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DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?
Don't doxx Chillyrabbit

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Nilbop
Jun 5, 2004

Looks like someone forgot his hardhat...

Is that ... Jeremy Irons?

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Nilbop posted:

Is that ... Jeremy Irons?

No, it's Peterson lmao

Reince Penis
Nov 15, 2007

by R. Guyovich
That's as big a self own as I've ever seen

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
.

James Baud fucked around with this message at 12:04 on Aug 26, 2018

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

James Baud posted:

Boondock Saints hasn't somehow become culturally relevant again.

I was worried for a minute there.

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

Nilbop posted:

Excuse me I'm really upset that "alt-right" has evolved to accurately describe my whackadoo lifestyle and views so I'm going to try and push "alt-lib" to describe everyone I don't like, is everyone down?
What? The point is that alt-right does not adequately describe people like Peterson and Sam Harris, who push a racist agenda in a less open and explicit way than alt-right personalities. The author is not alt-right.

James Baud posted:

The part that confused me was that the flat page that supposedly showed the twitter posts was a never-ending crazy person rant. What was that, 700 tweets?
It seems that way because the date stamps are missing. He came back to the thread every week or so to add a little more.

Stickarts
Dec 21, 2003

literally

Trudeau kicking that funding down the road reminded me that I said I was gonna make an effort post on on-reserve housing.

I was hoping I would have more time to turn this into more of a narrative but:

The On-Reserve Housing Crisis

Some quick stats (all can be directly sourced):

• 617 Bands/Nations in Canada and 3,000+ Reserves
• 50% of "Treaty Indians" live on-reserve
• Median on-reserve income is $14,000. This is lower in the prairie provinces.
• 4/5 Reserves have incomes below the poverty line
• On-reserve adult employment rate is 47%
• 28% of on-reserve housing is overcrowded
• 43% of on-reserve homes are in need of major repairs (broken utilities, in need of structural repair, etc)
• 15% of all homes need to be out-and-out replaced.
• Due to the remote nature of most reserves (a feature not a bug of the original design), building costs are 30-50% higher on-rez.
• Mould contaminates about ½ of on-rez housing
• 93% of SK reserves have been under boil-water advisories in the past 11 years.
• TB rates are 31X the national average.
• On-rez graduation rate is ~50%.
• Reserve schools are funded at ~$7,000/student (average off res is over $10,000)
• Reserve teachers are paid 30%+ less than off-reserve teachers
• Goods are often considerably more expensive “In 2003, a Winnipeg Harvest study found that while a 4-litre jug of milk cost $3.40 in Winnipeg, costs $12.09 in Wasagamack.”
• ¼ of people on-reserve use water systems that pose a health risk


quote:

An individual cannot get a mortgage for on-reserve construction. Real property on reserves cannot be used as collateral for a mortgage. Could you afford to build a house without taking out a mortgage?


On-reserve inhabitants might be able to own their house, but they do not own the land. Treaty Indians also are not allowed to sell their homes, as they are formally wards of the state. So, no chance to build equity.

And the inhabitants of the homes aren’t even allowed to hire contractors to fix their homes (remember the $14,000 median income here, as well as the 30-50% hire construction costs) as it remains the responsibility of the Federal government. The majority of it is rental housing anyway. Which, again, doesn’t allow you to make major renovations.

Even if an individual decided to take matters into their own hands, let me circle back and point out the extreme poverty and isolation these communities live in. You can’t just hop over to Rona for some supplies. I mean, gently caress, BC and Sask have cut bus routes to the North the past couple years. As if you’d be taking 2x4s with you on the bus anyway.

The Government of Canada says there is a current shortage of 20,000-35,000 units just to meet current demand. The Assembly of First Nations puts that number at about 85,000.

On-reserve funding is underfunded to the tune of $150-200 million every year. Compound interest + the fastest growing demographic in Canada.

quote:

One of them, Attawapiskat, about 500 kilometres north of Timmins, Ont., has resorted to housing people in uninsulated sheds, wood-frame tents heated by wood stoves and donated construction trailers, where some families have been living for two years already.

