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UrbanLabyrinth posted:We can't wait until you find your first +1 longsword to see what it can do! is possibly the saddest, most D&D-as-Cargo-Cult line I've ever read from Paizo. Yeah that stood out as being a really weird thing to say. As someone who doesn't own any books, it seems from looking at the product line that this was pretty necessary, and I'm excited to see what they come up with. I personally think Golarion's more interesting than Forgotten Realms after it's been chopped up and put back together multiple times (even if it's very obviously imitation Forgotten Realms to start with), so getting an opportunity to hop in on the ground floor next year with what's hopefully a new and improved ruleset sounds great.
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If I can't play my favorite Delta Green campaign with Blades in the Dark, then what's even the point of buying elfgames?
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Sinteres posted:Yeah that stood out as being a really weird thing to say. Like, at least say Flaming Longsword or something.
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dwarf74 posted:Ettin please reopen grogstxt
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Mar 7, 2018 01:19
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I'm sympathetic to worrying that a game line is "dead", because it absolutely does become harder to push for games and find players for a game that isn't actively supported. On the other hand, "active support" is reserved only for the relative megabucks earners of this hobby which are uniformly not great, so whatever. Plus most of these people will probably be jumping on the new train in a year or two no matter what they say now.
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I mean, I'm pretty sure that the +1 Longsword comment is more a comment that they're intending to move more towards magic items with effects rather than magic items that just give plus bonuses
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Sampatrick posted:I mean, I'm pretty sure that the +1 Longsword comment is more a comment that they're intending to move more towards magic items with effects rather than magic items that just give plus bonuses Probably, it's just weird for the literal meaning to be the exact opposite of that.
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Mar 7, 2018 01:35
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Sinteres posted:a new and improved ruleset sounds great. You realize they promised backwards compatibility right
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Mar 7, 2018 01:53
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UrbanLabyrinth posted:So Paizo just announced Pathfinder 2.0. Oh God yes slam this poo poo into myveins hhhnnnngggghhhgghh
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Mar 7, 2018 02:03
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senrath posted:I still don't understand why it's hard for people to understand that an edition change doesn't mean your old books suddenly cease to exist. Pathfinder actively fanned the flames of that idea to create their fanbase in the first place.
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Mar 7, 2018 02:04
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I wonder if this push for new different Pathfinder is going to mean abandoning Starfinder.
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Mar 7, 2018 02:06
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Lord_Hambrose posted:I wonder if this push for new different Pathfinder is going to mean abandoning Starfinder. They're increasing the number of releases for Starfinder, so as long as it sells they'll keep putting it out. It won't be the new hotness anymore, so if sales dip I could see them backing away faster than they would otherwise, but that's not the way things are headed at the moment at least.
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Mar 7, 2018 02:08
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It doesn’t sound like there’s much similarity between this and starfinger, which is a wasted opportunity for experimenting and prototyping
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Mar 7, 2018 02:19
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let the games beginquote:Where does, "You were hit. You were definitely hit. You are suffering physical injury, and you will not be sleeping this off overnight. If you want to heal faster, use magic." fit into the core principles of Pathfinder?
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Mar 7, 2018 02:26
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As we all know, a sufficiently skilled soldier can survive 300 blows with a sword.
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Mar 7, 2018 02:28
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You can fight and climb and seduce perfectly well with a perforated colon and a severe concussion, but you need magic for it to get better - which doesn't actually help you in any way except by making you not die the next time you get hit. This is perfectly sensible.
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Mar 7, 2018 02:32
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Wasn't that never ever even a thing from D&D's earliest days? Like, ST GYGAX HIMSELF acknowledged it as an abstraction? Anyway I hope PF2 is good, it'd be nice to have a good game I don't need to sell everybody on first.
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Mar 7, 2018 02:32
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Dude I will loving lose it if PF 2e includes damage on a miss.
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dwarf74 posted:Dude I will loving lose it if PF 2e includes damage on a miss. plot twist: PF 2e will be continue the PF tradition by being a slightly modified version of D&D 4e
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Mar 7, 2018 02:36
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quote:I supported Paizo when we left 3.5 because I wanted at least a solid support channel. Too bad really. They won't get a cent from me anymore. e: Jeb Bush 2012 posted:plot twist: PF 2e will be continue the PF tradition by being a slightly modified version of D&D 4e
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Mar 7, 2018 02:36
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I am deep in the schadenfreude now. It sustains me.
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moths posted:Wasn't that never ever even a thing from D&D's earliest days? Yeah HP was always an abstraction.
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Mar 7, 2018 02:40
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quote:I think we'll see pretty quickly when they release the playtest material if the conversion rules that they give us are robust and allow for back and forth play that will tell you just how much they care about the first edition loyalty.
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Mar 7, 2018 02:42
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Mar 7, 2018 02:43
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I hope Paizo takes this time to make an innovative, balanced, streamlined game that is fun and engaging for everyone to play.
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Mar 7, 2018 03:00
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Nuns with Guns posted:I hope Paizo takes this time to make an innovative, balanced, streamlined game that is fun and engaging for everyone to play.
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Mar 7, 2018 03:02
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Why don't more people write rants about how hit points are almost entirely morale, fatigue, and luck, and therefore a spell that heals wounds shouldn't be able to restore anything but the last 5 or so (and negative ones); curing serious wounds shouldn't do anything to a fighter who is at 50 of 100 hp because he hasn't taken a scratch yet and would receive more benefit from, I don't know, an inspiring speech or something...
