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Solumin
Jan 11, 2013

Oxxidation posted:

You only learn of a character's crimes after hanging around them for a bit and unlocking a few unique scenes. We haven't really gotten the full details on anyone yet.

Which is why sending someone out so early sucks! We'll never really get all the details on Jodariel's life and crimes.

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Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

vdate posted:

Holy gently caress, that was intense. I got chills down my spine as the vocals started, and they didn't go away until the end of the video.

Godspeed, indeed.

yeah, i've never been this emotionally involved in Wizard Basketball before Pyre

YggiDee
Sep 12, 2007

WASP CREW
Who knew that a crossover between Space Jam and the Divine Comedy would have so much traction?

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Really Pants posted:

Meanwhile back in the Commonwealth, construction begins apace on the Pamitha Is A Ho Municipal Gardens.

complete with a very slutty harp statue that is, to Jodi's delight, extremely popular with the proles

EagerSleeper
Feb 3, 2010

by R. Guyovich
Turn up, thread, turn up. :barf:

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

EagerSleeper posted:

Turn up, thread, turn up. :barf:

only one of us can improve our posting at a time, unfortunately

Tenebrais
Sep 2, 2011

Maple Leaf, would it be okay for those of us who know to talk about the Jodariel scenes we now don't get to see? Especially the details of the crime that saw her throne down.

Maple Leaf
Aug 24, 2010

Let'en my post flyen true
You know, I thought about maybe posting those myself, but I decided against it and I'd rather nobody else do it either. Pyre is about dealing with the consequences of your decisions - winning or losing any Rite will have an effect throughout the rest of the story; our decision to liberate Jodariel was simultaneously a decision to not liberate Hedwyn or Mae, and we implicitly agreed that removing Jodariel from the game in her current state was something we were all okay with. Posting Jodariel's history and details when we haven't "earned" them goes against the message and mechanics Pyre is trying to convey to us, I think.

There's nothing stopping anybody from looking up those details themselves (or playing through the game themselves!), of course, but then, that would also be taking out the "us" part in "let us play Pyre."

Maple Leaf fucked around with this message at 13:19 on Mar 2, 2018

Omobono
Feb 19, 2013

That's it! No more hiding in tomato crates! It's time to show that idiota Germany how a real nation fights!

For pasta~! CHARGE!

I have to agree here.
Part of what makes the anointment choice amazing is that the available choices are your most used characters, so presumably the one you're most interested/emotionally invested in (generic you, not you you).

I voted Jodariel because I liked her and thus I wanted her to go free first. Not having more opportunities to hang with her is part and parcel of the price we, the players, pay for our choice.


By the way, did Jodariel remember to unequip her equipped trinket?


E: there's a couple things I don't get. The Nightwings are the designated final boss of every Pyreball Jam season; whomever wins the final match gets to go free and the N are always one of the two finalists, to the point that when something happened to our predecessors the Pyreball Jam season ground to an halt until somebody assumed the name.
Why do the Nightwings get to send somebody out? They have a frankly unfair advantage.
Related: why can we pretend to be the Nightwings without anyone in a position of authority call us on it? Why is Tariq going along with this?

Just a couple questions, I'm assuming the answers are spoilers so I just wanted to put them out there.

Omobono fucked around with this message at 14:34 on Mar 2, 2018

Tenebrais
Sep 2, 2011

Omobono posted:

E: there's a couple things I don't get. The Nightwings are the designated final boss of every Pyreball Jam season; whomever wins the final match gets to go free and the N are always one of the two finalists, to the point that when something happened to our predecessors the Pyreball Jam season ground to an halt until somebody assumed the name.
Why do the Nightwings get to send somebody out? They have a frankly unfair advantage.
Related: why can we pretend to be the Nightwings without anyone in a position of authority call us on it? Why is Tariq going along with this?

Just a couple questions, I'm assuming the answers are spoilers so I just wanted to put them out there.

Honestly, I think the whole reason the Nightwings are set up as the always-present boss fight is purely an accession to gameplay. If you had to earn your way to the Liberation rite like all the NPC triumvirates do you'd need a lot more regular rites between them than we get to be able to reliably go to every one, and it'd slow the pacing of the game way down.