"Even newborn babies are residing in these sheds, and there's no water hookup and no hydro hookup," Attawapiskat Chief Theresa Spence said.”
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/shacks-and-slop-pails-infrastructure-crisis-on-native-reserves-1.1004957









And while it might be easy to think the solution is to get rid of reserves… it isn’t.

Treaty Rights are deeply entrenched legally. They’re about as likely to be changed as a Constitutional Accord working in Canada.

Canada forced, through starvation, First Nations onto reserves ffffaaaaarrrr away from any traditional homeland. In Saskatchewan, the plan was to quite literally “clear the plains” in advance of the railway. You can’t fix forcible relocation through forcible relocation.
So even if the Indian Act and Treaties are fundamentally flawed, and I think many Indig activists would agree with me that they are, and even if the Treaties were created with the intent to deceive as my previous post on the MacMartin Diaries highlights, they are the only legal protection Indigenous peoples have in Canada and are rightfully held onto because of that. “As long as the grass grows and the rivers flow” was how it was phrased in the Treaties. Any solution for the time being will have to be found within the confines of pre-existing law. There simply isn’t the relationship right now for a renegotiation. Why would there be? Not a single Federal government has ever followed through on promises in a meaningful way or responded to these issues in good faith.

Anyway, I gotta go to Rona.

Stickarts fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Mar 3, 2018

Nilbop
Jun 5, 2004

Looks like someone forgot his hardhat...
God in Heaven that's much worse than I thought.

Stickarts
Dec 21, 2003

literally

Nilbop posted:

God in Heaven that's much worse than I thought.

I think that’s p much the universal response.

e. In fact:

Stickarts posted:

Yea - the way on-reserve housing is controlled and maintained by the Feds is a whole other post, but believe me that it’s way loving worse than you think it is.


Stickarts fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Mar 3, 2018

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005
I had no idea that on-reserve FN were incapable of building equity or even doing renovations on their homes. Thanks for the effort post, everything about that is just heartbreaking.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
they have satellite tv how can they be living in poverty

Nilbop
Jun 5, 2004

Looks like someone forgot his hardhat...
I’m just sat here thinking they really should’ve had photos like those plastered all over the front of our building. They created a lot of protest signs and literature but there were no pictures of what it was like at all, just their stories.

Jesus, I hope they come back again, they really got nothing last time.

pokeyman
Nov 26, 2006

That elephant ate my entire platoon.

HookShot posted:

I had no idea that on-reserve FN were incapable of building equity or even doing renovations on their homes. Thanks for the effort post, everything about that is just heartbreaking.

I remember learning about the mortgage thing from an effort post (offhand comment?) a few years ago. Still blows my mind for some reason.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy
Isn't that a feature, rather than a bug, of the reserve system?

Like, I know there are a few reserves that have moved away from that model, but I remember listening to a CBC feature where they said the resistance to doing so comes from the indigenous groups themselves.

It blew me away when I heard it too though. Just seems like a way to keep people in poverty / under the thumb of the local government.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Jordan7hm posted:

Like, I know there are a few reserves that have moved away from that model, but I remember listening to a CBC feature where they said the resistance to doing so comes from the indigenous groups themselves.

Well, in a sense it does, as they don't want to give up control of the land to outside ownership. However, that renders it useless to secure a loan.

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
.

James Baud fucked around with this message at 12:04 on Aug 26, 2018

Stickarts
Dec 21, 2003

literally

Jordan7hm posted:

Isn't that a feature, rather than a bug, of the reserve system?

Like, I know there are a few reserves that have moved away from that model, but I remember listening to a CBC feature where they said the resistance to doing so comes from the indigenous groups themselves.

It blew me away when I heard it too though. Just seems like a way to keep people in poverty / under the thumb of the local government.

