




Didn't I tell you?
"You won't be alone."
"I will be at your side, watching over you."


No... Oh my God... You're...


Yes...
I am...



Vil
Sep 10, 2011

ApplesandOranges posted:

Well, let's see who escaped in each ending:

Luna: Phi, Quark. Sigma only one left alive.
K: Nobody
Dio: Dio, Phi, Sigma.
Tenmyouji: Tenmyouji, Quark, Clover.
Quark: K, Dio
Clover: EVERYONE DIES
Alice: EVERYONE DIES
Sigma: Everyone except Sigma

So the Luna and Tenmyouji endings are the only ones where I could see people going back, because Dio's a factor in the others.

There's also the bad endings to consider. A lot more of those are to the tune of "welp, someone else escaped, gently caress you".

fe: And update!

Bruceski
Aug 21, 2007

Live, laugh, kupo!

Shrodinger's corpse.

Super Jay Mann
Nov 6, 2008

The K is for Kanny. :stare:

A Bystander
Oct 10, 2012
During my first run and after a few hours straight of playing this game to the ending from some earlier point (I think Luna's ending after 5 others?), I knew it was coming, but I didn't want to believe it until it happened right in front of me.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!

What can you say about this moment except

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNgxyL5zEAk

Super Jay Mann
Nov 6, 2008

So evidently, if Akane is murdered by Dio then K ends up being... that guy, whatever he is. Whereas if Akane survives then K ends up being her instead.

Schrodinger would have a field day with this one.

Captain Walker
Apr 7, 2009

Mother knows best
Listen to your mother
It's a scary world out there
Quick shout out to Sigma's super chill "welp, that was the end of that" in reference to making a heroic sacrifice and dying horribly in an alternate timeline

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!

Fedule posted:


We needed your help, Alice, to deactivate Dio's bombs.


Huh? But...I didn't do anything...


But you did. In another history.
You were able to perform a prime decomposition on the 25-digit integer that Dio left behind.
Only you could do that sort of thing.

Actually, Sigma did it just fine without her help. :shrug:

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?
This is completely wrong! That Sigma doesn't have an eye patch or a goatee! How do we even know if he's evil?

Regy Rusty
Apr 26, 2010

I was wondering which reveal Fedule was gonna leave off with but I guess this makes more sense as people could've just figured it out from the first one anyway.

SimplyUnknown1
Aug 18, 2017

Cat Cat Cat

PMush Perfect posted:

This is completely wrong! That Sigma doesn't have an eye patch or a goatee! How do we even know if he's evil?

Clearly, you have misunderstood. The truth is that Akane is Zero! She merely cosplayed in a futuristic outfit, put in a fake eye, and grew a beard through sheer force of will to capture herself in a hologram all to achieve her plan!

Zakrelo
Dec 19, 2015
I wonder if there's any foreshadowing that the K on the bomb timeline is a different person than the one in the other 2 main branches? Like them acting noticeably different.

W.T. Fits
Apr 21, 2010

Ready to Poyozo Dance all over your face.

Super Jay Mann posted:

The K is for Kanny. :stare:

Or perhaps... Kurashiki.

Nidoking
Jan 27, 2009

I fought the lava, and the lava won.

Hobgoblin2099 posted:

What if the dead woman is the robot? :tinfoil:

thecluckmeme posted:

What if she's actually K, and gets swapped out and killed instead? :tinfoil:

I'm pretty sure this was meant to be a joke. youcallthatatwist actually guessed the same thing, but confused the Post and Reply buttons as so many people do, so it never made it to this thread.

Zakrelo posted:

I wonder if there's any foreshadowing that the K on the bomb timeline is a different person than the one in the other 2 main branches? Like them acting noticeably different.

Funny you should mention that, because someone else did back when it happened:

DWK posted:

I'm currently more interested in this:



Shouldn't Zero know who K is? Presumably Zero Sr. knows who he kidnapped. Or is this just because Zero knows that K has amnesia? (I've been only reading Fedule's posts until recently, forgive me if this has been discussed to death already.)

At that point in the timeline, the rabbit honestly doesn't know who's in the armor because that hasn't been decided yet. That was probably one of my favorite moments of the game when I realized what was happening, seeing it in the LP.

Also, I think someone thought K might be Seven?

Poland Spring posted:

K's also been kind of a dick, but in ways he always finds a justification for. Reminds me of a certain other tall, beefy looking fellow.

There were a lot of guesses about who K was, and that's just a few of them.

Super Jay Mann
Nov 6, 2008

W.T. Fits posted:

Or perhaps... Kurashiki.

This makes more sense, yes :doh:

Sentient Data
Aug 31, 2011

My molecule scrambler ray will disintegrate your armor with one blow!
So Quark is actually just a kidnap/death bait kid that sort of tagged along? My money was on a Brother clone

Lokesin
Apr 20, 2013

Sentient Data posted:

So Quark is actually just a kidnap/death bait kid that sort of tagged along? My money was on a Brother clone



I dunno, don't think we can actually rule that out yet! :v:

Poland Spring
Sep 11, 2005
I bet its something weird like Quark is the original Brother or has magical time travel DNA. I mean they all were there 45 years ago, maybe Quark's been on ice until jumpy here busted him loose


Also crazy idea but: sigma is actually akanes brother with bionic eyes and poo poo and also actually zero and also a clone

bawk
Mar 31, 2013

Nidoking posted:

I'm pretty sure this was meant to be a joke. youcallthatatwist actually guessed the same thing, but confused the Post and Reply buttons as so many people do, so it never made it to this thread.


Funny you should mention that, because someone else did back when it happened:


At that point in the timeline, the rabbit honestly doesn't know who's in the armor because that hasn't been decided yet. That was probably one of my favorite moments of the game when I realized what was happening, seeing it in the LP.

Also, I think someone thought K might be Seven?


There were a lot of guesses about who K was, and that's just a few of them.

I can't believe I actually got quoted on one of these. I also don't even remember typing that :stare:

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
Quark is CLEARLY a sentient antimatter reactor that was sent back in time by Brother to dispense irradiated snacks through his hat in an attempt to sabotage the AB Project. :colbert:

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OddHaberdasher
Jan 21, 2016

Super Jay Mann posted:

The K is for Kanny. :stare:

W.T. Fits posted:

Or perhaps... Kurashiki.

Or maybe also "Kappa" for the Sigma-clone?

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