In-universe, it really poses the question of why anyone joins the other triumvirates, which only take part in one-eighth of the liberation rites, when you could just be part of the Nightwings. It would have made more sense for the Beyonders to take on the 'final boss' role since they're bound to the rites indefinitely, can't go free, and should therefore get a lot more experience in them and make suitable final bosses than just whichever bunch of refugees Tariq managed to scrape together.


As for why we get to claim to be the Nightwings now, Celeste mentioned that Volfred was part of the team before they disbanded, so there's continuity there. I'd imagine that, in a dire circumstance where the entire triumvirate died in a freak caravan accident, it would be on Tariq to reform them.

placid saviour
Apr 6, 2009
I was too late to vote. You took Jodariel, you monsters! :argh:

I would've liked to know more about her. If it were up to me, the original trio would leave last. Mae should've gone in Jodi' s stead.

Omobono
Feb 19, 2013

That's it! No more hiding in tomato crates! It's time to show that idiota Germany how a real nation fights!

For pasta~! CHARGE!

Tenebrais posted:

As for why we get to claim to be the Nightwings now, Celeste mentioned that Volfred was part of the team before they disbanded, so there's continuity there. I'd imagine that, in a dire circumstance where the entire triumvirate died in a freak caravan accident, it would be on Tariq to reform them.

Oh, I had forgot this. Technically we're legit then, since as the only surviving member Sandalwood had the right to invite other people to the team.
I still find strange that the designated heel team gets to send somebody upstairs if they win.

vdate
Oct 25, 2010

Omobono posted:

Oh, I had forgot this. Technically we're legit then, since as the only surviving member Sandalwood had the right to invite other people to the team.
I still find strange that the designated heel team gets to send somebody upstairs if they win.

I'm guessing there'd be very little reason for anybody to play for the designated endbosses otherwise. But you're right in that it's a strange case either way; it does appear to largely be a gameplay concession at the moment. The only cost to being a Nightwing appears to be that everybody either hates you or wants to use you to ensure their own freedom; so far the only team leader who's been unambiguously and unaffectedly friendly to us is Dalbert, and that probably at least has something to do with his reverence for the Scribes and their Rites.

Olive Branch
May 26, 2010

There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.

VWe could have learned Hedwyn's story if we asked him point-blank some updates back but Maple did say it sounded a bit direct, which our character isn't quite like. Otherwise we learn more about our fellow exiles over time. I don't know if it's random to learn about them or whether it's tied to their Enlightenment level (so the people you use more are the ones you learn more about first).

Tenebrais
Sep 2, 2011

Olive Branch posted:

VWe could have learned Hedwyn's story if we asked him point-blank some updates back but Maple did say it sounded a bit direct, which our character isn't quite like. Otherwise we learn more about our fellow exiles over time. I don't know if it's random to learn about them or whether it's tied to their Enlightenment level (so the people you use more are the ones you learn more about first).

I think it comes down to the number of times you've spoken to them in the wagon, which can be influenced by picking their suggested options when we reach crossroads.

Octatonic
Sep 7, 2010

Jodariel's "Me... Why?" though.

Octatonic fucked around with this message at 23:53 on Mar 3, 2018

vdate
Oct 25, 2010

Octatonic posted:

Jodariel's "Me... Why?" though.

It does rather say a lot, doesn't it?

EagerSleeper
Feb 3, 2010

by R. Guyovich
I'd feel really bad if it turns out that Jodariel's response is different if you hadn't had that scene with Pamitha.

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
I think the reason everyone isn't lining up to join the Nightwings is the one thing we've never seen on the other teams.

None of them have Readers. There are probably things the Nightwings have to observe in these Rites that other teams don't, and without a Reader backing you, you can't be the Nightwings.

EagerSleeper
Feb 3, 2010

by R. Guyovich
I'm so tempted to look up fan art of this great game, but I'm afraid of spoilers.

