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Che Delilas
Nov 23, 2009
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Shirec posted:

This means that the US team will be responsible for: design, architecture, creating all testing, customer support, and code review. The offshore team will handle all development.

Better known as "full time tech support."

On the bright side, you now have a truthful yet non-slanderous reason that you're leaving (even if it's not your primary one). "My company is offshoring development and transitioning my team into other duties, and those do not align with my career goals (of being a developer)." Something like that.

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FZeroRacer
Apr 8, 2009
I hate the tech hiring process. Mainly because when it comes to interviews I'm not the kind of person that does well in quiz-type situations with a timer ticking down and a puzzle to solve. I bumbled my way through a recent phone interview because despite the simple questions I get wrapped around myself a bit.

That said I still arrive at a decent solution, but that's never quite enough.

Mniot
May 22, 2003
Not the one you know

Capri Sun Tzu posted:

This question is a trap, do not ever badmouth your former employers in an interview no matter how much they deserve it.

No, this is crazy-talk.

They don't want to hire someone who walks up to strangers and says "the CEO of my company sucks!" Don't do that. They don't want someone who identifies a problem and reacts by blaming everyone else. Don't do that. But if they ask "what's something you didn't like about your last employer" then they want a thoughtful diplomatic description with the understanding that no job is perfect and some are much less than perfect. Metztli's example answer was fantastic. If a company actually asked this question intending the correct answer to be "nothing, my last employer was great!" then they're a bad company and you should run, because they'll expect you to keep your mouth shut about everything bad that they do.

Similarly, "what do you like the most and the least about working here?" is a question I ask of interviewers. If someone said "I cry at my desk every day. This place is hell." I'd stop interviewing. But I'd do the same if they told me "I can't think of anything bad". That's a big red flag.

Shirec
Jul 29, 2009

How to cock it up, Fig. I

Boss today wanted to clarify: “please don’t actually call the offshore team code monkeys in any communications with them.” The only one that calls them that is him.

He then went on to make fun of my co-worker by repeating instructions in a 90s era “slow person” voice complete with hand gestures.

I can no longer tell if I’m being hypersensitive or he’s just a massive tool bag in every way.

Ghost of Reagan Past
Oct 7, 2003

rock and roll fun

Shirec posted:

Boss today wanted to clarify: “please don’t actually call the offshore team code monkeys in any communications with them.” The only one that calls them that is him.

He then went on to make fun of my co-worker by repeating instructions in a 90s era “slow person” voice complete with hand gestures.

I can no longer tell if I’m being hypersensitive or he’s just a massive tool bag in every way.
Your boss is a massive piece of poo poo.

fantastic in plastic
Jun 15, 2007

The Socialist Workers Party's newspaper proved to be a tough sell to downtown businessmen.
That's not hypersensitivity at all. The world's least sensitive person would think that guy's an rear end in a top hat.

teen phone cutie
Jun 18, 2012

last year i rewrote something awful from scratch because i hate myself
Dang. Two prospective job applications fell through this week, which I was really confident about.

Back to square one...

Love Stole the Day
Nov 4, 2012
Please give me free quality professional advice so I can be a baby about it and insult you
You know those Easy Apply™ things for jobs on LinkedIn? A recruiter responded to one of my things today and accidentally included the e-mail notification they get from LinkedIn itself, which shows what LinkedIn actually shows them when you apply through their thing.

Censored out personal information for obvious reasons:




The big things that stand out to me are:
  • The Resume File Name actually matters and is shown to them
  • The number of LinkedIn recommendations is shown to them
  • The number of connections you have is shown to them
  • The living location you set on your profile is shown to them
  • When you apply for jobs via LinkedIn, that "# of matching skills you have" thing isn't shown anywhere

I figure the rest of you guys can benefit from knowing this, so that you know exactly how the LinkedIn people present you to the people who actually look at your applications.


edit: I think that another takeaway from this is that the number of stuff you have in your past experience appears to show up on their thing, so maybe it's best to flood it with stuff that isn't necessarily with working at a company (i.e. personal projects) because the stuff you actually put in the Projects section of your LinkedIn profile doesn't show up anywhere on there.

Love Stole the Day fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Mar 2, 2018

Volguus
Mar 3, 2009

Love Stole the Day posted:


edit: I think that another takeaway from this is that the number of stuff you have in your past experience appears to show up on their thing, so maybe it's best to flood it with stuff that isn't necessarily with working at a company (i.e. personal projects) because the stuff you actually put in the Projects section of your LinkedIn profile doesn't show up anywhere on there.

