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If a Matt Bruenig article gets editorialized to the point where it has no original parts, is it still the same Matt Bruenig article?
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# ? Mar 5, 2018 21:30 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Well America is the world's only superpower right now, and we're as liberal as an empire's ever been. not until we let a horse in the senate we aren't
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# ? Mar 5, 2018 21:32 |
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when you're too radical for the new york times
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# ? Mar 5, 2018 21:32 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Well America is the world's only superpower right now, and we're as liberal as an empire's ever been. I guess for the foreseeable future as well. I mean is China the only country that could obtain superpower status in fifty years?
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# ? Mar 5, 2018 21:33 |
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god i could see them hiring nathan robinson, which would suck rear end
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# ? Mar 5, 2018 21:39 |
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GalacticAcid posted:god i could see them hiring nathan robinson, which would suck rear end admittedly him having an editor would be good because he has good points hidden in his 10,000 word Current Affairs pieces, but holy poo poo his personality is contrived, annoying, terrible, and another adjective. but then again this is the NYT, who employs 100 Zios and Lindy West
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# ? Mar 5, 2018 21:55 |
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punk rebel ecks posted:I guess for the foreseeable future as well. I mean is China the only country that could obtain superpower status in fifty years? IMO China and to a lesser extent India have the economy to do this, but will be beset by such horrific environmental problems that China in particular is likely to be destroyed by them Though it depends on your def. The superpower thing happened with the polarization of the world behind two different states. China has nukes and a permanent seat on the security counsel, and is one of if not the largest nation on earth by several measures.
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# ? Mar 5, 2018 22:04 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Well America is the world's only superpower right now, and we're as liberal as an empire's ever been. Nebakenezzer posted:IMO China and to a lesser extent India have the economy to do this, but will be beset by such horrific environmental problems that China in particular is likely to be destroyed by them
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# ? Mar 5, 2018 22:39 |
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spitballing here, there's a joke hiding in there somewhere...
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# ? Mar 5, 2018 22:40 |
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A Buttery Pastry posted:China's got issues, but India is set to be hit much harder by climate change. It might not be great to live in China, but its not like countries haven't survived terrible air/water quality before. Meanwhile, disruptions to the food supply are like the number one source of revolutions. You might be right - climate change in places that have extreme water shortages today is not going to be a fun time. A wise Canadian poet once wrote "without water there is nothing, not even tea." I think both those places are going to learn that the really hard way
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# ? Mar 5, 2018 22:49 |
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zeal posted:not until we let a horse in the senate we aren't he represented Massachusetts from 1985 to 2013
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# ? Mar 5, 2018 22:49 |
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Which is why its liberals can't be convincingly nationalist, because the world order they champion is internationalist. Well, I suppose if they copied the French example but applied it to the entire would they could, since it'd be a competing inclusive vision of nationalism. This is neoconservatism in a nutshell -- remove all socialist and/or totalitarian power by force, under the assumption that a market-friendly secular atomized society is what everyone basically wants. Curiously, the Iraqis didn't agree.
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# ? Mar 5, 2018 23:34 |
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Which is why its liberals can't be convincingly nationalist, because the world order they champion is internationalist. Well, I suppose if they copied the French example but applied it to the entire would they could, since it'd be a competing inclusive vision of nationalism. America generally acts as if everyone is basically exactly like us anyways. I’d also argue that Republicans already fit the bill for “liberal nationalists”, and that even the internationalist form in neoconservatives visualize a world where every country is basically just like America the really insidious thing about nationalism is that when you assume your culture is already the best, then you can’t help but try to transform everything you control into another version of yourself. France and Britain for instance still control overseas territories which are considered integral parts of the nation. a global order that transcends nationalism was a dialectical process of the Cold War, but without any great Other for the capitalist world to compete against the field is open for liberal nationalism to make a comeback.
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# ? Mar 5, 2018 23:36 |
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What about Brasil being a world power?