Phone posting but:

1. I’m not an expert by any means
2. Tempting though it is to do, 617 different nations do not operate as a single bloc or have consistent views.
3. Desperation leads to decisions that may not have been made in more ideal circumstances
4. Preserving cultural heritage is important, so no selling is important for that.
5. I wonder if you could even sell land to non-reserve members under Treaty (short answer: no)
6. The no equity thing wouldn’t be an issue if the Feds just loving built and maintained quality houses like it was a human right or something (and which they promised to do). It just serves to underscore how broken the current system is which whether it was by design or not (it was):

Jordan7hm posted:



Just seems like a way to keep people in poverty

Stickarts fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Mar 3, 2018

Stickarts
Dec 21, 2003

literally

James Baud posted:

Every treaty (re)negotiation is subject to everybody wanting it to be "the" new agreement for all time that fixes every problem and redresses every historical wrong, and also there's a lot of conservatism re: "we're getting screwed again, even if we don't see how". Nothing incremental allowed!

It's a wonder that any new treaties get completed at all.

I think you’re underestimating the level of mistrust and the messiness and huge consequences of doing anything related to this. Mulroney didn’t turf his government’s popularity over Meech Lake/Charlottetown for incrementalism.

Stickarts
Dec 21, 2003

literally

Well, SK NDP elected the leftist outsider Ryan Meili as their new leader so that’s cool I guess.

Chicken
Apr 23, 2014

Stickarts posted:

The On-Reserve Housing Crisis

This is a very good post. I was aware of most of it but seeing it all in one place puts it into perspective. Really highlights how the Indian Act is detrimental in a lot of ways but also the only protection most First Nations have.

And congratulations on Ryan Meili. I've heard good things about him from people in Saskatoon.

Reince Penis
Nov 15, 2007

by R. Guyovich
If anyone wants some schadenfreude, Jordan Peterson is doing a talk in Toronto in May and the fb event page has a bunch of chuds complaining they can't afford the tickets.

After the limited cheap presale, the only seats available are $200.

I've said it before: the dude is a terrible human being but a highly skilled grifter.

Reince Penis fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Mar 4, 2018

Nilbop
Jun 5, 2004

Looks like someone forgot his hardhat...

Reince Penis posted:

If anyone wants some schadenfreude, Jordan Peterson is doing a talk in Toronto in May and the fb event page has a bunch of chuds complaining they can't afford the tickets.

After the limited cheap presale, the only seats available are $200.

I've said it before: the dude is a terrible human being but a highly skilled grifter.

Where is the event? Somewhere a discretely tossed egg might find an obliging forehead?

Ernest Hemingway
Dec 4, 2009

Reince Penis posted:


After the limited cheap presale, the only seats available are $200.


Keep dreaming, bucko.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
Imagine being such a broken human being you'd pay $1000 to see that imbecile speak. I went down to Mexico last weekend for less than that, and I thought that was really quite a questionable use of funds as it was.

The Butcher
Apr 20, 2005

Well, at least we tried.
Nap Ghost
Donating money to a multi millionaire to own the libs!!

Reince Penis
Nov 15, 2007

by R. Guyovich

Ernest Hemingway posted:

Keep dreaming, bucko.



LMAO

World. Class. Grifter.

Seat Safety Switch
May 27, 2008

MY RELIGION IS THE SMALL BLOCK V8 AND COMMANDMENTS ONE THROUGH TEN ARE NEVER LIFT.

Pillbug
gently caress job training, it's clearly more profitable just to make our unemployed oilpatch workers into biotruths philosophers.

Blade_of_tyshalle
Jul 12, 2009

If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.

I can't imagine paying $500 to see anyone speak, let alone a mewling simpleton.

The Butcher
Apr 20, 2005

Well, at least we tried.
Nap Ghost

I read the comments and I think I have cancer in my brain now. Conservative youtube commenters have to be the absolute bottom of the barrel. Makes reddit posters look like scholars.

all different people posted:

Seriously WTF are we letting this POS TRAITOR get away with, his BS will cost Canada dearly

"Uh, uh, uh , uh , uh , uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, u,h." -Justin Trudope 2018

When you thought it just couldn't get any worse . . .

And yet this clown somehow got elected. SJW's and Feminists - this is your doing. There is no worse testament to the Liberal Party mind set than the fact that they pushed aside more qualified people to choose this as their party leader.

AND THIS IS WHY. MR PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS NOT BEEN TO CANADA. FIRST TIME IN HISTORY. :smugdon:

steady diet of soy products and weed = stupidest man alive

The Moron Soy Boy is spewing gibberish again ...Is he getting his lines wrong that are being fed into his hidden ear piece?

