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Thanks so much for the feedback! Funny how the hardest part was removing HTML & CSS but I think it makes sense.
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Lol don’t remove html and css just because that guy said it wasn’t a programming language. It’s still a notable skill that is important if a recruiter is screening your resume
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Mar 4, 2018 20:13
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I usually just do something like "Experience with programming in language blah blah and blah, and markup/styling languages such as HTML/Handlebars/Sass/Less, whatever"
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Mar 5, 2018 01:43
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I have a section on my resume titled "Technical Skills" where I include anything relevant.
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Mar 5, 2018 01:50
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Just rename “programming languages” into “languages.” That way, you won’t have to move html and css somewhere else
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Mar 5, 2018 02:11
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Grump posted:Lol don’t remove html and css just because that guy said it wasn’t a programming language. Exactly this. As long as employers keep asking for HTML/CSS in their job ads, I'm going to keep including it on my resume, regardless of how many autistic neckbeards I anger with my slightly incorrect use of terminology.
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Mar 5, 2018 06:36
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Grump posted:Just rename “programming languages” into “languages.” That way, you won’t have to move html and css somewhere else
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Mar 5, 2018 07:47
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So a little over a month since I started looking for a new position after getting laid off I got an offer from LinkedIn today and its a huge step up from what I was making previously. Not sad to put the job search behind me again, way too stressful.
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Mar 6, 2018 00:56
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Radical posted:So a little over a month since I started looking for a new position after getting laid off I got an offer from LinkedIn today and its a huge step up from what I was making previously. Not sad to put the job search behind me again, way too stressful. Congrats  I had my phone screen today with the VP of Engineering. Asked some good questions, gave him some basic info about what I'm currently doing, and felt pretty ok about the whole thing. He said there would be next steps and the "recruiter would be getting back to me this week or hopefully in a few days." So I feel good? Like hopeful?
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Mar 6, 2018 01:27
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Shirec posted:Congrats Nice! Keep in mind that I’ve sent out 116 resumes so far, so don’t let it get you down if you don’t get the job. Persistence is the name of the game
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Mar 6, 2018 01:37
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Radical posted:So a little over a month since I started looking for a new position after getting laid off I got an offer from LinkedIn today and its a huge step up from what I was making previously. Not sad to put the job search behind me again, way too stressful. You got an offer to work at LinkedIn or you got an offer from an opportunity on LinkedIn? Either way congrats, I interviewed at LinkedIn last year and it seemed like a pretty cool place to work even if I hate their product always begging me for my contacts
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Yeah, it was an offer to work at LinkedIn. I was at their Mountain View offices, and they're super nice. I was at the new Apple campus previous before I got laid off but I was in one of the satellite buildings and it wasn't as nice. Frankly I'm just psyched to not have to pay for food anymore.
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Mar 6, 2018 05:14
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Joda posted:I know for a fact that I'd get way less done from home, and my mental condition benefits a lot from being around people throughout the day. It's always strange to me how different I am from other people in this regard. I get way more work done when I'm at home. The opportunity to just put work down and play video games for an hour or so, then pick it up later always makes me feel so much better. I never feel stuck, it never feels like a problem is too stressful, because I have all the relaxing comforts of home. When I'm at work and I spin my wheels for a bit, I feel exponentially more frustrated because there's nowhere to go that feels like it's distancing enough from work to clear my head out for a bit so I can re-approach the problem with fresh perspective. It's completely night and day for me. I don't cut my hair as often as I should, though.
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Mar 6, 2018 13:06
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Vincent Valentine posted:It's always strange to me how different I am from other people in this regard. I usually eat lunch at my desk and go for a walk for my actual lunch break. It’s a pretty good trick for keeping your sanity at work.
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Mar 6, 2018 14:53
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Grump posted:I usually eat lunch at my desk and go for a walk for my actual lunch break. Likewise. There’s a nice park near my office and I go stroll nearly every day.
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i leave for lunch pretty much daily to get out of the office. i also get way more done at home because I'm distracted by other people at work more often then I am by the items I have at home.