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# ? Mar 6, 2018 00:30 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:You could argue the British were fairly liberal too, by deed if not tradition or the letter of the law. How many Indians and Irish must starve before a state is properly liberal
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# ? Mar 6, 2018 00:40 |
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Grand Prize Winner posted:How many Indians and Irish must starve before a state is properly liberal those indians and irish not starving would have Interfered With The Free Market, extremely liberal
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# ? Mar 6, 2018 00:44 |
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id say america is about as bad as the british empire, which is to say, very bad indeed both intentionally shoot and starve lots of peeps both are inherently built on white supremacy, huge-scale looting and violence in fact u could even say the american hegemony is explicitely just a continuation/spin-off of the british empire
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# ? Mar 6, 2018 01:04 |
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finally a voice from the left https://twitter.com/shujaxhaider/status/970777670643527680
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# ? Mar 6, 2018 01:19 |
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bari furiously dialing up this person after seeing this to write a column https://twitter.com/davidklion/status/970798784707026946
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# ? Mar 6, 2018 01:34 |
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:bari furiously dialing up this person after seeing this to write a column lol a "scam" this is explicitly what it's been about since forever. nice take twitter guy
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# ? Mar 6, 2018 02:33 |
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punk rebel ecks posted:What about Brasil being a world power? lmbo
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# ? Mar 6, 2018 02:41 |
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:results from kevin dumb’s poll didnt include felix, abstained
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# ? Mar 6, 2018 03:00 |
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jeet heer lmao
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# ? Mar 6, 2018 03:19 |
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Troy Queef posted:admittedly him having an editor would be good because he has good points hidden in his 10,000 word Current Affairs pieces, but holy poo poo his personality is contrived, annoying, terrible, and another adjective. too bad his editor at nyt would be terrible
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# ? Mar 6, 2018 03:24 |
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Shear Modulus posted:jeet heer lmao
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# ? Mar 6, 2018 03:25 |
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LinYutang posted:lol a "scam" this is explicitly what it's been about since forever. nice take twitter guy Here is an exhaustive list of zionists that would have israel withdraw from the west bank if they hadn't fallen for the "scam":
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# ? Mar 6, 2018 03:31 |
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hi https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/05/world/middleeast/saudi-women-drivers.html quote:‘Oh My God’ Turns to ‘Yay Me’ as Saudi Women Practice Driving
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# ? Mar 6, 2018 03:45 |
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Zoran posted:I want the failing new york times to hire Matt Bruenig just to see all the twitter dipshits’ heads pop Corey Robin deserves the job, he's really great. Hayes is the only one with enough establishment prestige to ever get it though. Bruenig would produce the best furious lib reaction
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# ? Mar 6, 2018 03:51 |
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quote:Another wanted a Mercedes, “like my dad.” Am I correct in assuming most of these women are probably from rich families? My gut instinct is that this is the sort of article where most of the people interviewed/profiled are from the upper class. Sheng-Ji Yang posted:didnt include felix, abstained If you combine Elizabeth and Matt Bruenig's votes they win!
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# ? Mar 6, 2018 03:58 |
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Ytlaya posted:Am I correct in assuming most of these women are probably from rich families? My gut instinct is that this is the sort of article where most of the people interviewed/profiled are from the upper class. the underclass in saudi arabia are largely migrant slaves (and women without male benefactors, who I'm sure are downright thrilled that they can now drive but not have actual rights) so this is a fair bet
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# ? Mar 6, 2018 04:04 |
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liz bruenig is already a columnist at wapo best of the options in the poll imo would be brie joy and ryan cooper
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# ? Mar 6, 2018 04:16 |
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corey robin, dean baker and robert reich are of course far too qualified to get a job as a nyt columnist. they already made the mistake of hiring an academic who can authoritatively draw on academic economics and rebuke heritage and brookings claptrap once, and they're not making that mistake again
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# ? Mar 6, 2018 04:36 |
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disrupting a speech = burning people at the stake https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/970777445744947200
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# ? Mar 6, 2018 07:48 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:America generally acts as if everyone is basically exactly like us anyways. I’d also argue that Republicans already fit the bill for “liberal nationalists”, and that even the internationalist form in neoconservatives visualize a world where every country is basically just like America 1982 Subaru Brat posted:This is neoconservatism in a nutshell -- remove all socialist and/or totalitarian power by force, under the assumption that a market-friendly secular atomized society is what everyone basically wants.
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# ? Mar 6, 2018 08:51 |
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Huh, didn't think of it like that, but that's a fair point. A bit lacking on the complete homogenization front, compared to the French example, but they do push the non-region specific characteristics of American culture pretty heavily - which makes sense when you compare American history to French. So, I guess the answer is; these liberals longing for nationalism should just join the Republican party and support the neocon wing, since it has everything they want. Isn't that what the Democratic leadership did anyway
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# ? Mar 6, 2018 11:29 |
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imagine bari weiss trying to survive the world as someone who isn't a white woman if she thinks no-platforming is as bad as burning someone to death
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# ? Mar 6, 2018 13:45 |
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the whole "liberal free markets" thing is just code for smashing up a country and robbing it, so not particularly different from the last few thousand years of imperialism they actually don't care/want, say, iran to become like the US, they want it's institutions to be so weak it can't stand in the way of corporate exploitation and asset stripping (wait actually that would make it more like the US) that the propaganda portrays this as a modernising, civilising effort is also not remotely new
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# ? Mar 6, 2018 14:33 |
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https://twitter.com/BenjySarlin/status/971017085076852736
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# ? Mar 6, 2018 14:39 |
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patiently awaiting bari’s response to this https://twitter.com/annamerlan/status/971003484316332033
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# ? Mar 6, 2018 16:15 |
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lol https://twitter.com/cushbomb/status/971034390317928451
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