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Punching nazis and attacking their rallies was extremely effective imo. It sent them into a year-long tailspin screaming "ANTIFA" at everything and everyone and declaring it a terrorist organization and so on. Think about how much energy these chuds wasted trying to discredit the antifa "brand" that could have been devoted to assaulting minorities
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Stickarts posted:Chillyrabbit you're falling into the paradox of tolerance. And repetition hasn't made it less of a slippery-slope fallacy. Typo posted:Brandenburg v Ohio is a good ruling  Thank goodness most of the nonsense espoused in this thread has no chance of ever having any legal force behind it. tagesschau fucked around with this message at 00:15 on Mar 3, 2018 |
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Stickarts posted:Is tagesschau feeling ~~minoritised~~? That went quickly to  Never seen that before but I guess I have to disagree about the idea (feels like a slippery slope fallacy, but just having a fallacy doesn't make it a stupid idea) but I'll appease everyone else by not saying anything more. infernal machines posted:That's Richard Spencer, you can look up his name and judge for yourself. Yeah when I googled him earlier one of the questions that came up on google was is he a white nationalist or a white supremacist, which are different apparently? But thanks for everyone chiming in and discussing. I'm still undecided about the no-platforming but I can understand why you think its okay. Chillyrabbit fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Mar 3, 2018 |
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Deplatforming Nazis has also been very effective, where it's been done. By cutting them off from the mainstream, they're forced to only interact with each other and they can't stand each other so infighting quickly ensues. Normal people's curiosity and desire to try and convince them they're wrong gives them energy and momentum Also why am I not surprised that the Reddit defender is also a Nazi speech defender Juul-Whip fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Mar 3, 2018 |
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THC posted:Also why am I not surprised that the Reddit defender is also a Nazi speech defender Who in this thread is doing the latter?
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tagesschau posted:Who in this thread is doing the latter? It's you, you've defended both these things today, you utter imbecile.
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PT6A posted:It's you, you've defended both these things today, you utter imbecile. I've debunked the claim that every thread on Reddit necessarily devolves into bigotry. Please point out where I've specifically defended Nazi speech. And when you fail to do that, try to learn to read.
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Kenney's common-sense plan for opioids: cancel harm reduction efforts, increase enforcement https://twitter.com/jkenney/status/969653419009912832
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Chillyrabbit posted:That went quickly to There's lot of distinctions without a difference in the "alt-right" crowd, basically used to say "well I'm not an <x>, therefore your argument doesn't apply to me" and then go on to espouse some variety of racial or ethnic hatred. Words and labels are important but a lot of it comes down to trying to legitimize extremist views by not being a literal Nazi, just co-opting enough of their rhetoric or ideology as to make no difference.
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flakeloaf posted:If you're standing around doing nothing while someone else is spreading a hateful message, I might wonder what's in your head. I didn't mean to say that it is or isn't wise or ethical to shut down certain types of speech, just that that's the debate to be having in this case. If someone wants to make the case that people shouldn't try to stop Peterson from talking, it requires an argument other than "but his free speech rights", because it has nothing to do with his rights. Personally I think these issues are pretty interesting and there aren't a lot of easy lines to be drawn, but I'm totally fine with people protesting or shouting down a worthless rear end in a top hat like Peterson because I think his views are repulsive and harmful. He has (and should have) the legal right to express his views, but the rest of us have the right to tell him to gently caress off.
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tagesschau posted:I've debunked the claim that every thread on Reddit necessarily devolves into bigotry. Please point out where I've specifically defended Nazi speech. And when you fail to do that, try to learn to read. Yes, hence you "defended" Reddit. I'm not particularly concerned about the particulars of that defence, because the truth is that it's a hellhole populated by libertarians, pedophiles and libertarian pedophiles. The merits of any specific argument that occurs there are unimportant. You've defended JBP's speech, and he is basically a Nazi, ergo you have defended Nazi speech. Learn you a logic, or just gently caress off out of this thread since it's clear you're not wanted.
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PT6A posted:Yes, hence you "defended" Reddit. I'm not particularly concerned about the particulars of that defence, because the truth is that it's a hellhole populated by libertarians, pedophiles and libertarian pedophiles. The merits of any specific argument that occurs there are unimportant. A diversity of opinions can only make the thread stronger.
