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Digirat posted:Cool, if anyone gets a blue before 10 or an orange before 15 please post it I was getting blues in last week's beta at level 7-8 in emperor strongboxes. Last night I got my first green on the first commendation chest I opened (granted after a 3 grim 2 tome run that got me from level 1->3). So I think they eased back on the soft cap for green loot at least.
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Digirat posted:Yeah I think the new version of the strength potion/volley crossbow combo for roger has simply become "play as the lumberjack with a remington" FYI both Slayer and Shade are also able to turbodunk on bosses, it's not just the huntsman. Shade's backstab bonus with her active can lop off 1/3rd to 1-2 health of the boss in one swing. Slayer just stacks his stacking damage buff with a strength potion and leap and he'll kill a roger in like 7-8 seconds.
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Finally got my Drakefire Cannon. This game better not reset the loot again.
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I didnt like the fireball staff in the first few betas. But its really growing on me this time, that knockback it does is really useful and a charged ball can throw out a lot of damage.
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What are people doing with Kruber to get the mega crits? Is it during his stealth or something?
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fadam posted:What are people doing with Kruber to get the mega crits? Is it during his stealth or something? Huntsman stealth + I think he has a talent to increase ranged damage/headshot multipliers.
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Martout posted:yeah my pubbie experience last night was a Kruber that charged ahead and got downed over and over again, used all the healing items regardless of how much or little health he had and insisted on double grim run despite us barely managing to scrape by to begin with. I had a looooot of picked up allies by the end of it all! were we in the same game? i mean that literally - i had a kruber do the same thing and then just repeatedly insult the rest of the team over text and mic for loving up ever when they were all level 1.
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jerry seinfel posted:were we in the same game? i mean that literally - i had a kruber do the same thing and then just repeatedly insult the rest of the team over text and mic for loving up ever when they were all level 1. My "Bad Kruber" story was during the previous beta, on Against the Grain. We got past the first field and jumped down and he immediately turned around to go grab the health draught by the scarecrow and he gets ambushed by every special under the sun while we are jump spamming trying to see past the fence to shoot specials. He died and immediately quit out of the game.
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Coolguye posted:i just ran some numbers, this poo poo is definitely loving super busted. the damage numbers reported by the dummies is way beyond crits. Shade can do this poo poo without any potions. Dual Dagger heavy attacks from the rear to the back of the head.  Bonus points if you're stealthed 
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Calihan posted:Finally got my Drakefire Cannon. This game better not reset the loot again. i was excited about the flamethrower at first but i think the lack of any 'real' stagger with it kind of soured the experience
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Drakefire cannon is a little weird. My gouts of flame are a bit... briefer than I was expecting? How does the Altfire work exactly? Does holding M2 longer result in more flamethrowing?
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Ignite Memories posted:Drakefire cannon is a little weird. My gouts of flame are a bit... briefer than I was expecting? yup hold right down to charge then left click for more flamethrowing
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DeathSandwich posted:My "Bad Kruber" story was during the previous beta, on Against the Grain. We got past the first field and jumped down and he immediately turned around to go grab the health draught by the scarecrow and he gets ambushed by every special under the sun while we are jump spamming trying to see past the fence to shoot specials. He died and immediately quit out of the game. For me, it's Kerillian players. The one to get tilted because the very first wave wasn't handled flawlessly? The one that wants to get every grimoire every time regardless of how the party is fairing? The one that clings to their healing supplies like grim death while the guy next to them is on 1 hp of white health? The one that screams over voice chat because you don't know where every tome is the first time you are playing a map. In a game still in literal beta? The one that howls over every mistake someone does, (real or perceived) but will still somehow blame others for charging off 500 yards ahead only to be hook-ratted? The one that jerks off to their end-game score wilfully ignorant to the fact their character is a goddamn OP clown show with utterly ridiculous damage potential at nearly any range and health regen on top for hell knows what reason? It's the Kerillian player. Always the Kerillian player.
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Calihan posted:It's the Kerillian player. Always the Kerillian player. Kerillian much like 1, has been the problem character for me every time now as well, guy runs off and gets grabbed by this or that HALP, HALP, HALP like dude why the hell are you a mile away from all of us.
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Ignite Memories posted:Drakefire cannon is a little weird. My gouts of flame are a bit... briefer than I was expecting? Drakefire cannon has to be "charged up" by holding M2. Costs heat but caps off when fully charged at about 1/3 of the heat bar. Firing also costs heat so don't charge up/release with a near-full heat bar and expect to survive. Also be careful holding M1 as if you run out of charge, you instantly go back to your little puffs which will happily kill you at high heat. Like the pistols, the cannon can be vented with the reload key at the same cost to health at high heat. Firing the cannon without charging is a waste of time in both damage and heat cost. Charge up when a swarm is about to bear down on you, unload when they get close. Enjoy the barbecue.
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Mar 1, 2018 16:46
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Orange Drakegun with 20% less overheat lol.
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Never played VT before, how easy is it to catch up on levels? I have to work the next 7 days and my friends will be able to play pretty hard without me. Will I be so woefully behind I should just skip picking up this game?
