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Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!

Pick posted:

The Ratigan transition is refined Keane goodness.

The Ratigan thing rules because he quite literally looks like a gross savage rat. He goes on all fours, and hunches over and his hair is all messed up and his clothes get torn off. It's so good.

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BioEnchanted
Aug 9, 2011

He plays for the dreamers that forgot how to dream, and the lovers that forgot how to love.

Macaluso posted:

The Ratigan thing rules because he quite literally looks like a gross savage rat. He goes on all fours, and hunches over and his hair is all messed up and his clothes get torn off. It's so good.

It would have been hilarious if he also started peeing all over the clock tower.

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=425M4M3Opkk

I hate this but at least they did one good thing and kept Jim Cummings as Pooh. Not something I would expect out of one of these live action ABOMINATIONS

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
Buglord

Pooh moves like the horrible bear from this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIjoJkO5wyY

BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

How 'bout them hawks news huh!
I have no relation to Pooh. I’ll save my anger for the upcoming Lion King remake.

Space Cadet Omoly
Jan 15, 2014

~Groovy~


Pick posted:

The Ratigan transition is refined Keane goodness.

Most ironic part of the whole "mice good, rats bad" thing the movie does is that in real life rats are intelligent and sweet and mice are dumb assholes.

The Great Mouse Detective is still a great movie though, speciesism aside.

BigglesSWE posted:

I have no relation to Pooh. I’ll save my anger for the upcoming Lion King remake.

That movie looks like it might be pretty good though.

dirksteadfast
Oct 10, 2010

Macaluso posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=425M4M3Opkk

I hate this but at least they did one good thing and kept Jim Cummings as Pooh. Not something I would expect out of one of these live action ABOMINATIONS

I always pictured the live action Winnie the Pooh movie being about Christopher Robin’s father shutting down his child’s foolish nonsense, with the various stuffed animals being projections of Christopher Robin’s emotional state. And of course by the end the father learns to love his son’s child-like games...

...though that’s sort of just Mary Poppins, isn’t it?

K. Waste
Feb 27, 2014

MORAL:
To the vector belong the spoils.

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

Pooh moves like the horrible bear from this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIjoJkO5wyY

Pooh actually looks great, it's that they went with the classic cartoon voice and it's so asynchronous with this guy remembering his childhood bear. Unless they're going for some Alita: Battle Angel eye thing where they really play into these cartoon voices taking on a maddening dimension to the adult listener, I'm not sure what strength it plays to by giving a very much non-cartoonish bear a very cartoony voice.

He should sound more like Teddy in A.I.

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

That Christopher Robin trailer makes me want to watch Hook.

axelblaze
Oct 18, 2006

Congratulations The One Concern!!!

You're addicted to Ivory!!

and...oh my...could you please...
oh my...

Grimey Drawer

Space Cadet Omoly posted:

That movie looks like it might be pretty good though.

They apparently cut "Be Prepared" from it so gently caress that movie.

SatansBestBuddy
Sep 26, 2010

by FactsAreUseless

dirksteadfast posted:

...though that’s sort of just Mary Poppins, isn’t it?

Don't worry, they're remaking that, too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvt41MIelDE

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!
Talking about Penguins of Madagascar, I went back and watched some of the stuff from it on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sggCMq-Nf9I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-8wWLo_2gE

This movie had just ridiculous action sequences, a bunch of stuff you can't really pull off in live action and the animators clearly had a ton of fun with it. That plane sequence is especially fun cause it's all one "shot"

edit: And obviously the Venice chase scene that gets mentioned:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjMlCZf0MBc

Macaluso fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Mar 7, 2018

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

glam rock hamhock posted:

They apparently cut "Be Prepared" from it so gently caress that movie.

But it also has Beyonce which is a net gain in all contexts.

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

Neat. Sweet. Petite.

glam rock hamhock posted:

They apparently cut "Be Prepared" from it so gently caress that movie.

They planned on keeping only four songs and redoing the rest of the soundtrack. While the good is it means "Morning Report" got cut, the bad is, given they're going to have different people composing the rest of the music, good chance they're not going to mesh very well.

And they might do stupid bullcrap like they did in B&B where they break the flow of the music to add unnecessary flourish.

And count me as one who thinks Beyonce is overhyped as an artist, she's good but she's not 'Oooh Mr. Darcy' good

Robindaybird fucked around with this message at 01:03 on Mar 7, 2018

Space Cadet Omoly
Jan 15, 2014

~Groovy~


glam rock hamhock posted:

They apparently cut "Be Prepared" from it so gently caress that movie.

What? No, why? Why would they do that?