What does it show in the Current and Past sections? Current and Past positions? Short description or just title and company? That's interesting info, thanks.

Love Stole the Day
Nov 4, 2012
Please give me free quality professional advice so I can be a baby about it and insult you

Volguus posted:

What does it show in the Current and Past sections? Current and Past positions? Short description or just title and company? That's interesting info, thanks.

It shows all of what you wrote in your job title sections and the accompanying stuff you wrote in the company name sections. (e.g. "Pooper Scooper at Yellowstone National Park")

Love Stole the Day fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Mar 3, 2018

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003



Is zero recommendations with hundreds of connections a good or bad thing?

Is that good or bad?

e: Do skill endorsements show up in any way?

Love Stole the Day
Nov 4, 2012
Please give me free quality professional advice so I can be a baby about it and insult you

The Fool posted:

Is zero recommendations with hundreds of connections a good or bad thing?

Is that good or bad?

e: Do skill endorsements show up in any way?

In that Udemy course about getting a job that I did last year, it says to have at least one recommendation and 500 connections on your thing and this is probably why. So now I need to go harrass some people, I guess.

As for skill endorsements, none of that appears to show up at all. Everything in the "Accomplishments" section and in the "Skills" section apparently is moot. So I should probably move some stuff into the Education section and in the Experience section so that the person who sees my future applications has more stuff presented to them directly.

Also now I gotta be mindful about the filenames for my resumes or whatever.

Volguus
Mar 3, 2009
500 connections? Really? I cannot get that without lovely recruiters as connections and I avoid them (the connection) like the plague. I am always weary of those 500+ people as to me they standout as liers (though I'm sure there are people who genuinely worked with that many people).

Love Stole the Day
Nov 4, 2012
Please give me free quality professional advice so I can be a baby about it and insult you

Volguus posted:

500 connections? Really? I cannot get that without lovely recruiters as connections and I avoid them (the connection) like the plague. I am always weary of those 500+ people as to me they standout as liers (though I'm sure there are people who genuinely worked with that many people).

Thank you for reminding me why I should have just censored absolutely everything. Here is how you do it:
code:
https://www.linkedin.com/search/results/people/?facetNetwork=["S"]
(copy paste the link manually because the BBCode on this site breaks due to the thing at the end)

Jose Valasquez
Apr 8, 2005

Love Stole the Day posted:

Thank you for reminding me why I should have just censored absolutely everything. Here is how you do it:
code:
https://www.linkedin.com/search/results/people/?facetNetwork=["S"]
(copy paste the link manually because the BBCode on this site breaks due to the thing at the end)

Doesn't work for me

Love Stole the Day
Nov 4, 2012
Please give me free quality professional advice so I can be a baby about it and insult you

Jose Valasquez posted:

Doesn't work for me

Are you logged in? Works for me

Mniot
May 22, 2003
Not the one you know

Volguus posted:

500 connections? Really? I cannot get that without lovely recruiters as connections and I avoid them (the connection) like the plague. I am always weary of those 500+ people as to me they standout as liers (though I'm sure there are people who genuinely worked with that many people).

I don't think it's meaningful how many connections someone has. Like, if someone accepts every recruiter-invitation they're a liar?? I don't know what you imagine they're lying about.

The only point to LinkedIn's connections is when you look at a candidate and see that they share a connection with someone you know and then you can ask that person what they think. But if I'm friends with 10,000 garbage recruiters you'd never notice (unless you are also and even then you wouldn't care because you're not going to call one of them for a back-channel reference).

Oh the other reason to care about friend-spam is that if you link to someone with tons of bad recruiters you'll now get contacted by those recruiters. But again, so what? You already have to ignore recruiter-spam so a little more probably isn't noticeable.

downout
Jul 6, 2009

LinkedIn is the same garbage fake interface as facebook. You aren't getting or getting a job cuz you don't have enough linkedin links. If any dumass is using that as an eval point, welp you probably don't want to work there. Also, my shop needs FE asap in columbus, oh. So if you are there or don't mind relocating (they won't give much for relocation, sorry), then PM me.