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Mar 7, 2018 03:04
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Oh god, and this is just the beginning too, we're going to have five months of sweet sweet grog tears just in the hype leading up to the playtest. Maybe we need a babysitter for this thread, to make sure no one ODs.
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Thranguy posted:Why don't more people write rants about how hit points are almost entirely morale, fatigue, and luck, and therefore a spell that heals wounds shouldn't be able to restore anything but the last 5 or so (and negative ones); curing serious wounds shouldn't do anything to a fighter who is at 50 of 100 hp because he hasn't taken a scratch yet and would receive more benefit from, I don't know, an inspiring speech or something... Hit points don't make sense in any fashion and never have, so someone who understands they're an abstraction doesn't need to wonder why healing spells are also an abstraction. Oh wait, was that a rhetorical question? 
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Thranguy posted:Why don't more people write rants about how hit points are almost entirely morale, fatigue, and luck, and therefore a spell that heals wounds shouldn't be able to restore anything but the last 5 or so (and negative ones); curing serious wounds shouldn't do anything to a fighter who is at 50 of 100 hp because he hasn't taken a scratch yet and would receive more benefit from, I don't know, an inspiring speech or something...
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dwarf74 posted:Uh I bolded the big issue here. I will maintain hope that the game is well-designed and artfully executed until the playtest book is leaked and it turns out they just repackaged Pugmire or some unholy crossbreed of 5e and Starfinder.
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Mar 7, 2018 03:48
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slap me and kiss me posted:Think it'll have a Warlord? Doubt it. One of the big points on the playtest website is the Alchemist being added to the Core Rulebook (it is a very popular class), so I don't think we'll see much else added to the Core Rulebook. Paizo has done a lot of Warlord-ish stuff though so we could see something in a supplement down the road.
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slap me and kiss me posted:Think it'll have a Warlord? PF1* never even had the Marshal. The Warlord would be completely out of the question. _______ * how grand that I am writing that acronym now
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Leperflesh posted:Hit points don't make sense in any fashion and never have, so someone who understands they're an abstraction doesn't need to wonder why healing spells are also an abstraction. I seem to recall hit points were invented for naval simulation war games, where they represented large ships getting hit with cannonballs. A big boat could remain quite capable of combat under sustained punishment until it finally capsized. When the rules were adapted for leisure instead of training, they ported the mechanics over without caring much about realism, down through Chainmail's more expensive ancestors and into video games.
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This calls for the return of grogs.txt. Even just for a limited engagement, get-it-while-it's-hot thread.
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inklesspen posted:Do we know anything more about this? Not any risk of me drowning out the Pathfinder 2 glee, right? Good. Couple of quotes from Kevin Kulp recently: quote:Ha! It's more like Conan the Barbarian with a big sword in one hand and a thief's throat in the other, shaking the thief violently until he desperately spills the passwords to the secret entrance of the assassin's guild down in the Tangle, so that Conan can go have a very.. important.. talk with a woman who earlier poisoned Conan's drink. Blood will be shed. And if Conan manages to acquire the antidote, he's going to want to track down the sonsofbitches who ordered the assassination in the first place. There's a complicated plan going on that needs Conan dead, apparently, and someone very rich is going to be very disappointed when they find out the barbarian doesn't plan to do his part. quote:To be serious, this initial perception [Conan with a sword and a deerstalker hat] is the biggest hurdle a fantasy GUMSHOE game will have. While you can play as City Watch or Church inquisitors, there's no need to; like NBA, investigation pushes the action and isn't normally the prime focus. Deerstalker caps not required! I'd much rather my ne'er-do-well Outlander thief be running across rooftops while fleeing from the minions of a demon-possessed noble, than sorting through paperwork or looking at blood spatters. February 1st, from Pelgrane: quote:Kevin Kulp and Emily Dresners’s GUMSHOE game of cities, secrets, and sorcery has now hit 150000 words, and is being polished ready for external playtesting. Kevin has run it himself for more than 100 playtesters. When designers run their game, it helps them hone their design fixing weaknesses and flaws, but it’s very hard to know if the text does the job of transmitting the game they want the players to experience without sending it out for external playtesting. Playtesting also shows flaws in the design, gives us an idea of the market for the game, but making sure people are playing the game we intended is pretty high on the list. I am pretty excited. Further discussion maybe to the GUMSHOE thread I dunno.
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Bongo Bill posted:I seem to recall hit points were invented for naval simulation war games, where they represented large ships getting hit with cannonballs. A big boat could remain quite capable of combat under sustained punishment until it finally capsized. When the rules were adapted for leisure instead of training, they ported the mechanics over without caring much about realism, down through Chainmail's more expensive ancestors and into video games. I couldn't tell the precise pedigree, but this also applies to miniatures wargaming: you have a stand of six footmen miniatures, and you roll d6 to attack, and any 6's are considered "hits", and a "hit" removes a single miniature from the formation. OD&D called it "accumulative hits", which meant that a single character could take more than one "hit". It didn't get translated into "hit points" until some time later when people figured that that was a better way to describe the relationship between "hits" and damage. Thanlis posted:Not any risk of me drowning out the Pathfinder 2 glee, right? Good. Thanks for this! I am extremely excited about it.
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quote:Litmus test: are player characters, nonplayer characters, and monsters built the same way?
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