Robindaybird posted:

They planned on keeping only four songs and redoing the rest of the soundtrack. While the good is it means "Morning Report" got cut, the bad is, given they're going to have different people composing the rest of the music, good chance they're not going to mesh very well.

....I am suddenly a little less optimistic about this movie.

Still has a great cast though.

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

Neat. Sweet. Petite.

Space Cadet Omoly posted:

What? No, why? Why would they do that?


the literal answer I see for why Be Prepared got cut was to give an ending credit song for Beyonce.

Guy Mann
Mar 28, 2016

by Lowtax
These remakes are terrible, all they're doing is recreating the original movie.

What, the remake is doing something different from the original movie? Ffffffuck that!

Space Cadet Omoly
Jan 15, 2014

~Groovy~


Guy Mann posted:

These remakes are terrible, all they're doing is recreating the original movie.

What, the remake is doing something different from the original movie? Ffffffuck that!

I've actually really liked most of the remakes, and only one I outright hated was "Maleficent" which is the one that was the most different from the original.

And like, sure, I'm still going to see it and I'll reserve judgment on it until I do, but "Be Prepared" is such a great song and I would have loved to see a new spin on it.

Shadow Hog
Feb 23, 2014

Avatar by Jon Davies
I think the only "remake" I've seen of the lot is Alice in Wonderland, which was less remake and more wholesale sequel.

I actually kinda liked it. Not enough to care about Through the Looking Glass though.

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011


A co-worker today said a friend of his works on the new Lion King and that the reason Be Prepared got cut is that Scar's role in the film is changing. He's going to be a tragic figure and the way he ends up killing Mufasa is more convoluted, so it's not purely out of malice. But once he does, he takes advantage and becomes king. And there's apparently a new song where he struggles with the weight of his new power..

There was also something about how the film will address how crappy the hyenas are treated in the animal hierarchy, and Simba fixes things at the end so there's more equality between all the animals.

I work in the entertainment industry so it's not unheard of that this could be true, but it could also just be someone peddling their idea of what the film could be and spreading it as fact.

Unmature
May 9, 2008

Ccs posted:

A co-worker today said a friend of his works on the new Lion King and that the reason Be Prepared got cut is that Scar's role in the film is changing. He's going to be a tragic figure and the way he ends up killing Mufasa is more convoluted, so it's not purely out of malice. But once he does, he takes advantage and becomes king. And there's apparently a new song where he struggles with the weight of his new power..

There was also something about how the film will address how crappy the hyenas are treated in the animal hierarchy, and Simba fixes things at the end so there's more equality between all the animals.

I work in the entertainment industry so it's not unheard of that this could be true, but it could also just be someone peddling their idea of what the film could be and spreading it as fact.

That all sounds good to me

Inkspot
Dec 3, 2013

I believe I have
an appointment.
Mr. Goongala?

Shadow Hog posted:

I think the only "remake" I've seen of the lot is Alice in Wonderland, which was less remake and more wholesale sequel.

I actually kinda liked it. Not enough to care about Through the Looking Glass though.

After hating the first one, the sequel made for a surprisingly enjoyable hangover movie. Just fast forward through Depp’s scenes.

DoubleCakes
Jan 14, 2015

The only thing I liked about Alice in Wonderland was Christopher Lee as the Jabberwocky and that portrayal of the Cheshire Cat is my favourite.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
I have a Very Advanced Headcanon for how bullshit it is people give Ratigan poo poo for being a rat, even though he’s a professor. A learnéd man.

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

Bees?
You want fucking bees?
Here you go!
ROLL INITIATIVE!!





Macaluso posted:

Talking about Penguins of Madagascar, I went back and watched some of the stuff from it on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sggCMq-Nf9I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-8wWLo_2gE

This movie had just ridiculous action sequences, a bunch of stuff you can't really pull off in live action and the animators clearly had a ton of fun with it. That plane sequence is especially fun cause it's all one "shot"

edit: And obviously the Venice chase scene that gets mentioned:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjMlCZf0MBc

The movie is just a pure joy to watch. The only thing it does less-than-perfectly is the ham-fisted way it squashes in the moral. It's just so serious about it in a movie that takes literally nothing else seriously.

I wish it had been 100% tongue-in-cheek the entire time, or just dropped the moral entirely.

Space Cadet Omoly
Jan 15, 2014

~Groovy~


Ccs posted:

A co-worker today said a friend of his works on the new Lion King and that the reason Be Prepared got cut is that Scar's role in the film is changing. He's going to be a tragic figure and the way he ends up killing Mufasa is more convoluted, so it's not purely out of malice. But once he does, he takes advantage and becomes king. And there's apparently a new song where he struggles with the weight of his new power..

There was also something about how the film will address how crappy the hyenas are treated in the animal hierarchy, and Simba fixes things at the end so there's more equality between all the animals.