Edit: fixed stuff

Volguus
Mar 3, 2009

Mniot posted:

Like, if someone accepts every recruiter-invitation they're a liar??
Yes, of course.
My naive idea was that a connection is a former work colleague (of some sort). Meet at a conference counts as well. A recruiter, who found me by searching for X on google/linkedin/whatever doesn't count. Can't count. It is not a connection. If I find Bill Gates' profile, and he somehow accepts my connection invitation, can that count? I never did anything with the guy. So, "I know/worked with that person" part of the connection is basically just a lie.
And no, I do not have a facebook account, but i did hear that the same "mechanism" was prevalent there as well: people who one barely heard of or knew who they were they instantly became "friends".
And this weakens the meaning of the linkedin "connection" and of the facebook "friend" to the point of ... well, zero. The fact that you are connected to X should mean something. The truth is that it means nothing. So, imagine my shock when Love Stole the Day said that one should have 500+ connections. But they have zero value!!!

Shirec
Jul 29, 2009

How to cock it up, Fig. I

Volguus posted:

Yes, of course.
My naive idea was that a connection is a former work colleague (of some sort). Meet at a conference counts as well. A recruiter, who found me by searching for X on google/linkedin/whatever doesn't count. Can't count. It is not a connection. If I find Bill Gates' profile, and he somehow accepts my connection invitation, can that count? I never did anything with the guy. So, "I know/worked with that person" part of the connection is basically just a lie.
And no, I do not have a facebook account, but i did hear that the same "mechanism" was prevalent there as well: people who one barely heard of or knew who they were they instantly became "friends".
And this weakens the meaning of the linkedin "connection" and of the facebook "friend" to the point of ... well, zero. The fact that you are connected to X should mean something. The truth is that it means nothing. So, imagine my shock when Love Stole the Day said that one should have 500+ connections. But they have zero value!!!

You’re being very harsh over someone sharing their experience. I think that there is room for LinkedIn to be a valuable tool for some, and it depends on what you put in.

I personally think like Mniot, that it’s useful for seeing a network and how people may know each other.

edit: Also I’m pretty sure Love said that a course recommended that, Love made no such claims

Shirec fucked around with this message at 06:22 on Mar 3, 2018

Volguus
Mar 3, 2009

Shirec posted:

You’re being very harsh over someone sharing their experience. I think that there is room for LinkedIn to be a valuable tool for some, and it depends on what you put in.

I personally think like Mniot, that it’s useful for seeing a network and how people may know each other.

edit: Also I’m pretty sure Love said that a course recommended that, Love made no such claims

Uh oh, sorry, yes of course he said the course made that recommendation. I did not mean to imply that I think that he himself thinks that way. My beef is with the fact that, like the course, a lot of people would agree with that opinion, people with hiring decision. At the end of the day, I assume that the course didn't pull that idea/number out of their rear end (maybe they did) and that they have some data/research to back that assertion. And that is probably true. And that is unfortunate, since it values quantity over quality. Getting 500+ connections on linkedin is trivial. Should I? Should we? Should anyone? Should that matter?

In my opinion the number should not matter at all.

Keetron
Sep 26, 2008

Check out my enormous testicles in my TFLC log!

downout posted:

LinkedIn is the same garbage fake interface as facebook. You aren't getting or getting a job cuz you don't have enough linkedin links. If any dumass is using that as an eval point, welp you probably don't want to work there. Also, my shop needs FE asap in columbus, oh. So if you are there or don't mind relocating (they won't give much for relocation, sorry), then PM me.

Edit: fixed stuff

I know Shirec is in the market for a new position and she does FE?

spiritual bypass
Feb 19, 2008

Grimey Drawer

downout posted:

relocating

lol @ the idea of a job that isn't remote

Also, the programmer I've worked with who had the most LinkedIn connections was a compulsive liar with no actual programming ability.

Steve French
Sep 8, 2003

Volguus posted:

Yes, of course.
My naive idea was that a connection is a former work colleague (of some sort). Meet at a conference counts as well. A recruiter, who found me by searching for X on google/linkedin/whatever doesn't count. Can't count. It is not a connection. If I find Bill Gates' profile, and he somehow accepts my connection invitation, can that count? I never did anything with the guy. So, "I know/worked with that person" part of the connection is basically just a lie.
And no, I do not have a facebook account, but i did hear that the same "mechanism" was prevalent there as well: people who one barely heard of or knew who they were they instantly became "friends".
And this weakens the meaning of the linkedin "connection" and of the facebook "friend" to the point of ... well, zero. The fact that you are connected to X should mean something. The truth is that it means nothing. So, imagine my shock when Love Stole the Day said that one should have 500+ connections. But they have zero value!!!