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Calihan posted:Drakefire cannon has to be "charged up" by holding M2. Costs heat but caps off when fully charged at about 1/3 of the heat bar. Firing also costs heat so don't charge up/release with a near-full heat bar and expect to survive. Also be careful holding M1 as if you run out of charge, you instantly go back to your little puffs which will happily kill you at high heat. Like the pistols, the cannon can be vented with the reload key at the same cost to health at high heat. Haha, willie tomg was telling me yesterday how the flamethrower staff does the same drat thing if you accidentally hold M1 too long
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Stanley Pain posted:Shade can do this poo poo without any potions. Dual Dagger heavy attacks from the rear to the back of the head. While those numbers are big, the numbers reported are still much more sane than the hunter’s current insanity E: there is also the point that backstab head shots are impossible against the cats you want to burst the most (bosses) Coolguye fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Mar 1, 2018 |
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Because this game is very good and worth your time, here’s another cheap deal on the game if GMGs deal goes out. Vermintide 2 at cdkeys for $22.89 https://www.cdkeys.com/pc/games/warhammer-vermintide-2 The Cheese Traders Guild calls upon your purchase.
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Coolguye posted:While those numbers are big, the numbers reported are still much more sane than the hunter’s current insanity Kruber is the only character I didn't get a chance to muck around with. It does appear that everyone character has at least one if not 2 really good options for damage + control. I still haven't really figured out a groove for the handmaiden, but that's probably more of a play style thing. I'm hard pressed to choose between Slayer or Shade though.  SUN GOD AVATAR posted:Because this game is very good and worth your time, here’s another cheap deal on the game if GMGs deal goes out. Fatshark could've charged double for this game and it would still be worth it. I'm really glad they didn't 
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Nodelphi posted:Never played VT before, how easy is it to catch up on levels? I have to work the next 7 days and my friends will be able to play pretty hard without me. Will I be so woefully behind I should just skip picking up this game?
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Calihan posted:Drakefire cannon has to be "charged up" by holding M2. Costs heat but caps off when fully charged at about 1/3 of the heat bar. Firing also costs heat so don't charge up/release with a near-full heat bar and expect to survive. Also be careful holding M1 as if you run out of charge, you instantly go back to your little puffs which will happily kill you at high heat. Like the pistols, the cannon can be vented with the reload key at the same cost to health at high heat. Yeah, that's the trick with the Drakegun and flamethrower staff for Sienna. Never use the primary fire alone. It's a single puff that only hits once, has a deceptively narrow cone of fire, and does so little damage that two shots of it won't even kill clanrats. Charge with Mouse2 and then hold down mouse1 and you'll hose down all comers hitting them multiple times and quickly killing even the norsemen. It's a total street sweeper when charged and can hose down whole waves of chaff, but you'll have issues dealing with specials, which is something that hurts especially sienna who gives up the ability to reach out and touch gunners on command (without ammo concerns) when she uses the flamethrower staff. I think the Fireball staff is fine if a touch anemic. Conflag seems kind of bad because the fire damage over time effect seems nearly non-existant. Beam staff seems fine but carries the problems it has from the first game. Bolt staff seems like it's going to be where it's at since it has a good combination of chaff clearing ability, pretty reasonable damage overall, and a penetrating railgun charged attack for sniping specials a million miles away or behind a swarm.
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Calihan posted:For me, it's Kerillian players. I always have to force my party to take my health potions since I don't really need them with all that regen
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Yeah, if your Waywatcher is good, she makes an excellent tome+grim carrier because the regen can carry her a long ways. Ironbreaker works well for it too because of the damage reduction and the ability to soak a hit ever 20 seconds can really extend his life out. Something else I've noticed about this game is that yeah, they changed blocking to be a lot harder to block from rear hits, but they have also given you a lot more options to get +stamina in gear and talents. I've got 7 block shields as a level 5 sienna because of weapon + trinket effects. DeathSandwich fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Mar 1, 2018 |
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I think what scared me off from Vermintide 1 was I heard on the higher difficulty there was friendly fire, and I didn't realize that melee wasn't included in this
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if there was melee friendly fire then it would be entirely unplayable. the friendly fire that does exist is entirely manageable and just depends on your teammates not being dumb as hell, which of course means that the elf is going to nock a quiver's worth of arrows into your spine
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DeathSandwich posted:Yeah, that's the trick with the Drakegun and flamethrower staff for Sienna. Never use the primary fire alone. It's a single puff that only hits once, has a deceptively narrow cone of fire, and does so little damage that two shots of it won't even kill clanrats. Charge with Mouse2 and then hold down mouse1 and you'll hose down all comers hitting them multiple times and quickly killing even the norsemen. I really like the Flamestorm staff but unless I'm playing with someone I know is running Bardin with a Pick and a good sniper or similar I don't use it because I'll need to do more than casually torch swarms. Flamestorm staff is for when I'm having a beer and playing with reliable people, basically. e: finally had a classic Kerillian in my group, everyone is on grey health after fighting a troll in the wine cellar (fun fun fun) and the idiot insists on taking the second grim. I just don't understand the compulsion to always go full grims with no regard to how we're doing. Oh two people downed before first grim on Grain without anything special even having happened? gently caress it, not doing double grims is for noobs! Martout fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Mar 1, 2018 |
