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iospace posted:That said, I heard the specific glitch for the recent gold rush was you could get credit for multiple missions at one base instead of having to travel to the others (which ok, fine, that's a legit bug there). At least Frontier said "if you made money that way, we won't take it away." I wish they fixed the stacking exploit, rather than just nuking the missions in their entirety. I was getting some $8M skimmer missions with maxed out rep, and I'd be quite happy to do them one at a time as the good lord intended. 
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I just made an unreasonable pile of cash on the skimmer gold rush, but my first 25 million were made in a week or so. I did some cheap missions for a bit and shot some bounties that were targeted by system defense patrols so it was low risk until I could afford some crappy exploration gear. Did an hour of that and had a few million, enough for the good exploration scanner. Did a few hours of exploring in a hauler, came back and got a few million more, but it was enough to buy a DBX and fit the discovery scan crap you need plus a fuel scoop. Then I roads to riches’d for a few evenings and a Saturday while watching olympics. Came home and turned that in to the tune of another 20 million. The real jump in income was realizing that scanning only the planets identified in the roads to riches app was worth my time.
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Mar 5, 2018 18:09
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I wish you could get a second character slot short of buying a second account. The early game ship progression is pretty fun, but not so fun that I'm willing to delete a billion credits in ships and credits to experience it again on this account.
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Mar 5, 2018 18:15
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Trustworthy posted:I wish they fixed the stacking exploit, rather than just nuking the missions in their entirety. I was getting some $8M skimmer missions with maxed out rep, and I'd be quite happy to do them one at a time as the good lord intended. Agreed. FDev can never seem to have a nuanced and minor response to anything. Kind of like Massacre missions, getting duplicate credit for kills was kind of a cheat. So that got fixed, But not content with that, they limited how many massacres you can take, then nerfed the mission payouts. Now It pays more to kill 12 skimmers than 30 ships.
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Mar 5, 2018 18:22
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I've never really read any guides or anything but think I started out with illegal goods missions as they paid a lot more than anything else I saw. After that I got a transporter and started transporting people. Just traded it in for a dolphin. I can move people like 15ly so 1 hop and make 1.5 million for it. I also do everything out of Tun.
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Yeah I would unironically due those skimmer missions one at a time for the &8 million vs modified embedded firmware gains. They aren’t hard and are fun because stuff explodes. This recent bubble was probably 10x more effective than the medb parutis grind, so I can only wonder how much more rediculous the next bubble will be.
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Trustworthy posted:I wish they fixed the stacking exploit, rather than just nuking the missions in their entirety. I was getting some $8M skimmer missions with maxed out rep, and I'd be quite happy to do them one at a time as the good lord intended. Yeah mission stacking and board hopping are what causes all of the big issues. Before these were discovered the worst "exploits" were things like hanging around a Farragut and letting it help you blow up pirates.
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Sekenr posted:My get rich long and hard way thing went like this: done missions in sidey until I could afford an adder, than someone posted a basic rares routine which allowed me to make MILLIONS (like 1 mil per long and tedious run) which blown my mind. I moved on to cobra, continued to do rares until I bought a type 6. That didn't last long, thankfully because there was a community goal which put AspX for 20% discount, so t6 + savings were enough to buy one. ... I've done a thousand courier missions for the Empire and killed a thousand skimmers for them too. I've surely donated a hundred million credits to the Federation along the way. I've shuttled thousands of passengers around Rhea, and taken hundreds to see the sights of the near galaxy. I've been to war and spent hours in intense conflict against an unrelenting enemy with endless ships. I can go anywhere and do anything I want in the galaxy now... except start a colony on Trappist 1 1 a by dropping close to 10,000 tons of slaves into a crater. SAD! I can't imagine how you're supposed to get a fully decked out Cutter, Anaconda, or something if you only relied on the payouts they've designed. The game economy just doesn't scale up that way. A *billion* dollar Cutter doesn't make money 100X faster than an AspX or Vulture at 8M credits, which doesn't make money 10X faster than my Cobra did, and the Cobra doesn't make money 10X faster than a Sidewinder. It just gets slower and slower and you're still doing the same things you were doing before but now can only land on a Large landing pad.
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CapnBry posted:I can't imagine how you're supposed to get a fully decked out Cutter, Anaconda, or something if you only relied on the payouts they've designed. The game economy just doesn't scale up that way. A *billion* dollar Cutter doesn't make money 100X faster than an AspX or Vulture at 8M credits, which doesn't make money 10X faster than my Cobra did, and the Cobra doesn't make money 10X faster than a Sidewinder. It just gets slower and slower and you're still doing the same things you were doing before but now can only land on a Large landing pad. I bought my Cutter by trading, from a T6, to a T7, to a T9. There was a big community goal payout of a couple hundred million at one point, and that let me finally purchase one. Then I used the Cutter to do trade routes until I could outfit it properly. There is a progression- at least in trading. In combat, not really. Then I reset my game. I went exploring in a barely upgraded Sidewinder and made it past Sag A* before returning home. Now I own an Anaconda from that adventure.
