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cis autodrag posted:China doesn't let you make satellite or street imagery of their territory available outside China. There's a legally mandated formula for the distortion you is apply to any map of China you show to a user outside China. Ohh, is that why the streets are hosed nine ways to Sunday on Google Maps for China? The satellite+road map overview feature does not work at all, and it has been broken for many years (as long as I can remember having checked). To see what I mean, go literally anywhere in China, go to satellite view, and make sure roads are overlaid. They will only be vaguely approximately close. I always wondered how Google could have such a long-term and gaping flaw. One other thing that always bothered me is how wrong Google Maps is about Algeria. I've reported like 50 errors there, two different times, and they haven't loving fixed it. Like google "Reggane" or "In Amguel". It takes you to some sandpatch in the middle of nowhere hundreds of kilometers from the town*. Any city that has the same name as a province, the city is labeled in the geographic middle of the province. It pisses me off so much that they won't correct it. Oddly they DID correct Tamanrasset, but they would not correct any of the others I submitted. *I almost wonder if it's an rear end in a top hat's in-joke, like "it's loving southern Algeria, everything is a sandpatch in the middle of nowhere, who cares if our city marker is off by hundreds of kilometers".
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Saladman posted:Ohh, is that why the streets are hosed nine ways to Sunday on Google Maps for China? The satellite+road map overview feature does not work at all, and it has been broken for many years (as long as I can remember having checked). drat, this looks cool on the border with Russia:   The Amur itself and islands within it, even those wholly within in China, are accurate. Everything else is shifted to the NNE, resulting in this border transgression.
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Grape posted:So Normal Germans and Arnold Germans are weirdos about privacy laws apparently. They have this really weird thing where they aren't ok with the state knowing too much about who you are and where you live, for some reason. Guavanaut posted:Before distortion: Should've included Tibet in the joke imo.
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Orange Devil posted:They have this really weird thing where they aren't ok with the state knowing too much about who you are and where you live, for some reason. It's not really about the state (you are legally required to inform your local municipality of your new address if you move, within two weeks of moving). I think it's mostly a strong desire for privacy with respect to how you live. Sure, anyone could drive to your street and silently judge you for owning garden gnomes, but if they do that, then at least the retirees stooped over their windowsill on a pillow can glare back. It can't be only that, because you also find blurred out tenement buildings that would be virtually anonymous (and provide no information to prospective burglars), so I guess there also has to be a bit of "gently caress you, Gugel" in there.
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Smirr posted:drat, this looks cool on the border with Russia: It is most obvious on the borders with Hong Kong and Macau, since both sides are developed - the distortion "eats" the border facilities and neighbourhoods on the Mainland side.
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cis autodrag posted:China doesn't let you make satellite or street imagery of their territory available outside China. There's a legally mandated formula for the distortion you is apply to any map of China you show to a user outside China. Is there some reasoning behind why would they do this?
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5000 years of not allowing maps on the Internet
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Craptacular posted:Is there some reasoning behind why would they do this?
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mobby_6kl posted:National security bullshit, I think the Soviets used to love this kind of stuff as well There are also areas of China that foreigners can be detained for being in. Not obvious stuff like installations but whole counties that aren't marked as such. China still has that insane, communist era obsession with secrecy.
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This map has the best color scheme. Map of countries with IKEA stores Blue: Current market locations Yellow: Future market locations
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mobby_6kl posted:National security bullshit, I think the Soviets used to love this kind of stuff as well It'd be one thing for the Soviets to do this in the 1950's, but it seems like it'd just be a waste of time trying to prevent western governments (presumably who's being targeted here) from gaining any info, today.
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Carbon dioxide posted:This map has the best color scheme. Wtf, Baltics and New Zealand don't have Ikea?
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It was an innocent-enough mistake - Ikea's first corporate map didn't include NZL.
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Orange Devil posted:Wtf, Baltics and New Zealand don't have Ikea? Yeah, all Baltics do not have IKEA so moving back here was an exercise in frustration wrt getting a decent desk. Lithuania did recently open first IKEA in the region, as far as I know.