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B-Nasty posted:What a joke. the IQ thing was meant ironically, right? cause lol. you're not wrong that programming demands training particular cognitive skills, but if you need to ask why programmers suffer from impostor syndrome, it's because of this same self-aggrandizing poo poo programmers put out about their high IQs and towering intellects. it's not a high IQ club to be a working programmer. it's not long until programming is just another ordinary schmuck blue-collar job. it already basically is in the places where western tech companies offshore.
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Mar 6, 2018 21:17
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Vincent Valentine posted:Keep in mind guys if shirec gets fired for reporting her boss there is zero chance she will win a retaliatory suit because he has been loudly and aggressively chastising her in public for basically everything. He can just point to all of those times and say he was unhappy with her performance. Is not that simple. complaining about an employee in court will waive code violations? i really want this rear end in a top hat to get reported, though. it's not everyone who gets an opportunity like this to report their bossm
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Mar 6, 2018 21:24
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Fututor Magnus posted:the IQ thing was meant ironically, right? cause lol. you're not wrong that programming demands training particular cognitive skills, but if you need to ask why programmers suffer from impostor syndrome, it's because of this same self-aggrandizing poo poo programmers put out about their high IQs and towering intellects. it's not a high IQ club to be a working programmer. it's not long until programming is just another ordinary schmuck blue-collar job. it already basically is in the places where western tech companies offshore. You seem to be confusing the general idea of writing code with a career in software engineering. There's a big swath of jobs that can be filled with mediocre people that will continually and increasingly become blue collar-esque before being automated, but there's also a big swath of jobs that need the top percentage of people executing well to succeed that will be made blue collar and automated extremely slowly if ever. But by all means tell me I'm wrong and that the average Google engineer is about to be marginalized and eventually driven out of the industry as a blue collar worker, I'm sure they'd love your insight into how to dramatically cut their costs.
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How plausible is it to go from basically zero coding knowledge, to completing a coding bootcamp and actually getting a decent job? I've been looking into Hack Reactor, and reading the reviews saying people quit their (insert random job), completed Hack Reactor, and then got a $100k/year job within 3 months. I'd like to believe that's true, but part of me believes it's just the bootcamp putting out fake reviews to sucker people in. Why would someone get a 4 year degree , if you can spend $15k and a few months at a coding bootcamp, and get the same job? Basically, I'm looking to change careers, and I am very interested in coding. I don't doubt that I have the drive and intelligence to successfully complete a boot camp like Hack Reactor, I just don't want to go through all of that and then find out, "Oh yeah you can't get a job without a degree you loving idiot." I'd love to hear a first hand experience of someone who did what I'm looking to do. RCarr fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Mar 6, 2018 |
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Mar 6, 2018 22:34
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RCarr posted:How plausible is it to go from basically zero coding knowledge, to completing a coding bootcamp and actually getting a decent job? e. For reference, I got several decent jobs before I finished my degree. I also know someone who got a masters in astrophysics, did a boot camp and got hired right out of boot camp.
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Mar 6, 2018 22:41
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Capri Sun Tzu posted:You can definitely get a job in this field without a degree especially if you can knock together some personal projects that prove you can code. You might be looking at entry level though. What career path are you transferring from? Customer Service. More specifically, I'm a Service Manager at a General Motors dealership.
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Being self-taught isn't a mark against you in this field. If you can code and you have the tenacity and intuition to figure things out, you can get a job without a degree. Offer to work on some open source projects, get some projects of your own running, see if you can snag some intern work.
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Mar 6, 2018 23:06
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RCarr posted:How plausible is it to go from basically zero coding knowledge, to completing a coding bootcamp and actually getting a decent job?