Maple Leaf
Aug 24, 2010

Let'en my post flyen true
: Music: Time Passes



: That must be a sombre and awkward conversation. Jodariel has left the Downside forever and the next time we see her won’t be for quite a while yet, if ever. So… now what?

: I don’t know what I’m going to do without her here.

: Don’t go getting all mopey on us now, Hedwyn. Jodariel didn’t raise you in the Downside for the past however many years just for you to come out co-dependent.

: Well look on the bright side…! It’s one less mouth to feed.

: As opposed to the bright side that is ‘Jodariel escaped this unforgiving hell forever’? These guys are acting like she’s dead. She had given up on gaining her freedom for long enough to grow an impressive set of horns; you’d think these guys would be ecstatic that freedom from the Downside is possible and that one of their own just made it real.

: We’ll see Jodariel again if we persevere. Our journey’s now begun in earnest. We’ll just need to make a few last preparations, while we’re here.

: What about the stars? Can we afford the time?

: About that… Reader, go see for yourself.





: Hmm.



: Looks like a pretty typical country night.

: Actually, that gives me a thought. Where is the Downside, and where is the Commonwealth in relation to the Downside? When we liberated Jodariel, she went flying straight up. If we can see the starts, then we aren’t underground, far as I’m aware, not unless Pyre is pulling some Kenneth Oppel Firewing poo poo.



: All the stars that were previously illuminated as they showed us the way towards the Fall of Soliam are currently… uh, not shining. At least, not as illustriously as they were before. Maybe Pyre is also trying to warn us of the side effects of light pollution? It gets pretty lame when it’s night time and you can’t see the stars very well.



: The stars revealed nothing, did they not?

: You confirm his suspicions.

: It’s as the book foretells. This is the chance we need to make ready for what lies ahead.

: There’s a haven south of here we’ll travel to at dawn. And, when the stars decide to shine for us again… we’ll be ready. Mark my words.



: I’m gonna guess it’s Hedwyn. As much as I think that we should be holding a party in Jodariel’s honour, the fact that she’s removed from Hedwyn’s life after they had spent so much time together has nonetheless got to sting. Even though it’s ‘see you later’ and not ‘goodbye,’ there’s still a Jodariel-sized hole in his heart that he won’t be able to fill for some time.



: Nailed it. Also, I should probably give Sandra a visit.



: Someone in the thread asked in Jodariel had the sense to remove her Talisman before she was sent to the Commonwealth. The answer is yes: all liberators(?) remove their equipment before they get sent up.

: That said… Soliam’s Horn is right there. It’s worth a good 80 Sol, which can go quite a distance, and only Jodariel can equip it, so it’s useless for everyone else. The only reason we’d want to hold onto it at this point is for its sentimental value.

: I won’t call this a vote, but, what do you think? Should we sell off our unique Talismans when their sole user gets liberated? Or would it be crass to sell the only thing (aside from the throw rug) we have to remember her by? Personally, I think Jodariel would appreciate knowing that she was still helpful to us after she had left.



: He looks up at you, but his familiar smile is nowhere to be found.

: :smith:

: I’m sorry, my friend, I should be in a much, much better mood right now, it’s just…



: Then, he shakes his head.

: Listen to me, I’m talking like she’s….

: He falls silent again. You can tell he needs some time to himself right now, and turn to leave.

: Wait, hold on, don’t leave me here just yet.

: First of all, my friend… thank you. I don’t like to think of it in quite these terms, but… out of all of us, I really hoped she’d manage to get out of here. She’s been here the longest… not to mention, I’d probably be dead ten times over by now if not for her. What’s more, maybe other than Volfred himself, I have a feeling she’s really going to make an impact on this Plan of ours, back on the other side.

: Just the same, though…



: You and Hedwyn share some memories of Jodariel for a time, though it grows clear to you that he needs some time alone.

: …Thanks again, my friend. I hope that one day all of us can meet again. Jodi, she’d be happy on that day, I bet.

: It is very late now. You part ways, after bidding each other a good evening.

: He’s a big boy; I’m sure he’ll move on. Like I said, Jodariel didn’t save a mouse; she saved a man.