You're right that the number of connections you have shouldn't matter, but that's exactly why the rest of this also is kinda off the mark: it doesn't matter whether a LinkedIn connection is "weakened"; as someone else said there is value in being connected to anyone you know, regardless of how you know them. Maybe someone you meet at a conference is connected to a hiring manager somewhere you want to work??

downout
Jul 6, 2009

Keetron posted:

I know Shirec is in the market for a new position and she does FE?

I think Shirec was aiming for a better area. I think I remember Chicago being mentioned?


rt4 posted:

lol @ the idea of a job that isn't remote

Also, the programmer I've worked with who had the most LinkedIn connections was a compulsive liar with no actual programming ability.

Remote isn't going to fly here. I'm not sure if many places in this area are using it much beyond work from home if needed. This is columbus, not silicon valley. Also, I thought I read an article where companies are starting to back away from remote because employees weren't getting anything done?

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


downout posted:

Remote isn't going to fly here. I'm not sure if many places in this area are using it much beyond work from home if needed. This is columbus, not silicon valley. Also, I thought I read an article where companies are starting to back away from remote because employees weren't getting anything done?

I would not be surprised to see this - remote work requires a measure of structure and self-management, and people aren't as good at this as you'd think. At least, if they're doing it from home - if it's a coworking space thing, then from what I've read, people deal with it better.

Fellatio del Toro
Mar 21, 2009

downout posted:

Remote isn't going to fly here

:confused:

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


downout posted:

Also, I thought I read an article where companies are starting to back away from remote because employees weren't getting anything done?

The big companies that have been dropping their remote work programs are companies that have had other problems totally unrelated to remote work.

Remote work gets cut because it’s an easy policy change that immediately results in a headcount reduction and let’s the board and shareholders feel like something is being done.

The fact is that hiring remote workers is the only practical way to access a better quality talent pool in many regions.

Slimy Hog
Apr 22, 2008

downout posted:

Also, I thought I read an article where companies are starting to back away from remote because employees weren't getting anything done?

Do you happen to have this article handy?

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


Slimy Hog posted:

Do you happen to have this article handy?

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/11/when-working-from-home-doesnt-work/540660/

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/why-are-big-companies-calling-their-remote-workers-back-office-n787101

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/26/technology/yahoo-orders-home-workers-back-to-the-office.html

huhu
Feb 24, 2006
Whelp. I'm back on the search. Would love some feedback on my resume.
Some things I'd like feedback on:
- When I first got into software engineering I was really open to anything but now I'm more focused, thinking it might be a good time to get rid of the last software job I have listed. I feel like my other experience, even non software related is worth more than this job.
- Given that I want to be a full stack dev with Django/Python/Flask and JS/React what should I remove?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hIDFZpgOhrah5141lJBVzawu6podFv2i/view?usp=sharing

Thanks!

fantastic in plastic
Jun 15, 2007

The Socialist Workers Party's newspaper proved to be a tough sell to downtown businessmen.

Well, if thriving companies like Yahoo and IBM are doing it...

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

fantastic in plastic posted:

Well, if thriving companies like Yahoo and IBM are doing it...

I mean this pretty much. In IBM in particular's case 'you gotta start coming in to your nearest office 500 miles away every day now or we fire you' was a pretty blatant way to force out First World employees as part of their strategy to mostly have their employees in places like India anyway.

The Yahoo article is from 2013 btw. How well do you think that worked in the last half decade?

Blinkz0rz
May 27, 2001

MY CONTEMPT FOR MY OWN EMPLOYEES IS ONLY MATCHED BY MY LOVE FOR TOM BRADY'S SWEATY MAGA BALLS
It would be insane to try to attribute any part of Yahoo's failures to recalling remote workers.

Thom ZombieForm
Oct 29, 2010

I will eat you alive
I will eat you alive
I will eat you alive
The best part about cramming more CTCI 6 days before google phone screen for a new grad position is wondering if I'll be reversing a string or solving the travelling salesman problem

kitten smoothie
Dec 29, 2001

It's too easy to goldbrick at home, so we're going to make you come into this office, where we've just installed ping pong tables, a few video arcade machines, and a kegerator

Naar
Aug 19, 2003

The Time of the Eye is now
Fun Shoe

huhu posted:

Whelp. I'm back on the search. Would love some feedback on my resume.
Some things I'd like feedback on:
- When I first got into software engineering I was really open to anything but now I'm more focused, thinking it might be a good time to get rid of the last software job I have listed. I feel like my other experience, even non software related is worth more than this job.
- Given that I want to be a full stack dev with Django/Python/Flask and JS/React what should I remove?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hIDFZpgOhrah5141lJBVzawu6podFv2i/view?usp=sharing

Thanks!
First off, I would definitely try to either cut something out or pad it out as right now it's just over one page, which looks a bit odd.

