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The Egyptian cat memes would reign supreme.
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Assyrian instagram is just skull piles all over.
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MikeCrotch posted:Which ancient civilisation would have the dankest memes if given access to the internet? it'd be the greeks
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Decius posted:I don't know his podcast and his exact argument, but the way you summed it up I find it unconvincing: Local parts of the empire had wars with one another long (centuries) before the time we set "The Fall of the West" (5th century) - we had three different Empires at times and it recovered back to one for a period. The movements of goods and people between the parts lasted far longer than what generally is still called the "Western Empire" - people and goods still moved from West to East, from Vandal controlled territory to Gothic controlled territory. All these local rulers tried very hard to fit themselves into the Roman administrative system, with Roman titles and Roman authority. Well now you're really getting into "what makes local population believe they are a part of political system?" When the Goths sacked Rome and the "West" fell as we understand it, the people living in Rome and in Italy didn't suddenly think of themselves as non-Roman anymore. Similarly, the people of Gothic Africa still felt allegiance to Rome after Imperial authority collapsed there. I'd argue that a power vacuum won't necessarily cause a change in ancient people's understanding of who they belong to. But vacuums eventually get filled either by local powers (see: Venice, Papal Rome) or by external expansionist powers (see: Carolingian France, Islamist Caliphate). But this process takes decades, if not centuries, to take root and change a population's allegiance and isn't guaranteed (see: Justinian's reconquest of most of the West, and why the Balkans are as screwy ethnically as they are).
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Phobophilia posted:Patrick Wyman's been insisting that what really defines the Roman empire was a constant movement of goods and people. So good innovations of the empire, like local specialization of production, infrastructure and public works, legal courts, all those things spread throughout the empire, without having to require direct intervention by the state as defined by the Imperial court. Isn't this just dumbed down Pirrene-ism?
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Grand Fromage posted:Provinces with legions were under direct imperial control for obvious reasons, as was Egypt because of its unique strategic importance. Egypt is different than all the other territory because it's the personal property of the emperor. The other provinces were under the control of governors who could be appointed by the senate. Yeah, but what kind of institutional inertia was there on the "imperial" side? There were a good few emperors who didn't seem like they bothered much with the particulars of provincial government.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:it'd be the greeks the Greeks would be extremely down with Tumblr all writing emotional poetry and/or being extremely cask strength gay
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MikeCrotch posted:Which ancient civilisation would have the dankest memes if given access to the internet? The Spartan sense of wit would lend itself well to memes.
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Every society is dank in its own special way
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MikeCrotch posted:Which ancient civilisation would have the dankest memes if given access to the internet? p dank
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"Halfdan was here" written in Norse runes on the balcony of the Hagia Sophia is my favorite old graffiti
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cheetah7071 posted:"Halfdan was here" written in Norse runes on the balcony of the Hagia Sophia is my favorite old graffiti if you like that there's a church in some college in england that's full of "[Soldier From Their Civil War] Was Here", it owns harder than the church does
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So Sulla, what a huge dickhead.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So Sulla, what a huge dickhead. also marius
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This is not the thread for the post I just made. - Graffiti, Pompeii.
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fantastic in plastic posted:The Spartan sense of wit would lend itself well to memes.
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The Spartans would slam a minion pic on every sweet laconic comeback
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SlothfulCobra posted:Yeah, but what kind of institutional inertia was there on the "imperial" side? There were a good few emperors who didn't seem like they bothered much with the particulars of provincial government. Depends on the situation of the province. If there was warfare going on, it was fairly normal for the emperor to take an active role or go to the province to command the legions there. If it was at peace, you'd probably have an imperially appointed governor, who if possible would be a family member or someone else in the imperial household who was (theoretically) less likely to take those local legions and cause trouble. On the extreme end you have guys like Hadrian who were always out managing provinces directly. And as Rome's importance declines you eventually get emperors who don't even bother going to the city and stay out in the provinces. There were places like Sardinia or Corsica which just weren't very important and governed themselves with rare interference from the imperial government, no matter what was going on.
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HEY GUNS posted:spartans tweet It is said that the Persians snapchat drunk but Facebook sober
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fantastic in plastic posted:It is said that the Persians snapchat drunk but Facebook sober the guy still talking about his low-digit ICQ number is an Egyptian
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cheetah7071 posted:"Halfdan was here" written in Norse runes on the balcony of the Hagia Sophia is my favorite old graffiti ‘Archon son of Amoibichos and Axe, son of Nobody wrote us’
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Grand Fromage posted:Depends on the situation of the province. If there was warfare going on, it was fairly normal for the emperor to take an active role or go to the province to command the legions there. If it was at peace, you'd probably have an imperially appointed governor, who if possible would be a family member or someone else in the imperial household who was (theoretically) less likely to take those local legions and cause trouble. Also depends a lot on the emperor. For every Diocletian who decides to give 100% to fixing everything even if everyone would have been better off leaving it alone, there were ten guys who got supreme power by the skin of their teeth and just didn’t want to rock the boat. By crisis time it’s not like it was easy to just start reorganizing administrations either. Romans in power made enemies and clung to power to avoid the trouble relinquishing it would bring. Often it was seen as preferable to purge your predecessor’s supporters rather than just sack them. Even your own clients certainly couldn’t be trusted absolutely. Aurelian and plenty of other guys got shanked because their subordinates thought they were about to get a pink slip.