: With Hedwyn’s head cleared, if only a little, let’s give Sandra a visit. Surely she’ll have happy memories of Mount Alodiel.



: Tell me what you know about mountains.

: This place… where you currently reside, it must be Mount Alodiel, is it not? This was where those blasted Scribes decided what to do with me. I had already failed in my mission to eliminate the demon Soliam Murr. I did not anticipate his retinue, you see.

: They took me and some of my Beyonders alive, although, do not expect to see account of that in their good Book. Whether it was for mercy or for spite, I never became certain.

: They probably presumed that my expulsion for eternity would eventually have taught me some respect for them, but no, not yet. Not yet.

: Well… I do not mean that, really. The Scribes did spare my life. And were it not for that, I would never have been thusly trapped, to then enjoy your company, O lovely Reader.

: Now, having met my quota of blaspheming for the time, I think it best that we resume the normal sort of business between us, if there is any to speak of.

: And… good hunting at the precipice. May you soon rid the Downside of some useless idiot.

: I… can’t get a read on Sandra. She says she’s really enjoying our company, but, like most positive things she says, it’s entirely possible she’s being sarcastic. There’s no way she appreciates being imprisoned for 837 years just for the opportunity to meet us, but then, what would she have to gain to string us along like that?

: Well, whatever the case, I’m sure we’ll learn a bit more about Sandra in due time.




: Now then, Volfred. Where is it we go from here?

: Good morning, my boy. The place I noted earlier… let me illuminate the way.



: That was a bit more literal than I meant, but, sure.



Gfy

: Volfred leads all of you into a calm and quiet clearing, tucked away inside one of the mountain’s hidden folds. All about, you see a variety of strange items and equipment.



: Looks like we got a well, some flowers… what looks like party balloons…?



: You find Volfred, seemingly lost in thought, but then he turns to you.

: Greetings, Reader. This wagon and I, we’ve many memories together, and I could not help reliving some of them just now.

: I suppose some aspects of my past may be of relevance to you, given your role.

: If there is something that you wish to know, you need but ask.



: Wow, a rare opportunity to really talk with one of our companions and learn more about them. The last time we had the freedom to ask a buddy to open up like this was with Hedwyn.

: However, also like with Hedwyn, it’s possible that we only get to choose one of these options, and the others will either be lost to the ether or will come up much later. With that in mind, I would think that the most pressing, relevant matter to us would be why the Nightwings disbanded. Everything else is pretty juicy stuff, but the old Nightwings are the most important, I think.



: You express interest in knowing more of how the Nightwings came to be here, and Volfred’s past connection to the group.

: I have been connected to the Nightwings almost since the beginning of my days in exile. They found me, in a manner as I understand quite like how Hedwyn and the others found you.





: Once in a while, we let little Ti’zo stand with us as well. He is rather older than he looks.

: The other triumvirates we stood against… they feared us. Only the Tempers presented any threat to us, in any given Rite.

: But…



: He fell from Mount Alodiel…. We lost him, as well. On the night when he was to be free.

: We were… reckless… hasty. And, I was powerless to stop any of it. I blamed the Rites themselves. The circumstances that put us into danger. The Downside has claimed many lives, yet this, it was too much…. I vowed never again to don the mask and raiments.

: I had the blackwagon cleared and buried, such that it could not be used again. If the Nightwings would rise again… it would be under different circumstances, under new leadership, and towards a different purpose.

: That is all I wish to say of this, my boy.

: drat, I don’t blame you. Oralech fell off a mountain on the night that he was to be anointed. Hell, even, Volfred said that no triumvirate could stand against them except the Tempers on a bad day – his freedom was nearly guaranteed, and instead, two people died.

: I can’t fault Volfred for not wanting to talk about the old Nightwings anymore, but, that said, there’s still something that he neglected to mention: what was Tariq’s role with the old Nightwings? He said himself that he travelled with Volfred back in the day.



: You ask Volfred about his history with The Lone Minstrel, whom he seems to know quite well.

: Tariq was there with the Nightwings when they took me on. His manner has always been much as how you’ve seen.