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Mar 6, 2018 23:11
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RCarr posted:How plausible is it to go from basically zero coding knowledge, to completing a coding bootcamp and actually getting a decent job? In November 2016 I came across Harvard University's free CS50 online and went through the entire thing. In summer of 2017 I went through an online self-paced bootcamp (unfortunately recently bought out/completely changed so not sure if I can recommend at this point). By end of September 2017 I had landed a job in software development. I have a degree in music business/audio engineering. I think it was helpful to have the CS50 background which taught me C, as well as some basic data structures and algorithms, plus I've been a nerd my whole life so jumping into shell commands/tinkering with code/etc. didn't feel too foreign. But all in all I had basically about 10 months of serious coding experience before getting a job in programming, which so far has been honestly great, and I'm working on serious projects. I'm also making exactly twice as much as I was making when I lived in NYC, except I'm in a lower COL area now. It worked for me, and if you have the discipline and interest to stick through the thing, it can work for you.
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Mar 6, 2018 23:22
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Capri Sun Tzu posted:especially if you can knock together some personal projects that prove you can code. This is the step I have been on for the past couple of years (e: except with a math degree). Every time I think what I have is good enough, I end up going back to the drawing board to keep polishing or make new things to put on the CV because, just as with life in general, nobody cares.
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RCarr posted:How plausible is it to go from basically zero coding knowledge, to completing a coding bootcamp and actually getting a decent job? I went to a bootcamp about five years ago, was one of the better students in the class, and I got a job a month or so afterward. I have a four-year degree in something unrelated to technology. Bootcamps will teach you practical skills, but interviews often focus on the technical fundamentals. By this I mean -- when I went to the bootcamp, I learned plenty about how to write code using a language and framework called Ruby on Rails. I could produce working software, by some definition of "working", and I learned the basics. But from the tech side, I learned nothing about what algorithmic complexity is, nothing about advanced data structures like queues or stacks (let alone linked lists or trees), no examples of algorithms which are commonly asked in interviews, and many other things. So I would say that a bootcamp is a rather incomplete education. There are inexpensive resources which can teach you these things, but it's a lot of effort even compared to the bootcamp. The industry is also different than it was when I started. Front-end development is a lot more complicated than it was before the rise of front-end frameworks/libraries like Angular and React. (By front-end I mean "stuff that happens in your browser", broadly speaking, as opposed to "stuff that happens on a server".) I would guess that bootcamp curriculum has evolved in some way to handle this, but I don't really know.
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I went to app academy last July and I'm starting a fullstack job next week. A/a puts a lot of emphasis on algos, big O, and whiteboarding that it seems others don't. Probably 65% to 70% of my cohort have jobs by now and the main thing that got people jobs faster was an ivy league equivalent bachelors no matter what the degree was in. Otherwise it seems pretty luck based and how willing you are to network. I'd suggest learning some stuff on your own first like CS50 and if you persevere you can definitely change careers.
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Mar 6, 2018 23:43
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definitely take cs50x before you drop cash on a boot camp
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The program I did also taught algorithms/data structures, interviewing techniques, and networking advice. Most bootcamps these days should absolutely offer that and if they don't it's a massive red flag. Definitely do CS50 first. That's what clued me in to the possibility that I could do this. I didn't find any of problem sets particularly impossible. Some were challenging but doable with a few days of perseverance, but there are other people online who have been stuck on some of the simpler problem sets for months, so if you find that's the case, it might not hurt to have a re-think on this career move. Also I found the course and programming in general fun, and that has translated pretty well in a professional sense. I have a friend who tried doing the programming thing, went to NYU for a masters in CS, and ended up HATING programming, so it's definitely not everyone's cup of tea. Make sure you like or at least positively tolerate programming first before committing to any kind of program that costs significant amounts of money, please!
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I did a bootcamp and I feel ok about it. I really needed the structure and an outside force pushing me to do the thing, rather than relying on myself. Buuuuttt, a big caveat is, you have to hustle and really network/toss a ton of resumes out there because getting that first job is tough. Also don't get a nightmare job but that's true of anyone haha
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Fututor Magnus posted:it's not a high IQ club to be a working programmer. it's not long until programming is just another ordinary schmuck blue-collar job. That's not even logically consistent. You're saying programmers don't have, as a group, higher than average IQs, but then you say it will soon be done by "ordinary schmucks." It's not like this has never been studied. There are famous studies which list average IQ by profession or by college major, and programmers/computer science students are generally near the top, and definitely higher than average IQ.
