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Jeb! Repetition posted:Speaking of canon, how does it work that everything made after Disney bought the franchise is all equally canon? Doesn't that mean the people writing books and video games will be dictating what can be shown in the movies? Disney's got a story group that will presumably be taking very tight control over what can and can't be shown. They've been doing this with their in-house properties for decades, so I expect that they'll be able to keep it up for quite some time. But they focus on the strength and consistency of the brand rather than on the internal integrity of the story, so I have no doubt they'll let movies do whatever they want regardless of what some comic book said.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Speaking of canon, how does it work that everything made after Disney bought the franchise is all equally canon? Doesn't that mean the people writing books and video games will be dictating what can be shown in the movies? They have a Story Group that makes makes sure everything adheres to canon, specifically the movies.
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Feb 27, 2018 08:26
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Doesn't that mean the people writing books and video games will be dictating what can be shown in the movies? Whatever else is said and done, this will never ever be the case. No-one will ever compromise their billion-dollar movie to make sure it doesn't step on the toes of a tie-in book from a decade ago.
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Feb 27, 2018 09:42
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josh04 posted:Whatever else is said and done, this will never ever be the case. No-one will ever compromise their billion-dollar movie to make sure it doesn't step on the toes of a tie-in book from a decade ago. This is exactly what I thought when they first announced said policy. I think it was primarily a move to give the new merchandise a leg up on the old stuff by making it "real" because otherwise people would have been even more adamant than they already were about wanting legends to stick around. If both canons were equally uncanon compared to the movies, then people would naturally stick with the one they're familiar with. To be fair I actually preferred the new canon immensely compared to the old EU, TLJ and related materials has really harshed that mellow though.
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Feb 27, 2018 10:46
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The whole story group thing is transparently obvious marketing-speak. It was to make SW fans think that the 'new EU' wouldn't be prone to the problems of the old EU. Given that book about the new X-Wing pilots farting all over a wedding, well...
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Feb 27, 2018 11:45
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Rebels has people flying around with helicopter lightsabers and all sorts of other nonsense. The movies are the movies and anything else that does or doesn't connect is just marketing.
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Feb 27, 2018 15:08
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feedmyleg posted:Rebels has people flying around with helicopter lightsabers and all sorts of other nonsense. The movies are the movies and anything else that does or doesn't connect is just marketing. The most recent episode reveals that Star Wars also has time travel which is something Palpatine have been seeking in between Death Star constructions and Jedi slaughter.
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Feb 27, 2018 15:12
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feedmyleg posted:Rebels has people flying around with helicopter lightsabers and all sorts of other nonsense. The movies are the movies and anything else that does or doesn't connect is just marketing. Are repulsorlift lightsabers any more "nonsense" than telekinesis or quadrupedal assault vehicles? It's all canonical
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Feb 27, 2018 16:47
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jivjov posted:Are repulsorlift lightsabers any more "nonsense" than telekinesis or quadrupedal assault vehicles? yes
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Feb 27, 2018 17:02
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The MSJ posted:The most recent episode reveals that Star Wars also has time travel which is something Palpatine have been seeking in between Death Star constructions and Jedi slaughter. What?! 
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Feb 27, 2018 18:28
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jivjov posted:Are repulsorlift lightsabers any more "nonsense" than telekinesis or quadrupedal assault vehicles? There are literal ghosts in the original trilogy, nothing is too retarded for Star Wars.
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Feb 27, 2018 18:30
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MrJacobs posted:There are literal ghosts in the original trilogy, nothing is too retarded for Star Wars. Is ableism really necessary?
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Feb 27, 2018 18:34
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jivjov posted:Is ableism really necessary? You're mentally disabled if you think it isn't.
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Feb 27, 2018 18:35
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Not this again.
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Feb 27, 2018 18:49
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AndyElusive posted:What?! There's a place that exists outside the universe where time is meaningless, and a sort of ancient pathway and portal network connects all time and space, so a force user with a deep enough connection to the force, and knowledge of where to find the doorways, could become master of the universe. It's connected to Mortis, from the Clone Wars cartoon, and the story leans heavily on the father, daughter, and son mythology and force mysticism.