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Orange Devil posted:They have this really weird thing where they aren't ok with the state knowing too much about who you are and where you live, for some reason. Truly "the state" is foiled by being unable to see the front lawn of people's houses in Google Maps. No seriously though this is really dumb.
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Orange Devil posted:Wtf, Baltics and New Zealand don't have Ikea? I believe they've been in a legal fight with the New Zealand government for years because New Zealand didn't want an invasion of foreign products. I know there's at least one country that's been actively fighting Ikea for years, forgot which one it was though.
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Carbon dioxide posted:I believe they've been in a legal fight with the New Zealand government for years because New Zealand didn't want an invasion of foreign products. I know there's at least one country that's been actively fighting Ikea for years, forgot which one it was though. Is that why? The impression I got was that NZ retailers use the "poo poo, we're such a remote island that of COURSE things you see everywhere else for cheap are EXPENSIVE as gently caress here! Just THINK of the DISTANCE!" IKEA might not play silly games like that, and they'd ruin the hefty profit margin enjoyed by NZ retailers. Brings to mind a story about a woman who imported a stove by calling around and making arrangements at this export harbor and that import/customs receiving dock and ended up well ahead of the retail price for the same object sold by a NZ retailer.
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What's the smallest market with an IKEA? Iceland? In North America they only put stores in metro areas of 2 million or more - which is why the closest IKEAs to Syracuse, New York are Burlington, Ontario (210 miles) and Paramus, New Jersey (238 miles).
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2 million isn't quite right, at least in Canada, because Calgary, Edmonton, and Halifax all have stores.
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I think an administrative division below the country level would be more helpful here. For example, there actually isn't any Ikea in French Guyana. But since it's at the country level, I'm the Independent Alexander Archipelago.
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Carbon dioxide posted:This map has the best color scheme.  Craptacular posted:It'd be one thing for the Soviets to do this in the 1950's, but it seems like it'd just be a waste of time trying to prevent western governments (presumably who's being targeted here) from gaining any info, today. Orange Devil posted:Wtf, Baltics and New Zealand don't have Ikea?
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Grape posted:Truly "the state" is foiled by being unable to see the front lawn of people's houses in Google Maps. OK alternate explanation. Germany is really concerned about keeping their sex dungeons private. Same goes for Austria except those have a lot less consent and more family members.
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Carbon dioxide posted:This map has the best color scheme. In NZ back in 2008, they lost a court case (presumably appealing a local body decision) where the court decided that the proposed store would generate too much traffic for the development they were trying to occupy. There's nothing really stopping them from trying again though. I once got told that the local chains own a lot of prime locations to prevent other competitors like walmart moving in, but I'm a bit dubious of that due to the sheer amount of land they'd need to own. They're certainly not averse to harassing each other legally over the location of new stores. There is one place in Auckland parallel importing a dribble of their furniture though! Can't say I think it would be worth another 300 big box stores for the sake of some flat pack furniture, whether it's cool and good or not. Although anecdotally a huge amount of people would be absolutely fine with it. E: lol at the techbros mad about greenies stomping on their flatpack furniture https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=48&topicid=19174 Jaguars! fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Mar 7, 2018 |
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Orange Devil posted:OK alternate explanation. Germany is really concerned about keeping their sex dungeons private. Same goes for Austria except those have a lot less consent and more family members. I find it funny that the Swiss, featuring allegedly the most anal retentive Germans of Germandom, apparently don't share whatever issue this is.
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Carbon dioxide posted:This map has the best color scheme. im the ikea in guyane française
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Baronjutter posted:gently caress germany's reactionary "privacy" fears of street view. Even in the places it is available, half the buildings are blurred out. Streets/buildings are in the public view, anyone can take a picture of them. that's good, in my opinion
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Craptacular posted:Is there some reasoning behind why would they do this? It's partially national security and partially keeping western companies from competing with local map vendors. In Russia you have to use Russian GPS satellites to provide navigation for similar reasons.