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Mar 7, 2018 02:38
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RCarr posted:How plausible is it to go from basically zero coding knowledge, to completing a coding bootcamp and actually getting a decent job? I did a boot camp. I have a job as a developer now. You probably won't make 100k out the door, but that's fine. You'll probably have a rough 3-6 months of job search sending out 50+ applications a week and wondering why you did it. There's a non-zero chance you might *not* get a job, a real risk that bootcamps gloss over. All that said doing a bootcamp was one of the best decisions of my life. You don't have to be super smart, just have enough drive to kick though all the doors in your way. And a small measure of luck.
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Yeah I did about 850 applications to get my job. It does pay 95k plus 15% bonus so it was definitely worth it for me. Just know the job search part is incredibly stressful and make sure you have enough savings for it.
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Maed posted:Yeah I did about 850 applications to get my job. I feel bad for those starting out today. The amount of garbage we just have to weed through just to get to unqualified candidates is insane. There are hundreds of asshats that write scripts that just mass apply to every job you post. We posted 15 jobs. We got 8600 applicants. Most of them duplicate and triplicate+ and spam and unqualified.
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I am garbage
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B-Nasty posted:That's not even logically consistent. You're saying programmers don't have, as a group, higher than average IQs, but then you say it will soon be done by "ordinary schmucks." those "famous studies" tend to be hereditarian horseshit, or at least misused to further hereditarian and eugenic claims. it's not for no reason that eugenics, HBD, and biotruths in general have caught on amongst techbros. but again, i didn't claim there was no average IQ differences as discovered by a few hereditarian studies, whether "famous" or not. in fact, you're talking past my point, which was that IQ is not an actual measure of intelligence, and that "intelligence" as a metric of human cognitive ability is scientifically elusive, and we've found no biological correlates proving that intelligence is hereditary or even biologically determined. so when software engineers try to pass themselves off as a high IQ club, as you seem to be doing, that's self-aggrandizement and not scientifically verifiable claims. and yes, perhaps any ordinary schmuck can take up programming to some degree of aptitude, if you want to claim that it requires high IQ or some such nonsense then that's an empirical claim requiring empirical evidence. the same argument of certain groups having higher average IQ's either selected for or innate you can find in the bell curve, there's little practical difference between claiming that programmers are some higher intellectual caste and claiming that blacks are inherently dumb and inferior to whites, except for the racism i guess. baquerd posted:You seem to be confusing the general idea of writing code with a career in software engineering. There's a big swath of jobs that can be filled with mediocre people that will continually and increasingly become blue collar-esque before being automated, but there's also a big swath of jobs that need the top percentage of people executing well to succeed that will be made blue collar and automated extremely slowly if ever. the confusion exists in your imagination, "writing code" is an expansive loving grouping of careers and skills. but your thinking along the lines of "top percentage" and "mediocre people" is the same bell curve hereditarian bullshit, with smart successful (and mostly white) people representing an intellectual higher caste and the dirty smelly poors serving as the eternal bottom. perhaps you could say something about why you think only certain people become google engineers and why that makes them inherently superior geniuses.
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geeves posted:I feel bad for those starting out today. The amount of garbage we just have to weed through just to get to unqualified candidates is insane. There are hundreds of asshats that write scripts that just mass apply to every job you post. We posted 15 jobs. We got 8600 applicants. Most of them duplicate and triplicate+ and spam and unqualified. how do you sift through all that junk, and is there anything you can say about the process that can help out applicants, like how they can make their applications stand out. out of this number of applications, what percentage are candidates you can seriously consider? i.e. how much real competition does an honest applicant have, at least for the jobs you're interviewing for?
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Fututor Magnus posted:perhaps you could say something about why you think only certain people become google engineers and why that makes them inherently superior geniuses. The answer is quite clear: more money == better than Great post
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Eventually we’ll all lose our jobs to robots. You guys are wasting your breath
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