: Dude should get some sunlight.

: Although, he is somewhat more cheerful now than I recall back then, if you can believe that. I think our Plan has sparked a little fire in him.

: He serves the Rites, and the Nightwings. I have tried to ask him of his past before, but he seems rather reluctant to speak of it.

: Though, it is plain that he’s not from around here.

: This being the Downside, I respect his wishes for some privacy. Nonetheless, although I do not know too much of him, I count him as a friend.



: It’s been good to see him doing relatively well… anyway, was there anything else you wished to talk about, for now?

: Man, that didn’t really tell us much at all. All we learned was that Tariq used to not be such a life of the party. Maybe asking Volfred about himself will get us some more exciting results.



: You ask Volfred about his past in the Commonwealth, and how it is he came to be in the Downside.

: How rather forward of you, my boy. Most whom I have met during my travels here have been reluctant to approach the subject of one’s history before one’s exile.

: Nonetheless, I am happy to tell you.

: Well, since you have the same mark on your forehead as I have on my back, something tells me you and I aren’t so terribly different.

: As a Reader, I assume you are familiar with the Stamping-Press. I owned and operated one.

: Yeah, okay. To be honest I’m surprised they put you in the Downside for encouraging others to read, and that you weren’t burned at the stake or something. You’re made of wood, it would have been real easy.



: Under pseudonym, of course.

: Still, I knew I was putting myself at risk, and sure enough, my Stamping-Press was eventually discovered, and burned to the ground. I, however, managed to elude capture for a while.

: But not for long enough…. Here, in the Downside, I chanced upon the Nightwings, who were searching for a Reader. In that respect, my past, I think, is similar to yours.

: Anyway, that is the long and the short of it. Now then, was there anything else?

: It’s pretty wild that Volfred wasn’t just a librarian, when that itself was dangerous enough – he was a publisher. It’s surprising to me that the Commonwealth would consider his crimes equal to mine, or to anyone else’s. But, I suppose, casting people to the Downside is just as deadly as the chair or something, but more ‘humane.’



: You thank Volfred for his time, and bid him a good rest of the afternoon.

: Likewise to you, Reader. Be well.



: Nothing else to do here, I suppose, so… let the thumb-twiddling commence.

: Everyone… the amenities are modest here at Moonlight Alcove, but I suggest that you get comfortable. We may be here for some time.

: As for myself… I have some business to attend to. Please leave the wagon in my care, for now. It shall be ready by when you need it next.

: Don’t we… don’t we sleep in that?




Then, you shall have another opportunity to free one of your own.

You may earn back their freedom, one by one.



: May I have a moment, Reader…?



: In the ‘many moons’ since Volfred took our wagon and left, our character had kept busy by reading the Book and keeping up with the Rites and the Scribes. What this results in is a whole shitload of pages being unlocked, all at once, and it isn’t even the whole book yet! I won’t dump them all immediately, but I’ll be sure to at least include a page or two at every stop, until we work through everything the book’s given to us up to this point.

: Begging your pardon, but, there is something you may wish to see. Please, follow me.

: You follow him into the cold night.

: Look forth, Reader sir.

: The stars shine like you have never seen. Once more the path toward salvation is revealed, but now, something is different…






: Each prior time you searched the stars, they showed to you a single path. But now, several Rites avail themselves to you at once.




: Well. It’s not going to be hard to know when we aren’t welcome back at Mount Alodiel at least.





: We’ve explored every biome that the Downside has to offer, and we’ve done righteous battle in the Sportsball courts with every triumvirate. From this point forward, we may choose which biome to go to and which triumvirate to play against – of the options given to us, of course.

: And like a lot of things in this Let’s Play so far, I’m going to give the choice to which location we visit, and therefore which triumvirate to play against, to you.

: Do we play against Lendel and The Accusers in the Nest of Triesta? Do we play against Sir Deluge and the Pyrehearts in the Pit of Milithe? Or do we play against Dalbert and the Fate in the Ridge of Gol?

: First to five votes gets us going in that direction! We’ll save the vote for who we bring into the ensuing Rite for a later update.