HTML, CSS, MySQL, etc. are not programming languages!

The Web Specialist position is not in chronological order? If you did it as part of general contracting, just lump it in there.

I personally think it's nice to see extra bits like the ones you've included in Additional Work Experience as they show more broad interests beyond just 'likes pressing keyboard'.

However, the golden rule for CVs (which you probably know already, so apologies if I'm teaching you to suck eggs) is to tailor each one to the job you're applying for by mirroring their language. If a company says they want a Python Developer, call yourself a Python Developer. If the job spec says 'Agile', you should have the word 'Agile' on there.

pigdog
Apr 23, 2004

by Smythe

quote:

Consider the extremely tiny office that is the cockpit of a Boeing 727. Three crew members are stuffed in there, wrapped in instrument panels. Comfort-wise, it’s not a great setup. But the forced proximity benefits crew communication, as researchers from UC San Diego and UC Irvine demonstrated in an analysis of one simulated flight—specifically the moments after one crew member diagnoses a fuel leak.

A transcript of the cockpit audio doesn’t reveal much communication at all. The flight engineer reports a “funny situation.” The pilot says “Hmmm.” The co-pilot says “Ohhhh.”

Match the audio with a video of the cockpit exchange and it’s clear that the pilots don’t need to say much to reach a shared understanding of the problem. That it’s a critical situation is underscored by body language: The flight engineer turns his body to face the others. That the fuel is very low is conveyed by jabbing his index finger at the fuel gauge. And a narrative of the steps he has already taken—no, the needle on the gauge isn’t stuck, and yes, he has already diverted fuel from engine one, to no avail—is enacted through a quick series of gestures at the instrument panel and punctuated by a few short utterances.

It is a model of collaborative efficiency, taking just 24 seconds. In the email world, the same exchange could easily involve several dozen messages—which, given the rapidly emptying fuel tank, is not ideal.

Gonna save this example, it is great.

Joda
Apr 24, 2010

When I'm off, I just like to really let go and have fun, y'know?

Fun Shoe
I know for a fact that I'd get way less done from home, and my mental condition benefits a lot from being around people throughout the day.

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fantastic in plastic
Jun 15, 2007

The Socialist Workers Party's newspaper proved to be a tough sell to downtown businessmen.

huhu posted:

Whelp. I'm back on the search. Would love some feedback on my resume.
Some things I'd like feedback on:
- When I first got into software engineering I was really open to anything but now I'm more focused, thinking it might be a good time to get rid of the last software job I have listed. I feel like my other experience, even non software related is worth more than this job.
- Given that I want to be a full stack dev with Django/Python/Flask and JS/React what should I remove?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hIDFZpgOhrah5141lJBVzawu6podFv2i/view?usp=sharing

Thanks!

Can you add quantification to some of your bullet points which demonstrates the impact your work had on the business? For example, at Foo Pharmaceuticals, you "Wrote Python scripts to merge and simplify data spread across various MySQL database tables," which tells the reader what you did, but doesn't give a sense of how important that work was. If you added something like "...which improved efficiency by 10%", or whatever a good metric is, that would help your resume stand out. (Your bullet points under additional work experience/volunteering are pretty good about this, but someone reading your resume is going to focus on the dev experience part primarily.)

A few of your bullet points highlight the accomplishments of others rather than yours. "Assisted other designers and developers..." "Collaborated with UI/UX designers..." Rewrite them to focus on what you did, not what the other people did.

I spotted a minor grammar issue under "Board Member & Class Instructor" -- you wrote "Raise..." rather than "Raised...".

With regard to your questions:

I'd cut Bootstrap, jQuery, LESS/Sass, Bash, HTML/CSS. Maybe consolidate the various databases into SQL, and put it under Software & Tools rather than programming languages. If you've done TDD, Agile, Kanban or whatever else, you can list them in the skills summary as methodologies. (Anecdotally, listing TDD is a double-edged sword unless you really believe in it.)

You could reduce that first contracting job to something like "Developed 2 websites on government contract. Work included creating automated scripts in Python." Writing it that way elides that it was WordPress and reframes the bullet point to focus on your Python experience.

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