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Mar 5, 2018 18:47
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i've never had the mind to do the mathematics and optimization required to competently participate in commodity trading, in any sort of game that's offered it. if you're like me in that regard, eddb.io's got tools for generating trade routes/loops that will get you the most bang for your buck and you can remain incredibly stupid, like me
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Mar 5, 2018 19:12
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But how long does frontier expect you to grind or fly in the dark doing exploration before you can afford a Cutter or Anaconda? If a fully fit one is 500m, and a single mission gets you 5m, it’s 100 missions, non-stacked, at 10-15 minutes per mission (even a perfect set of board flips with missions in a single target system would make you take a few minutes of travel between locations given how the logarithmic slowdown to exit supercriise works). That means 16-17 hours of grind. (30m credits per hour is pretty dang quick, too) Doing roads to riches or whatever is even slower. Even the folks on the brown sea boasting about combat zone and bounty payouts are talking about 20-30m per hour. Again, we are looking at 15-20 hours for a 500m credit shop. And those 20-30m/hour setups are not instant to obtain. You have to grind for a while to get access to them, have to avoid losing your whole fortune by screwing up a rebuy or insurance coverage, etc. I guess I am too new to really complain, but I just feel like they need to figure out what their designed grind time looks like and stick to that. Edit: it’s a good point that trading at least can scale in that your income goes up over time pretty well. But what’s the income look like on a t9 trading loop per hour?
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Mar 5, 2018 19:15
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also a fully fit anaconda is probably more like 800m i think
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Arcturas posted:But how long does frontier expect you to grind or fly in the dark doing exploration before you can afford a Cutter or Anaconda? If a fully fit one is 500m, and a single mission gets you 5m, it’s 100 missions, non-stacked, at 10-15 minutes per mission (even a perfect set of board flips with missions in a single target system would make you take a few minutes of travel between locations given how the logarithmic slowdown to exit supercriise works). That means 16-17 hours of grind. (30m credits per hour is pretty dang quick, too) Doing roads to riches or whatever is even slower. Even the folks on the brown sea boasting about combat zone and bounty payouts are talking about 20-30m per hour. Again, we are looking at 15-20 hours for a 500m credit shop. And those 20-30m/hour setups are not instant to obtain. You have to grind for a while to get access to them, have to avoid losing your whole fortune by screwing up a rebuy or insurance coverage, etc. Don't forget about having rebuy money too.
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Mar 5, 2018 19:18
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Why didn't goons move to Damnclown's Funland in Sigma Hydri after Big Harry's didn't work out?
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[nevermind, answered the question via the google]
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Most of us are probably going to play for 1000+ hours anyway, so in that respect it means there is still stuff for us to have a goal towards. The money thing never bothered me, but I'm the kind of crazy person that enjoys the Sidewinder and Asp Scout.
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Mike the TV posted:Then I used the Cutter to do trade routes until I could outfit it properly. There is a progression- at least in trading. In combat, not really. I would say trading doesn't scale well though because 13.68M/hour with a 200M (base) ship versus 1.872M/hour in a 1.045M ship (type 6). 7.3 times the profit for 191 times the cost. A hauler can move 0.324M/hr for a 0.053M ship, 42 times the profit for 3774 times the cost. The amount that you can profit per ship cost is an exponential decay while at the same time the cost of the ship exponentially increases. One of the two of those should be linear or the bigger ships should have some sort of unique advantage to trade profits. It just never feels like there's much benefit beyond the 8M ship cost mark. I'm not complaining saying "Game is too hard" or anything because I like playing with all the different ships and flying around seeing things or shooting dudes, but being able to afford the larger ships feels like they should come with something that you can't get from the lower ships apart from 1/x^2 more profit. CapnBry fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Mar 5, 2018 |
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i mean, a larger ship doesn't mean a larger profit, in that you're correct. but really the main thing the larger ships come with that the smaller ships don't is large piles of armor, shields, and weapon slots. it's just a shame that doesn't translate to increasing your profit margins much.
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If you're the type of person into the voice logs and such in elite, this new scifi story podcast might be right up your alley https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/4/17036818/david-carlson-the-hycinth-disaster-science-fiction-podcast-pod-hunters
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I'm really glad I sucked it up and stayed up later than I planned to last night. Goal was 60 million (started at 3) and made it up to ~500 in the end. I'm not high enough for the Cutter/Anaconda but I can make it up to a decent Clipper.
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i mean i know we're talking about how inflated a-ranked stuff is but 500mil should be fine towards getting yourself a midrange anaconda
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EPIC fat guy vids posted:I'm really glad I sucked it up and stayed up later than I planned to last night. Hard same. I was going to go to bed at 800 million, but decided to make a couple more runs and pushed myself over 1 billion. That should be enough to last me until the next gold rush.
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Mar 5, 2018 21:15
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Coming from Eve, even 50 hours of grind to get to end-game content seems quaint.
