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What surprised me about the south-north divide is that in small towns (<5000) in the south the Democrats actually did quite well in 2013. I would've expected conservatism to increase inversely to municipality size.
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I Love Annie May posted:Renzi's resignation 2.0: this time it's For Real. Good loving riddance, this is 100% his fault. Pro-tip for the future: when you've enacted some wildly unpopular policies and elections are up, don't smugly talk down to the electorate.
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The only thing I'm sad about is that it looks like +Europa might not get a single seat in parliament  I still like you, Emma, even if no one else does.
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Didn't italy have a relatively strong communist movement? Whered those voters go?
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Mikl posted:The only thing I'm sad about is that it looks like +Europa might not get a single seat in parliament The one Italian I know voted for her, so you're not entirely alone.
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Mikl posted:The only thing I'm sad about is that it looks like +Europa might not get a single seat in parliament Their economic programme was based on freezing public expenditure and cutting down on collective bargaining, among the more progressive parts on social rights. E: I forgot, also slashing business income taxes and increasing VAT on all the categories for which it is lower (generally essentials like food, medicine etc) Frankly, I can't feel much sadness over this. It's too bad that everyone else who got a seat is even wackier out of their minds. mortons stork fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Mar 5, 2018 |
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Shibawanko posted:Didn't italy have a relatively strong communist movement? Whered those voters go? You know how in the 2016 US elections many Bernie supporters didn't vote for Hillary simply out of spite? As I've said before, Renzi has an uncanny knack for making everyone hate him. He set himself up as Lord and Master of PD, and if you look at all his public appearances you can see he's not talking with people or even to people, he's talking at people. Of course this doesn't excuse the party members who left the party, sulking all the way. loving challenge Renzi for leadership. That's the purpose of primary elections. Look at this. The latest PD primary election was Renzi vs two people who, if you heard their name, you'd go "Who the gently caress is that?", and he still only got 70% of delegate votes. At this point we'll never know how things would have turned out, but what if someone more credible (Grasso, for instance) had challenged Renzi? Hindsight is 20/20, and now we're looking at a possible crypto-fascist government as a consequence.
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Mikl posted:You know how in the 2016 US elections many Bernie supporters didn't vote for Hillary simply out of spite? Why didn't anyone vote for potere al popolo though?
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Shibawanko posted:Why didn't anyone vote for potere al popolo though? It was formed 3 months ago, and due to being a hard left party got next to no positive attention from the media. Still, if any of you wants to get a clear picture of the Italian political scenery, read this article https://nplusonemag.com/online-only/online-only/sordid-predictable-doomed/
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Shibawanko posted:Didn't italy have a relatively strong communist movement? Whered those voters go? The actual Communist Party hasn’t existed for 30 years, it disbanded and many of its voters and politicians moved into a new centrist Third Way party which was the origin of Renzi’s party that just imploded. There were people who stayed separate and to the left of that party but they didn’t have the same support that the postwar Communists did
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NooOOoo!! Not Renzi, not my sensible centre!
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Mikl posted:You know how in the 2016 US elections many Bernie supporters didn't vote for Hillary simply out of spite? this happened but put it into context - 10% Bernie->Trump 2016 vs 25% Clinton->McCain 2008 - and it doesn't look that bad
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Bunch of goverments going far right,meanwhile in brussels *crickets*. Im not even joking; in 5,10 years the hammer is gonna come down hard,either from the far left (unlikely) or far right (very likely).its going to make 2018 look like utopia.
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B-b-b-b-b-but Emmanuel Macron...
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ChainsawCharlie posted:Bunch of goverments going far right,meanwhile in brussels *crickets*. I don't see what they can really do about it without overstepping legal boundaries. I do think Macron's kinda poo poo though, just so I don't get accused of being a filthy centrist. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Mar 6, 2018 |
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A United States of Europe might be worth it just to see what the campaigns look like.
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Inescapable Duck posted:A United States of Europe might be worth it just to see what the campaigns look like.
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The time has come for a Basil Fawlty candidacy.
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Inescapable Duck posted:A United States of Europe might be worth it just to see what the campaigns look like. Kind of like those euronews segments where they provide no commentary.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Looking forward to seeing some French candidate do a proper pan-European campaign entirely in French, and a German candidate doing theirs in English but only in Germany. Unfortunately, there'll be no British campaign that attempts to greet people in their local language, but constantly mix them up or make entirely inappropriate and counter-historical jokes about WW2. Corbyn would probably poll in a perfect spectrum of super popular in the north-west of Europe and flaming dogshit by the time you get to Visegrad... although he might pull it back by the Balkans.