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Feb 27, 2018 19:29
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The MSJ posted:The most recent episode reveals that Star Wars also has time travel which is something Palpatine have been seeking in between Death Star constructions and Jedi slaughter. *disney executive hunched over, peering intently at ANH frame by frame, eventually places his finger on a non-descript set piece in the background* "There it is, that's your time machine. Do something with it... Mr. Shyamalan."
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Feb 28, 2018 06:26
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Oh, please. Like the time machine would be anything other than the ice cream maker.
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Feb 28, 2018 06:32
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http://comicbook.com/starwars/amp/2018/02/28/star-wars-the-last-jedi-sound-effects-wilhelm-scream/?__twitter_impression=true Disney has ruined my childhood and I hate new Star Wars now
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Feb 28, 2018 15:35
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Retiring that stupid scream and giving Rian Johnson a Star War are the only two things that Disney has done right since buying Lucasfilm. e: and dumping the EU. Though they just made their own mediocre-to-terrible EU instead so I'm not sure that counts.
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Feb 28, 2018 16:41
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feedmyleg posted:e: and dumping the EU. Though they just made their own mediocre-to-terrible EU instead so I'm not sure that counts. Plus they didn't even really dump it. They're still taking from it pretty liberally and just deciding what they feel like using and what they want to ignore. Which they could've done anyway, there really was no need to "declare" anything canon or non-canon. It was a way to get all of the obsessive nerd complaints out of the way at the beginning instead of having to deal with new complaints every time they decide to "change" something. But in terms of how it effects which material ends up being used in the movies and t.v. shows, it's meaningless.
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Feb 28, 2018 16:48
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yeah blowing up the old eu accomplished pretty much nothing when they're putting out 10 books a month that add the same level of inane detail which will one day result in wookipedia 2 having another 1000 page summary of the life and times of lando calrissian
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Feb 28, 2018 16:50
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Serf posted:yeah blowing up the old eu accomplished pretty much nothing when they're putting out 10 books a month that add the same level of inane detail which will one day result in wookipedia 2 having another 1000 page summary of the life and times of lando calrissian I wouldn't say it accomplished nothing. Having to make new movies with the baggage of the old EU would have been insane. This let them clear the chess board, for the most part, and not be tied down by the old EU stories.
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Feb 28, 2018 16:55
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thrawn527 posted:I wouldn't say it accomplished nothing. Having to make new movies with the baggage of the old EU would have been insane. This let them clear the chess board, for the most part, and not be tied down by the old EU stories. There was nothing tying them down to old EU stories. They could've simply ignored those and moved ahead without ever acknowledging them. It's what they're doing now anyway, if they see something in the old EU they want to use they do it. No announcements or proclamations needed.
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Feb 28, 2018 16:58
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Here's my idea for the next Star War -- The rebels fight the evil empire and uh, maybe they make another death star or something.
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I prefer the old Eu: as terrible as it got, it almost never failed to be interesting. While the new one is mostly boring. Also I prefer the overall arc up until the end of the Yuuzhan Vong invasion, as it did have Luke try to make a new Jedi Order free of the mistakes of the old one, a New Republic that took more than a Death Star to kill and an attempt at a new villain instead of Palp 2.0. Of course, Canon is a lie and no one should care about continuity.
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MonsieurChoc posted:an attempt at a new villain instead of Palp 2.0. Hahah, what? I'm guessing you never read Dark Empire. Or Dark Empire II, or Empire's End...
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MonsieurChoc posted:I prefer the old Eu: as terrible as it got, it almost never failed to be interesting. While the new one is mostly boring. Also I prefer the overall arc up until the end of the Yuuzhan Vong invasion, as it did have Luke try to make a new Jedi Order free of the mistakes of the old one, a New Republic that took more than a Death Star to kill and an attempt at a new villain instead of Palp 2.0. They couldn't walk all of that back fast enough, though. Too different for the fans, as far as I understand it.