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Cowcaster posted:i mean i know we're talking about how inflated a-ranked stuff is but 500mil should be fine towards getting yourself a midrange anaconda Honestly I haven't even started looking at those ships yet. Made myself a full A Cobra though, first real ship outfitting after my very lovely Eagle build for basic assassination missions  Looking forward to give it a run after work. Glad to know that I'm covered for a while though!
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Should take a look at outfitting a Python, too. It's an incredibly versatile medium ship perfect for use around the bubble . Highly prefer it over the 'Conda/Cutter for everything except their specific roles.
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CapnBry posted:An A-rated cutter is 957M just for core modules + shield with military composites, or 769M if the hull isn't upgraded. Given the 200M ship cost, let's say it takes 500-700M to upgrade the core. The best trade loop route I know of is about 5000 profit/ton, so let's call it 6000/ton. It can carry 760 tons and still have shields, so 4.56M per loop round trip with a loop being 20 minutes. 13.68M per hour means 36.5 hours or 51.2 hours with military composites. That's 51 straight hours of running a loop between two stations 3 jumps apart. Make sure you're paying attention too, because if you're only sort engaged and a loop takes you 30 minutes, that's 77 hours or about 2 weeks of full-time playing to outfit it. Yikes! Bingo. This is why bulk trading is a suckers bet. If someone is interested in being a space trucker, I think it's better profit per ton-hr to take delivery missions.
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CapnBry posted:An A-rated cutter is 957M just for core modules + shield with military composites, or 769M if the hull isn't upgraded. Given the 200M ship cost, let's say it takes 500-700M to upgrade the core. The best trade loop route I know of is about 5000 profit/ton, so let's call it 6000/ton. It can carry 760 tons and still have shields, so 4.56M per loop round trip with a loop being 20 minutes. 13.68M per hour means 36.5 hours or 51.2 hours with military composites. That's 51 straight hours of running a loop between two stations 3 jumps apart. Make sure you're paying attention too, because if you're only sort engaged and a loop takes you 30 minutes, that's 77 hours or about 2 weeks of full-time playing to outfit it. Yikes! I appreciate the math. My route was 1 jump with stations close to the star, so the round-trip took under 10 minutes, 8 minutes when I sped through it. 4.5M per loop, like you mention. I had a secondary route that was 3-4 jumps, but had about 6mil in profit thanks to powerplay. I also once went space-mad and tried to fill up my Cutter with farmed meta-alloys. I only got halfway before giving up from boredom, but it was an insane cash infusion.
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Man I was this close to booting up elite dangerous to get the rank or whatever to get that big huge fed ship rip.
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Rynoto posted:Should take a look at outfitting a Python, too. It's an incredibly versatile medium ship perfect for use around the bubble . I desperately want to NOT fly my python. I keep coming back to it because it's just so drat good and can land at outposts.
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Welp, might experiment with a Python tonight then. No pun intended.
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hakimashou posted:Man I was this close to booting up elite dangerous to get the rank or whatever to get that big huge fed ship rip. If rank is what you need, the system is still good for that even without the skimmer missions.
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Krycek posted:If rank is what you need, the system is still good for that even without the skimmer missions. I think he wanted the rep and the 100's of millions of credits too.
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hakimashou posted:Man I was this close to booting up elite dangerous to get the rank or whatever to get that big huge fed ship rip. same
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I got like 2 billion spacebux from a previous skimmer thing i just cant buy the big ship for lack of rank
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The last page or so put to words why I tend prefer medium-weight ships like the Python. It gets more or less the same done as the big ones do, at a fraction of the cost to purchase, upgrade and operate (read, pay the occasional rebuy). Plus I tend to like more maneuverable ships, they're just more fun to fly. On one hand, it's great that you don't have to have a giant fuckoff endgame ship to have fun and be effective. On the other, it kind of makes me hope the big ones were more... rewarding.
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hakimashou posted:I got like 2 billion spacebux from a previous skimmer thing i just cant buy the big ship for lack of rank Oh then there are a couple of stations you can go to and do data courier missions. With the new rank reward option it might go faster. https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/77zwrr/new_systems_for_empirefederation_rank_grind/ I did Dakondunii to Kamahu
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Drake_263 posted:The last page or so put to words why I tend prefer medium-weight ships like the Python. It gets more or less the same done as the big ones do, at a fraction of the cost to purchase, upgrade and operate (read, pay the occasional rebuy). Plus I tend to like more maneuverable ships, they're just more fun to fly. It would be cool if you could tow another one of your ships with your Anaconda to save on shipping costs.
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jubjub64 posted:It would be cool if you could tow another one of your ships with your Anaconda to save on shipping costs. I want to replace my 7A fighter bay with a small pad, tia
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My python is my go-to hauler because it can land at outposts. I love smuggling with it too, because gently caress your system rep, HAVE SLAVES FUCKOS
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It's in no way optimal but powerplaying with Zemina Torval is pretty fun just for the spreading imperial slavery over the galaxy for some mad profits.
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