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PT6A posted:Yes, hence you "defended" Reddit. I'm not particularly concerned about the particulars of that defence, because the truth is that it's a hellhole populated by libertarians, pedophiles and libertarian pedophiles. The merits of any specific argument that occurs there are unimportant. holy gently caress haha
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One of my uncles was ranting like "why should we help these people who chose to do heroin?" His career for 25 years was marketing pills to doctors for GlaxoSmithKline 
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tbf reddit has gotten a lot better since the alt-right decamped to voat
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I went to read the rules you guys are bickering about. They don't seem so much like new rules, but rather advice on how to conform with existing rules. I'm happy that JP got shouted down and I'm happy the school didn't enforce their rules to stop the protesters with air horns. But come on, use your loving brains. If I walk into the anime club and blast my air horn so they can't hear Ghost in the Shell, they will call campus security and get me kicked out. Blasting an air horn to disrupt campus meetings is already against the rules. Obviously. It's not protected free speech. Go blast an air horn next to a cop's head and see how far the free speech defense gets you. Good on McMaster for letting these protesters break the rules in this case. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving guy.
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THC posted:One of my uncles was ranting like "why should we help these people who chose to do heroin?" Couldn't you point out to these sorts of people that stepping over corpses and used needles is unpleasant, and dealing with overdoses is a giant waste of medical resources and taxpayer money, and therefore supervised injection sites benefit them directly?
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PT6A posted:Yes, hence you "defended" Reddit. I'm not particularly concerned about the particulars of that defence, because the truth is that it's a hellhole populated by libertarians, pedophiles and libertarian pedophiles. The merits of any specific argument that occurs there are unimportant. So I pointed out a bullshit argument from someone just pulling just-so stories out of their rear end and insisting on their unwavering truth? Pardon me if I don't go along with the religious dogma; I didn't think you would. PT6A posted:You've defended JBP's speech, and he is basically a Nazi, ergo you have defended Nazi speech. Learn you a logic, or just gently caress off out of this thread since it's clear you're not wanted. Please point out where I've used Peterson's name except to insult him, much less defended anything he's said. If I wanted to listen to people pretend to be experts on topics they know nothing about, I'd go downtown and have Pitbull tell me about the merits of real estate and Bitcoin. tagesschau fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Mar 3, 2018 |
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Jimbozig posted:I went to read the rules you guys are bickering about. They don't seem so much like new rules, but rather advice on how to conform with existing rules. freedom of speech for people I agree with: exactly what a university campus should be
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Typo posted:meanwhile: voat please don't
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Chillyrabbit posted:That went quickly to You're way too naive. And there isn't a difference between white nationalists and white supremacists. They're just trying to say they're the former and not the latter because the latter has negative connotations. These fuckers will just change terminology every now and then once the old one is considered too tainted to stick by. Sure, there might be some people too naive to realize that white nationalism is just a cover for white supremacy but they're happy to call themselves a white nationalist, then they chose that path for themselves.
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Here's a list of things that wouldn't be possible without Jesus Jordan b Peterson
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Ernest Hemingway posted:Justin Trudeau would lose if an election were held tomorrow, India trip a symptom of shift in mood: Ipsos poll How the gently caress does Scheer have any support at all, he's a useless idiot
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CLAM DOWN posted:How the gently caress does Scheer have any support at all, he's a useless idiot Because party and identity politics really don’t care about who is currently the useful idiot appointed as leader.
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infernal machines posted:Time to get out the voat pokemon go to the voating booth
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CLAM DOWN posted:How the gently caress does Scheer have any support at all, he's a useless idiot It's because he's a bland palatable idiot.
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tagesschau posted:Which polling company is the one that consistently overestimates the Tories' numbers? Forum. Something to do with their weighting of conservative voters as essentially 100% guaranteed to vote versus lesser weighting for liberal/NDP I think. Chillyrabbit posted:It's because he's a bland palatable idiot. Your average suburban dad infernal machines fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Mar 3, 2018 |
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Chillyrabbit posted:Yeah I guess I'm just being naive in the sense that in the ideal perfect world, logical and rational people (HA) would be swayed by reasonable arguments that are backed up by sound evidence so that you would be on the "right" side Yes, you are being naive, or willfully dense. Also the notion of "rational" people is dumb stemlord crap. Nobody is fully rational or even close to.
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PT6A posted:Yes, hence you "defended" Reddit. I'm not particularly concerned about the particulars of that defence, because the truth is that it's a hellhole populated by libertarians, pedophiles and libertarian pedophiles. The merits of any specific argument that occurs there are unimportant. You've been tolerated in this thread for far longer despite being far more vile, gently caress off
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