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Grape posted:I find it funny that the Swiss, featuring allegedly the most anal retentive Germans of Germandom, apparently don't share whatever issue this is.
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Samog posted:that's good, in my opinion I cover up the entire outside of my house with tarp so passersby can't ogle it
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Privacy is overrated. Everything from how much you earn to how your bathroom looks should be public info.
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 Power grid of the ENTSO-E, European Network of Transmission System Operators for Electricity.
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A surprise that Ikea has stores in the Dominican Republic but nowhere else in the Caribbean or South America. Are they some sort of testbed/pilot project for the region?Edgar Allen Ho posted:im the ikea in guyane française I'm Greenland considered separate from Denmark. Kopijeger fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Mar 7, 2018 |
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Kopijeger posted:A surprise that Ikea has stores in the Dominican Republic but nowhere else in the Caribbean or South America. Are they some sort of testbed/pilot project for the region? iirc dominican republic is one of the stronger if not strongest economies in the caribbean so if you were going to expand in that region they'd be a good first pick
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Chicken posted:2 million isn't quite right, at least in Canada, because Calgary, Edmonton, and Halifax all have stores. In Spain, there is a full location for a metropolitan area with roughly 400,000 people (the province has ~530,000) and a pick-up and order location for a metropolitan area with 320,000 (the community has ~640,000) so it seems like they try for around half a million people within reasonable reach.
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King Hong Kong posted:In Spain, there is a full location for a metropolitan area with roughly 400,000 people (the province has ~530,000) and a pick-up and order location for a metropolitan area with 320,000 (the community has ~640,000) so it seems like they try for around half a million people within reasonable reach. Turns out the "2 million" comment was made almost ten years ago, and given the pick-up locations maybe they're experimenting with smaller communities (and just don't like upstate New York).
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Whiz Palace posted:What's the smallest market with an IKEA? Iceland? In North America they only put stores in metro areas of 2 million or more - which is why the closest IKEAs to Syracuse, New York are Burlington, Ontario (210 miles) and Paramus, New Jersey (238 miles). There's one store in the Reykjavík area and it's always mobbed since they have some of the lowest prices in the city. It does good business and they were considering adding a second location in Akureyri but decided not to due to the prohibitively high shipping costs. Right now the countries only supporting single stores are: Iceland Kuwait Slovakia Romania Cyprus Ireland Dominican Republic Bulgaria Thailand Macau Egypt Qatar Jordan Croatia Indonesia Morocco Serbia
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IKEA first came to Iceland in 1981 when there were only 230k Icelanders (living in Iceland at least, there's a bit of a diaspora in Scandinavia and Canada).Kopijeger posted:I'm Greenland considered separate from Denmark. Greenland has home rule and have been slowly transferring more power from Denmark to the Greenlandic government since 2009. The Danish still have control of the defense and foreign affairs of Greenland but most of the internal governance is done by Greenlanders and even this has some complications since Greenland hasn't been a part of the EU since the mid 80s. The Faroe Islands are pretty similar and this caused some problems when they got into a dispute with the UK over fishing rights and were put under sanctions by the EU. They then sued EU to the WTO but since the Faroe Islands don't have direct control over their foreign affairs Denmark had to handle it meaning a EU nation had to sue the EU on behalf of a non-EU colony. French Guyana on the other hand is, at least according to the French, just another part of France no less so then Paris itself and is a part of the EU.
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Ornamental Dingbat posted:There's one store in the Reykjavík area and it's always mobbed since they have some of the lowest prices in the city. 
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mobby_6kl posted:I was trying to remember where was the most ridiculous Ikea location that I saw and that has to be Macau, their total population is like 600k and I doubt mainlanders are buying many sofas with their casino winnings. It's right next to their enormous tower too. Yeah, Iceland has a smaller population but they eat that stuff up- they'll drive 10 hours across the country to get their hands on a Söderhamn chair, not sure if it has the same allure in Macau.
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