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Teek posted:Hahah, what? I'm guessing you never read Dark Empire. Or Dark Empire II, or Empire's End... I'm talking about the Vong there, with the NJO being the equivalent timeline-wise to the new trilogy.
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MonsieurChoc posted:I'm talking about the Vong there, with the NJO being the equivalent timeline-wise to the new trilogy. True enough, even though it turns out the main bad guy is a deformed cackling force-user manipulating everyone behind the scenes.
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Captain Splendid posted:True enough, even though it turns out the main bad guy is a deformed cackling force-user manipulating everyone behind the scenes. Who was that again? I haven’t read these books since 8th grade (but I did read all of them)
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Serf posted:yeah blowing up the old eu accomplished pretty much nothing when they're putting out 10 books a month that add the same level of inane detail which will one day result in wookipedia 2 having another 1000 page summary of the life and times of lando calrissian The Story Group Canon isn't putting out that many books. It's really about the same release density that Legends had.
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"the same release density as legends" pretty strongly implies "the same density of inane detail as legends" though i believe he was employing 'hyperbole', the greatest weapon ever created except for the third death star
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jivjov posted:http://comicbook.com/starwars/amp/2018/02/28/star-wars-the-last-jedi-sound-effects-wilhelm-scream/?__twitter_impression=true You joke but that article made me look into the sound stuff for The Last Jedi and I found this article about Ben Burtt that I somehow missed back in December and now I’m super bummed out and mad. https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/12/ben-burtt-star-wars-sound Ben Burtt’s sound design is just as important as John Williams score. How can you keep one and get rid of the other? 
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ungulateman posted:"the same release density as legends" pretty strongly implies "the same density of inane detail as legends" though hyperbole can have a strong influence on the weak minded
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Only the Sith deal in hyperbole.
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exquisite tea posted:Here's my idea for the next Star War -- The rebels fight the evil empire and uh, maybe they make another death star or something. Nah - it's going to be a universe in anarchy as the first order crumbles, but only story will be set on an abandoned dusty western themed planet where Rey has to Kill Bill her way past the Knights of Ren to confront Kylo, who has holed up in an old deserted cantina/imperial base/jedi temple waiting for her. There's a space war in the sky above, but it's only seen occasionally from ground level shots.
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Pops Mgee posted:You joke but that article made me look into the sound stuff for The Last Jedi and I found this article about Ben Burtt that I somehow missed back in December and now I’m super bummed out and mad. Thanks for sharing this, I wasn't aware of that. That last line in the article broke my heart.
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:Who was that again? I haven’t read these books since 8th grade (but I did read all of them) Onimi, the Supreme Overlord's jester, turns out to be a disgraced shaper who gave himself force powers and was manipulating everything from behind the scenes. Unlike Palpatine, who was ambitious and evil, he was motivated by saving his people from what he saw as their doom. A different kind of evil.
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Teek posted:Hahah, what? I'm guessing you never read Dark Empire. Or Dark Empire II, or Empire's End... As rubbish as Dark Empire was, I kind of wonder if the sequel trilogy should have just poached the Palpatine clone idea instead of Snoke. Like, if you're going to have a transparent stand-in for the Emperor, you may as well go all in, and it'd solve the problem of Snoke seeming to come out of nowhere. Plus, we'd have gotten more of Ian McDiarmid hamming it up, and we'd never have had to pretend that 'Snoke' was an imposing name...
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MonsieurChoc posted:Onimi, the Supreme Overlord's jester, turns out to be a disgraced shaper who gave himself force powers and was manipulating everything from behind the scenes.  the big twist is just straight-up stolen from Foundation? That's bold.In a way I like it. It's very much in line with how ANH "borrowed" heavily from Dune, Dam Busters, and Hidden Fortress in ways that often bordered on stealing. But it's also so loving lazy. feedmyleg fucked around with this message at 11:43 on Mar 1, 2018 |
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