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Egyptians: the best cat videos that you pretend to be above but secretly go aww widdle kitty; RIP mom/bff/cuddles forever in our hearts memorial pictures; generally super wholesome Athens: incredibly dank self-referential philosophy memes; terrible jpg-artifacted political propaganda; either gay porn everywhere or (for the straight minority) terrible misogynistic manosphere poo poo Sparta: sports sports sports; gun porn; epic twitter spats Romans: hoorah the legions; protecting my home and family with my tactical gladius; minions complaining about entitled slaves; Greek gay porn in browser history Byzantines: correct theology memes for monophysite teens making complex greek-aramaic puns on weird templates (2k likes), then millions of normies sharing "repost this if you're not ashamed of JESUS" Huns: just majestic horse photos all day like a teenage girl Norsemen: nature pics with motivational quotes; maritime pics with motivational quotes; me and the lads out having fun  ))Assyrians: rotten dot com Guildencrantz fucked around with this message at 09:28 on Mar 6, 2018 |
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Athens would be all kinds of MRA poo poo.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So Sulla, what a huge dickhead. Jazerus posted:also marius Yeah, they both ended up being pretty huge douchebags though I think Sulla certainly ended his career/life better than Marius did. All that said, I still can't even imagine the sheer joy and gobsmacked disbelief the Romans must have felt when word came back that Marius had wiped out the Teutones completely. It must have felt like divine intervention, something absolutely impossible that he not only pulled off, but with relatively small casualties/fatalities on the Roman side.
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HEY GUNS posted:bunch of vikings got russianized That's a bit too far-reaching a characterization of 'worked with them, took their poo poo and their gods, went home again." I think it makes a better case to say the proto-German/Dutch and Saami influenced them.
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Tias posted:That's a bit too far-reaching a characterization of 'worked with them, took their poo poo and their gods, went home again." What?
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Wikipedia gives the combined forces of the Tutones and the Cimbri as 3-500,000. How do that many people subsist when travelling without an exterior logistical set up? Is it just wholesale scorched earth in their wake? Any information on similar sized movements of people living of the land would be interesting and relevant.
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FAUXTON posted:there are Sumerian BBSes somehow still running Somewhere, Neal Stephenson got just a raging erection
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Vaginal Vagrant posted:Wikipedia gives the combined forces of the Tutones and the Cimbri as 3-500,000. How do that many people subsist when travelling without an exterior logistical set up? Is it just wholesale scorched earth in their wake? Those numbers are exaggerated, for one. Secondly, yes. Even with more realistic numbers those groups had to keep on the move and devastated land they passed through until they settled down somewhere and started farming. That's one of the reasons why they had trouble. Sometimes you read about a nomad group wanting to pass through a territory to go somewhere else and this starting a war and you're like "well why not just let them pass through and not have all this trouble?" and other than distrust, a big reason is that devastation they leave.
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HEY GUNS posted:spartans tweet Assyrians blog elamites my space! Fo3 fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Mar 6, 2018 |
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Grand Fromage posted:Those numbers are exaggerated, for one. Secondly, yes. Even with more realistic numbers those groups had to keep on the move and devastated land they passed through until they settled down somewhere and started farming. That's one of the reasons why they had trouble. Sometimes you read about a nomad group wanting to pass through a territory to go somewhere else and this starting a war and you're like "well why not just let them pass through and not have all this trouble?" and other than distrust, a big reason is that devastation they leave. And the nomad group probably just devastated the direction they came from, so turning around isn't an option for them.
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The Greeks would be fans of those hour long Youtube videos where some self declared philosopher rants about the decline of masculinity and so on. Think Stephen Molyneux. Plato probably went around screaming "Not an argument", honestly.
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As a queer man there will always be a special place in my heart for all the pompeiian grafittiers who were like "weeping be unto you, all women, for the cock of flavius shall now find no home but the asses of men"
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Grand Fromage posted:Those numbers are exaggerated, for one. Secondly, yes. Even with more realistic numbers those groups had to keep on the move and devastated land they passed through until they settled down somewhere and started farming. That's one of the reasons why they had trouble. Sometimes you read about a nomad group wanting to pass through a territory to go somewhere else and this starting a war and you're like "well why not just let them pass through and not have all this trouble?" and other than distrust, a big reason is that devastation they leave. Do you have a more realistic estimate? I take it these numbers we're talking are the entire tribes including non combatants? What's your opinion on wiki's 150,000 Roman soldiers? Also exaggerated? Thanks a bundle!
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Societies with high mortality rates tend to be about 50% children. Then of course about 50% of the adults are women, and some percentage of the adult men are non combatants for one reason or another. Probably assuming 15-20% of the listed population size as the army size is reasonable, assuming the population size is even accurate.
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MikeCrotch posted:Which ancient civilisation would have the dankest memes if given access to the internet? the spartans would undoubtedly dominate Twitter with their laconic wit and sick burns
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