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Tesseraction posted:Corbyn would probably poll in a perfect spectrum of super popular in the north-west of Europe and flaming dogshit by the time you get to Visegrad... although he might pull it back by the Balkans. Why would you say that? North-West Europe has been doing fine electing nice comfortable neoliberals for decades.
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Namarrgon posted:Why would you say that? North-West Europe has been doing fine electing nice comfortable neoliberals for decades.
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So apparently the Catalonian police force was caught by the Spanish police force burning documents that prove their collaboration in organising the Referendum, including passing information to politicians (say, the movements of the national police) through unofficial channels an ignoring orders from judges about closing up voting places before the referendum. BUT, the big news piece is that among the documents was an order to imprison two young people that tried to flirt with a Catalan policeman by offering him a job in a made up "catalonian CIA". He would have to spy on pro-Spain politicians, and the perks included an out of books (low) salary, a new flat and judges' help in case of any legal problem. The cop reported them and they were arrested. Which proves that people are equally stupid everywhere and nationalism is dumb.
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Tesseraction posted:Corbyn would probably poll in a perfect spectrum of super popular in the north-west of Europe and flaming dogshit by the time you get to Visegrad... although he might pull it back by the Balkans. What do you think, is that because the slavs, unlike their "north-western" (blond and blue-eyed?) neighbours, are not enlightened enough to recognize the true messiah of the 21st century or is it because they have somewhat recent experience with what socialism looks like in real life?
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goethe42 posted:What do you think, is that because the slavs, unlike their "north-western" (blond and blue-eyed?) neighbours, are not enlightened enough to recognize the true messiah of the 21st century or is it because they have somewhat recent experience with what socialism looks like in real life? Ah yes, noted non-Slavic region the Balkans.
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goethe42 posted:What do you think, is that because the slavs, unlike their "north-western" (blond and blue-eyed?) neighbours, are not enlightened enough to recognize the true messiah of the 21st century or is it because they have somewhat recent experience with what socialism looks like in real life? It's because we're as dumb as anyone else and as such barely capable of understanding the meaning of "nuance" let alone incorporating it into our worldview (except when the advantages of it are both direct and ours).
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I assume it is on purpose that the whole image resembles some form of pathogen.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:That was true for the UK too though. Who knows who people would vote for, if they too were offered an alternative that wasn't just a neoliberal soundbite machine. Varoufakis shall rise again.
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Tesseraction posted:Corbyn would probably poll in a perfect spectrum of super popular in the north-west of Europe and flaming dogshit by the time you get to Visegrad... although he might pull it back by the Balkans. Visegrad would eat up a candidate that would promise
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Orange Devil posted:Varoufakis shall rise again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZNwdcESn90 it's really hard to pinpoint any significant meaningful moments in the UKs rapid political shift but watching him destroy 7 years of dogma in under a minute was incredibly satisfying, and "magic money tree" was the final argument being used before the whole ridiculous idea died
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I would no joke vote for a Zizek/Varoufakis ticket and I don't even want to know what kind of terrible mistakes you are making with your life if you wouldn't.
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Once again I ask, should I be making preparations for me to have to return to Portugal in the next 5 to 10 years due to a potential EU collapse or at the very least avoid getting roots in the Netherlands, in which I currently reside?
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AceOfFlames posted:Once again I ask, should I be making preparations for me to have to return to Portugal in the next 5 to 10 years due to a potential EU collapse or at the very least avoid getting roots in the Netherlands, in which I currently reside? No. You should go outside, go for a walk, breathe, and get some sun instead. Nothing is going to collapse. Pluskut Tukker fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Mar 6, 2018 |
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Mar 6, 2018 15:43
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Even if the EU collapsed I don't think a Portuguese peep would have much issue in the Netherlands. (And the EU won't collapse.)
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AceOfFlames posted:Once again I ask, should I be making preparations for me to have to return to Portugal in the next 5 to 10 years due to a potential EU collapse or at the very least avoid getting roots in the Netherlands, in which I currently reside? Portugal is going to be a shithole in the next 5 to 10 years, regardless of EU collapsing or not, so dig those roots deep and be a good tuga immigrant and forget about Portugal.
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Mar 6, 2018 15:48
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Someone doubts the glory of Premier Costa. That's a gulag for you bucko.
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Pluskut Tukker posted:No. You should go outside, go for a walk, breathe, and get some sun instead. Nothing is going to collapse.
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Way shittier institutions than the EU have survived for way longer than the EU so I'm not sure where the fear of an imminent collapse is coming from
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Prague outraged by communist goon appointment Ok which one of you goons is this
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