Maple Leaf fucked around with this message at 09:43 on Mar 7, 2018

Maple Leaf
Aug 24, 2010

Let'en my post flyen true
Just as an aside, I apologize for the sudden gap in updates! I work out of the home, and there's been a bit of a crunch lately that's been taking my attention. I know I was on a pretty good pace up until now, and I'll try and keep updates a little more punctual going forward.

Xarn
Jun 26, 2015
Pyrehearts

I want to know who replaced sir gilman.

Olive Branch
May 26, 2010

There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.

I wonder what Lendel and the Accusers would say if they knew we had the old Nightwings crew on our team? Didn't he complain that the Nightwings prevented him from being Liberated? I say we go and say "hi" and reignite old grudges. Feed him to the pyre, as it were.

EDIT: Sell the trinkets. You may appreciate sentimentality but not at the cost of our dudes not getting freed.

Olive Branch fucked around with this message at 06:27 on Mar 8, 2018

Airspace
Nov 5, 2010
The Accusers

They were super rude in the first Rite the Reader engaged in, so smack them for their insolence.

Octatonic
Sep 7, 2010

Let's check out the nest of triesta nothing like starting the new season by beating up on the first team we met!

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

Royalty is a continuous cutting motion


The Accusers have the best music.

Odysseus S. Grant
Oct 12, 2011

Cats is the oldest and strongest emotion
of mankind
Voting for The Accusers, mainly because we won't have to fight them in the godawful swamp.

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


Accusers. Also I approve of selling the character-exclusive talismans.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

Xarn posted:

Pyrehearts

I want to know who replaced sir gilman.

In an astonishing feat of knightly dexterity, Gilman actually plays on both teams. Simultaneously.

Sparda219
Nov 21, 2007

Just as some things can be right and useless at the same time, can't something be wrong and priceless?
Let's go meet the Accusers and hand Lendel the Liar his rear end. Also I approve of selling character-specific talismans. We have much more personal items in the blackwagon to remember our liberated by!

Kaubocks
Apr 13, 2011

I never sold my character-specific talismans unless I was really hurting for cash, even after they left. I dunno, it just felt wrong.

Guess I'll go against the flow and vote Pyrehearts for the next match which I don't think it matters since I think the Accusers already won.

Tenebrais
Sep 2, 2011

wiegieman posted:

The Accusers have the best music.

This is blasphemy against the Pyrehearts, but by my count the Accusers have won the vote anyway.


I wonder if Hedwyn will go into more detail about his relationship with Jodariel. I liberated him first in my game so all of his dialogue now is new to me.

Slaan
Mar 16, 2009



ASHERAH DEMANDS I FEAST, I VOTE FOR A FEAST OF FLESH
Does nobody else like The Fate? They seem like nice fellows

And yes, Sell the Items. We can't find them on the other side if we lose from want of cash

Krumbsthumbs
Oct 23, 2010

2nd Place.
1st Loser.
The Accusers

A bunch of these teams seem to have someone on the main team who they hate or have history with. When we met the Accusers, we didn't get that connection. Maybe that person is on our team now?

Also, sell the items. This should cut down on your money problems enough to free up time for reading the book for passive buffs.

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
Whoa. Best back off, man, we got a fuckin' author here.

Hunt11
Jul 24, 2013

Grimey Drawer

Krumbsthumbs posted:

The Accusers

A bunch of these teams seem to have someone on the main team who they hate or have history with. When we met the Accusers, we didn't get that connection. Maybe that person is on our team now?

Also, sell the items. This should cut down on your money problems enough to free up time for reading the book for passive buffs.

The Accusers do seem to have history with the Nightwings as a whole judging by the enmity that their leader has for them.

Buller
Nov 6, 2010
These slow updates make me wanna buy the game but I aint even have a controller.

vdate
Oct 25, 2010
That's alright, I've been playing without one!

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FishOnAPiano
Oct 9, 2012

Buller posted:

These slow updates make me wanna buy the game but I aint even have a controller.

I played through with a laptop trackpad, but I might also have a higher tolerance for mouse controls than some people.

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