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ChrisBTY posted:Alright, we talking Russo again? Considering that his horrible treatment of women extended into his time with TNA, I think it's safe to say that it's a Russo problem
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Okay, here's a game. List every instance of "WWE guy who has some really cool signature move but uses a weakshit Neckbreaker variant as a finisher instead." you can think of.
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Mar 4, 2018 03:01
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ChrisBTY posted:Alright, we talking Russo again? There’s tons of it everywhere he’s worked
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ChrisBTY posted:Alright, we talking Russo again? WWE got at least a LITTLE better after he left. They sometimes booked Trish and Lita as actual athletes.
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Mar 4, 2018 05:53
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That might be worse.
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Mar 4, 2018 05:54
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Defiance Industries posted:WWE got at least a LITTLE better after he left. They sometimes booked Trish and Lita as actual athletes. Trish barking like a dog, Austin beating up Lita, the Kane/Lita rape angle and so much more were after he left.
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Mar 4, 2018 06:00
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Just listening to Ophidian's podcast and I was wondering ...why isn't he on more indie shows? He seems pretty talented though I do not know anything about his personality outside of the ring.
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VJeff posted:Okay, here's a game. I almost want to say Ravishing Rick Rude here, but you’ve got a downer view on neckbreakers, so maybe anybody with a cutter?
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Mar 4, 2018 09:29
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Will Ospreay's springboard cutter always feels weird as a finisher when he does a billion cooler moves as nearfalls
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Defiance Industries posted:WWE got at least a LITTLE better after he left. They sometimes booked Trish and Lita as actual athletes. MassRafTer posted:Trish barking like a dog, Austin beating up Lita, the Kane/Lita rape angle and so much more were after he left. Yeah, Trish wasn't booked as "she's a really good wrestler" until about 2003 or so, when they started bringing in the odd woman who could actually work, like Victoria or Mickie.
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Mar 4, 2018 15:20
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Orton's backbreaker looks about million times more brutal than his RKO
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Mar 4, 2018 15:49
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Davros1 posted:Orton's backbreaker looks about million times more brutal than his RKO Tbf backbreakers are awesome and underused. Bring back Sgt.Slaughters overhead gut slam as well
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Mar 4, 2018 18:42
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Spuckuk posted:Tbf backbreakers are awesome and underused. Bring back Sgt.Slaughters overhead gut slam as well Do I have a cruiserweight for you, then!
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Gaz-L posted:Do I have a cruiserweight for you, then! Two, in fact.  btw, if you're wondering what spurred this vitriol against neckbreaker finishers, it's Elias and Jason Jordan.
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Mar 4, 2018 20:03
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But Elias doesn't do anything cool.
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Mar 4, 2018 20:14
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Wise Fwom Yo Gwave posted:I almost want to say Ravishing Rick Rude here, but you’ve got a downer view on neckbreakers, so maybe anybody with a cutter? The Rude Awakening loving kicked rear end
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Mar 4, 2018 20:22
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Aphrodite posted:But Elias doesn't do anything cool. That electric chair Power Bomb is sorta cool and definitely better than Drift Away.
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VJeff posted:That electric chair Power Bomb is sorta cool and definitely better than Drift Away. Oh yeah, i forgot about everything that happened in that match. Apparently that was his indie finisher. Nikki Cross does a better fisherman neckbreaker anyway.
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Mar 4, 2018 21:02
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Okay after looking around a bit apparently Elias used to do a sort of Rainmaker pull into a snap swinging neckbreaker in NXT and it looks about a million times better than what he does now. Still not as cool as that power bomb though.
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Mar 4, 2018 21:09
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MassRafTer posted:Trish barking like a dog, Austin beating up Lita, the Kane/Lita rape angle and so much more were after he left. Don't forget 3-Minute Warning stiffing the HLA women so bad they got fractured ribs, all of Test's misogynistic run in 2003, Austin stunnering Stacy Keibler in the middle of said run where she was being abused by Test, Piggy James...