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the swing speed on the dwarven pick is entirely awful and i'm not sure why i would use this over something like the 2-handed axe or hammer
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Johnny Joestar posted:if there was melee friendly fire then it would be entirely unplayable. the friendly fire that does exist is entirely manageable and just depends on your teammates not being dumb as hell, which of course means that the elf is going to nock a quiver's worth of arrows into your spine Even in Nightmare on Vermintide 1 (which I would consider the hardest 'balanced' difficulty before the game became cheap bullshit) the friendly fire was never as savage as Left 4 Dead. It only became a problem with bombs and if the wizard was constantly dumping all of her heat bar into the back of your head. Edit: ^^^^^ It's really not though? The pick just transposes the warhammer/greataxe charge attack to the uncharged (so you swipe from side to side faster) while having a second level of charged attack that does frankly obnoxious damage. The pick is literally the only weapon in the game that does that. Aside from doing the supercharge attack on the pick, you only have to charge long enough for you to cock your weapon back to do most charge attacks for full damage. Supercharged pick not withstanding, it's really quite comparable to Kruber's Executioner sword or the Elf's greatsword. DeathSandwich fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Mar 1, 2018 |
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They should just keep the friendly fire out of the game outside of barrels and bombs. Weapons show what they do now on the bottom of their tooltip, so you can make sure your using a weapon that you want it to do instead of having to read some steam guide to tell you how the weapons work.
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Nodelphi posted:Never played VT before, how easy is it to catch up on levels? I have to work the next 7 days and my friends will be able to play pretty hard without me. Will I be so woefully behind I should just skip picking up this game? They put a shitton of your capabilities as a player behind what is basically light level from Destiny, as well as other features such as bonuses you get from leveling up and extra stats from higher rarity weapons. If your friends really go all in on this game then they are going to be way more powerful than you. However as long as they aren’t weird and demand that they only play on higher difficulties by that point, what you can do as a brand new player will still be balanced for normal difficulty and playing with them will also level you up pretty quickly since they’ll be killing their way through levels a lot faster than if every player was level 1. If you’re ok with being a lot weaker than them for awhile, it’s still a really good-feeling action game and a safe recommendation in general for that alone
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folks we're gonna need a bigger toilet to swirlie all these nerds In related news, hey did you know the flaming sword punches people alight? That's the charged attack. You punch a dude so hard everyone adjacent bursts into flame. That should really be a tooltip, imo. Still absolutely no idea the best place to use ceremonial dagger.
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Johnny Joestar posted:the swing speed on the dwarven pick is entirely awful and i'm not sure why i would use this over something like the 2-handed axe or hammer I hate it too, never been able to use it. The forced steps forward when you charge your attack make THAT really awkward to use too theoretically you're giving up some of the axe's skirmishing agility for a stronger charged attack - in practice i'd rather just have the faster swing speed so i can bop 'em on the head more often Ignite Memories fucked around with this message at 17:45 on Mar 1, 2018 |
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Willie Tomg posted:folks we're gonna need a bigger toilet to swirlie all these nerds The flaming sword still sucks. The charged attack takes ages to come out compared to the regular sword because of the stupid flourishes and doesn't really do any better appreciable damage considering the fire damage over time effect does so little damage as to be basically non-existent. The non-flaming sword and the scepter are still her best weapons by a country mile. Aside from that, someone dig up that mission results jpeg that had Sienna with more kills than everyone else combined because of that heat vent on crits effect wombo-combo with the bolt staff.
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Johnny Joestar posted:if there was melee friendly fire then it would be entirely unplayable. the friendly fire that does exist is entirely manageable and just depends on your teammates not being dumb as hell, which of course means that the elf is going to nock a quiver's worth of arrows into your spine Yeah the only things you really needed to worry about were bombs, then Sienna in general and hagbane elf, because their DoTs ravaged your aim until they wore off.
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Friendly fire is an anti-fun mechanic and the best trinket change they made when they rebalanced all of them was to make the engineer’s tools remove FF from bombs. Holy poo poo bombs are fun and total run-savers with no FF I wish FF was gone in 2 because it made me just eventually stop using every staff except the bolt staff, and I feel like something similar may happen here
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Johnny Joestar posted:if there was melee friendly fire then it would be entirely unplayable. the friendly fire that does exist is entirely manageable and just depends on your teammates not being dumb as hell, which of course means that the elf is going to nock a quiver's worth of arrows into your spine To see how hilariously broken friendly fire in a co-op game can get check out SpaceHulk: Deathwing. *Smashes Thunder Hammer into a Brood Lord* *Entire Team of Terminators Dies*
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Stanley Pain posted:To see how hilariously broken friendly fire in a co-op game can get check out SpaceHulk: Deathwing. Did they ever make that game non-lovely or did the developers give up on it?
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