I work in the entertainment industry so it's not unheard of that this could be true, but it could also just be someone peddling their idea of what the film could be and spreading it as fact.

That actually sounds amazing and I hope it's true. Like, I take back everything I said, as much as I love "Be Prepared" it's worth losing if they really did change the plot that much and in that way.

As a kid I hated how the hyenas were portrayed as the "evil" species. I couldn't understand why one kind of carnivorous animal was "Noble and Just" while the other was "Wicked and Cruel" when essentially they both wanted the same thing: to be able to eat.

I wonder if my childhood anger over that injustice was the start of me becoming a socialist as an adult....

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Space Cadet Omoly posted:

That actually sounds amazing and I hope it's true. Like, I take back everything I said, as much as I love "Be Prepared" it's worth losing if they really did change the plot that much and in that way.

As a kid I hated how the hyenas were portrayed as the "evil" species. I couldn't understand why one kind of carnivorous animal was "Noble and Just" while the other was "Wicked and Cruel" when essentially they both wanted the same thing: to be able to eat.

I wonder if my childhood anger over that injustice was the start of me becoming a socialist as an adult....

Hyenas are kinda awful irl though. Whereas lions are pretty much housecats if housecats could eat you, i.e. a kind of awful people have come to romanticize, i.e. consummate royalty

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
I've read that lions breed so well in captivity that zoos give them contraceptives.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

Space Cadet Omoly posted:

That actually sounds amazing and I hope it's true. Like, I take back everything I said, as much as I love "Be Prepared" it's worth losing if they really did change the plot that much and in that way.

As a kid I hated how the hyenas were portrayed as the "evil" species. I couldn't understand why one kind of carnivorous animal was "Noble and Just" while the other was "Wicked and Cruel" when essentially they both wanted the same thing: to be able to eat.

I wonder if my childhood anger over that injustice was the start of me becoming a socialist as an adult....

yeah honestly if they're dropping the "lion hitler" angle then Be Prepared kind of doesn't fit anymore, it's one of the more evil villain songs Disney has ever done

Samuel Clemens
Oct 4, 2013

I think we should call the Avengers.

Pick posted:

I have a Very Advanced Headcanon for how bullshit it is people give Ratigan poo poo for being a rat, even though he’s a professor. A learnéd man.

They should give him poo poo for drowning all those widows and orphans instead.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
I have made my view of hyenas as portrayed in Lion King clear so I like this direction. I guess scar will be like an actual Kenyan-born Obama

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."
I already saw the live action Lion King a couple of weeks back. Chadwick Boseman was great.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

The_Doctor posted:

I already saw the live action Lion King a couple of weeks back. Chadwick Boseman was great.

:stonk: I really hope this isn't the joke I'm reading it as, because jesus christ, dude

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

LORD OF BOOTY posted:

:stonk: I really hope this isn't the joke I'm reading it as, because jesus christ, dude

The plots of Black Panther and Lion King are somewhat similar? What the hell are you reading into it? :confused:

asecondduck
Feb 18, 2011

by Nyc_Tattoo

The_Doctor posted:

The plots of Black Panther and Lion King are somewhat similar? What the hell are you reading into it? :confused:

There are some surface level things (relative of dead royalty unexpectedly seizes power, the rightful heir is inexperienced as a leader, both films take place in Africa) and the Spirit World in Black Panther is very visually similar to the scene Lion King where Simba sees Mufasa's ghost (which may be an intentional reference, or it could be that both films borrow it from an aspect of African spiritualism that I'm not personally familiar with).

It's a not particularity nuanced take, but my wife did say something kinda similar walking out of Black Panther ("That was... kinda Lion King, right?").

asecondduck fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Mar 7, 2018

Andorra
Dec 12, 2012
Why make a live action remake of a cartoon if in order to make it you'll have to have everything in it be a cartoon

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

Well, I mean at that point it's not a live-action remake, it's just a remake remake.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

Its no longer a remaster or remake, but now a re-imagining.

Which cool, lets do this.

Shadow Hog
Feb 23, 2014

Avatar by Jon Davies
They probably want to have a second go at a technology that critics have admitted was fairly impressive in their first attempt - the blending of real-world sets with entirely-digital actors.

Given their first attempt was friggin Dinosaur, sure, try again with the more-solid plot foundation that is four-legged Hamlet, probably won't do worse.

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asecondduck
Feb 18, 2011

by Nyc_Tattoo
I wasn't thrilled with the idea of a Lion King remake (or, heck, any of their remakes so far) but if that post earlier is accurate, then they are doing something different with the property. Lion King does deserve a more nuanced take on the story than the original children's film offered (it is, after all, Hamlet).

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