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Shiki Dan posted:Don't forget 3-Minute Warning stiffing the HLA women so bad they got fractured ribs, all of Test's misogynistic run in 2003, Austin stunnering Stacy Keibler in the middle of said run where she was being abused by Test, Piggy James... Plus all the gross poo poo they did to Vickie Guerrero
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D-X raping a coed happened after Ferrara and Russo left too...I had tried to purge that one from my memory -Also, all of the Vince and Sable interactions once she returned to company AFTER suing Vince personally for sexual harassment.
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It should be pointed out of course that Russo left the company when it was doing well and they had as yet no reason to rethink the way they were booking women or really any other part of the roster. Russo on the other hand stuck to his bullshit in the face of ever more failure on smaller and smaller scales.
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Mar 4, 2018 23:35
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There should be more electric chair drops, preferably into an atomic drop or back rake.
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Mar 5, 2018 00:23
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Sit out Electric Chair. No drop, the attacker just sits out.
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Bigass Moth posted:There should be more electric chair drops, preferably into an atomic drop or back rake. Electric chairs and flapjacks should be finishers imo.
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Mar 5, 2018 00:37
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They did a ton of stupid poo poo after Russo left. The period where the PTC was going after sponsors resulted in the RTC and lots of repugnant stuff to "stick it" to them. In turn they lost even more sponsors. I think the Trish barking stuff was even brought up in that infamous Costas interview where Vince flipped his poo poo. Also Victoria could work, but I think she actually started as one of Godfather's hos and they saw she had potential.
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Mar 5, 2018 00:50
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Of course after he left, Russo goes to WCW and does that really, really creepy angle with Elizabeth where he basically keeps her as a house slave.
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DeathChicken posted:Of course after he left, Russo goes to WCW and does that really, really creepy angle with Elizabeth where he basically keeps her as a house slave. Wait what? The only angle I remember with Elizabeth after Russo appeared was the one where she had the fallout with The Total Package, which was rather unpleasant in it's own way but not quite like that. -Ok, new question. As somebody who is only familiar with La Parka as a chair swinging comedy wrestler in WCW, what is his deal in Mexico exactly? What's the difference maker? Because I have trouble imaging that gimmick getting over enough on its own that La Parka would become an icon, no matter how strongly he was booked. - Is it because he's a really good wrestler and we naturally didn't get to see it in the US (aside from one match against Psicosis in 98 that drew silence from the crowd and was slow and not that good) - Is it because he can cut promos in Mexico? - Does he do the Mick Foley thing where he can do goofy and serious at the same time? - Or is the gimmick just dead serious in Mexico? - Do Lucha fans just really like skeletons?
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ChrisBTY posted:Wait what? Parka is a great rudo who can read the crowd well and is a great brawler and there's like an entire holiday around dead and skeletons so yes
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My impression of Parka - and it could be entirely wrong - is that both answers are true. He got over in WCW by looking cool and playing a chair guitar but he's good enough that he managed to turn that into real overness for the subsequent couple of decades.
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Skeletons are like top 5 coolest thing
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VJeff posted:Okay, here's a game. Blue Thunder Bomb > Helluva Kick Deep 6 > End of Days
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Mar 5, 2018 02:29
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it's always a bummer to me that you basically can't have a move as your finisher if you can't theoretically land it on, like, the big show
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flatluigi posted:it's always a bummer to me that you basically can't have a move as your finisher if you can't theoretically land it on, like, the big show Sometimes not even then, if your gimmick isn't "strongman".
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flatluigi posted:it's always a bummer to me that you basically can't have a move as your finisher if you can't theoretically land it on, like, the big show i can hit show with a vertebreaker watch me
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ChrisBTY posted:Wait what? LA Park has incredible charisma, is a fairly good wrestler (although he is fat and broken down now so a lot of the chain wrestling he attempts doesn't look fluid) a great brawler who loves to bleed and well, he's just really good. His promos come off well but I don't speak Spanish, but he sounds like a bad rear end when he cuts them on Rush. If you book a great brawler as a comedy jobber he will be a comedy jobber if he's a protected main eventer he'll get to shine and be an all time great.
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To be honest part of me wonders if pre-Russo pre-cost cutting WCW would have ever pushed some of the luchadors higher up the card if they signed bigger/exclusive deals and not left them as comedy jobbers/opening match talent.
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Probably not given the racism and politics even before things went south.
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