He was suffering from PTSD from his last steel conversation with Trump.

Oh good Lord! Jihadi Truedope shouldn't conduct interviews when he's stoned out of his non-existent brain. Is he really trying to put up a resistance to Trump's planned import tariffs? HOW??? Boy, you can't even utter a single coherent sentence!

Imagine the depth to which Stephen Harper could go to on this subject effortlessly, off the cuff. This unqualified criminal can't even get his talking points straight.

This is worse than any Bushism. This is what you get when your Prime Minister only reads books on Gender Based ANALYSIS (TM) and doesn't know anything about economics.

President Trump has about zero respect for Twinkletoes Trudeau ... Trump is a good judge of character.

p.s. I think the reason he wants to legalize weed is that if everyone in the country is stoned out of their gourd, his incoherent ramblings will somehow make sense to them... until they sober up.

Well after all his expertise is in quantum physics!!!! He truly is a very unintelligent person. Watch CBC and edit this to protect their princess.

Justin El Chapdeau should give up the bong

He's just as coked up as Obama was many times. :cocaine:

Soy boy blunder tru-dope.

loving quebecker :quebec:

This little puke should be skinned alive. :yikes:

Mkultra :okpos:

America will you please take over Canada? As a Canadian, I would much rather be an American.

If you voted for him and you regret it I still hope you die :shrug:

His mother was a heavy pot smoker and it shows. Justine Jihad is the perfect example of why women should not smoke weed when they're pregnant.

lol plz america just nuke our pretentious country,

If JIHADI JUSTIN goes ahead to WRECK the JOB MARKET FOR MEN, then Canadian men WILL BE FORCED to go to the US TO FIND A JOB. There will be NO JOBS FOR MEN in Canada.

Please shoot this faggit.

Hussein Obama wasn't much better without a teleprompter. I swear Justin is Nancy Pelosi's lost love child

Side effects of indian fecal poisoning.

Lol at Canadians crying over Justin Trudeau. Your country is long lost, do you not think anybody outside of Canada has seen pictures of what toronto/vancouver looks like? Fking china town, you're getting overtaken by chinks, lmaoooo.

Ladies and Gentlemen, the honorable crime Minister of Canada, Jihadi Justin Trudeau.

:siren:NO JOBS FOR MEN:siren:

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

The Butcher posted:

:siren:NO JOBS FOR MEN:siren:

What the gently caress does this even mean? What jobs can women do that men can't?

Or do they mean no one will pay their dumb rear end a shitton to do something they don't need a shred of intelligence or training for? I'm guessing it's that one.

The Butcher
Apr 20, 2005

Well, at least we tried.
Nap Ghost

PT6A posted:

What jobs can women do that men can't?

Surrogate. :colbert:

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Touché

Oh no, all our non-surrogacy jobs are vanishing!

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
I honestly can't loving wait for the housing crash to put all these white uneducated trash out of work, who will vote in a populist tory PM who will further enact regressive policies and austerity, making their pathetic lives even worse.

Then maybe I'll sell off all my US equities and buy back in just as the great race riots of brampton wrap up

xtal
Jan 9, 2011

by Fluffdaddy

Transphobia :colbert:

The Butcher
Apr 20, 2005

Well, at least we tried.
Nap Ghost

xtal posted:

Transphobia :colbert:

Touché again lol

vincentpricesboner
Sep 3, 2006

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

namaste friends posted:

I honestly can't loving wait for the housing crash to put all these white uneducated trash out of work, who will vote in a populist tory PM who will further enact regressive policies and austerity, making their pathetic lives even worse.

Then maybe I'll sell off all my US equities and buy back in just as the great race riots of brampton wrap up

lol @ arguing about politics when you own US stocks. you are the problem

The Butcher
Apr 20, 2005

Well, at least we tried.
Nap Ghost

zapplez posted:

lol @ arguing about politics when you own US stocks. you are the problem

True woke socialists only own BB.TO

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
*lmaos at people who own stocks

*dies at the age of 70 eating catfood while living in an sro

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PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

namaste friends posted:

*lmaos at people who own stocks

*dies at the age of 70 eating catfood while living in an sro

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