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Lightning Knight posted:fuckin' lmao I just had this pop into my feed, I want to find all of these articles and drink in the conservative tears. It's too bad these articles are all bullshit based on fake social media.
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Mar 7, 2018 16:51
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:"It only happens on Twitter and Twitter doesn't matter" Too bad it's not a matter of opinion. Twitter is thankfully dying outside of America and a few other countries.
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Mar 7, 2018 16:55
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NaanViolence posted:Too bad it's not a matter of opinion. Twitter is thankfully dying outside of America and a few other countries.  Lol.
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Mar 7, 2018 16:56
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I wanted to disagree with this article from the headline but he's got a point: the media narrative is focusing on "did Russians support candidates, and if so, those candidates are all bad" rather than the much more important and consequential "were those candidates complicit in soliciting and working with that Russian support", which is the real issue. Problem is, until Trump is convicted and led away in handcuffs and a prison onesie, that's a much harder story to write. So the media generally seems to be defaulting to the easier, dumber story about how anyone who isn't Hillary is somehow a Russian pawn.
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It seems inevitable now that similar claims are going to be made no matter who's running in 2020. Prepare to be called a hypocrite when you point out there's no evidence of Kremlin support for Bernie Sanders.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I wanted to disagree with this article from the headline but he's got a point: the media narrative is focusing on "did Russians support candidates, and if so, those candidates are all bad" rather than the much more important and consequential "were those candidates complicit in soliciting and working with that Russian support", which is the real issue. Problem is, until Trump is convicted and led away in handcuffs and a prison onesie, that's a much harder story to write. So the media generally seems to be defaulting to the easier, dumber story about how anyone who isn't Hillary is somehow a Russian pawn. And my point is, no one in the real world is thinking about this or even talking about it, that's why I called it extremely online. The people orchestrating the shift in politics are not sitting around twiddling their thumbs about how oh, resisting Trump or being an alternative to the status quo is just playing into Russian hands. The DNC and pundits are definitely on this lazy conclusion, I have no doubt about it, but Taibbi's premise that he's working from is that everyone is calling anything that defies the establishment a Russian plot and literally the only people I've seen that from is, in order of frequency, Twitter, television pundits and Hillary favoring DNC members. I see this as a bit of an inflection point, if you want to change how the world works, you have to have a narrative the world can buy into, and the piece doesn't offer that, just more cynicism.
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Mar 7, 2018 17:10
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NaanViolence posted:Too bad it's not a matter of opinion. Twitter is thankfully dying outside of America and a few other countries. A) but we're talking about America B) the idea that online dialog doesn't matter because it's online is fuckin stupid
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Mar 7, 2018 17:11
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RuanGacho posted:literally the only people I've seen that from is, in order of frequency, Twitter, television pundits and Hillary favoring DNC members. the problem is that "television pundits and Hillary favoring DNC members" is neither a short nor a non-influential list RuanGacho posted:
The counter narrative is "look, the problem is the collusion," but that's not proven yet. We're all waiting on Muelldot.
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Mar 7, 2018 17:13
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:online dialog doesn't matter because it's
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RuanGacho posted:And my point is, no one in the real world is thinking about this or even talking about it, that's why I called it extremely online. The people orchestrating the shift in politics are not sitting around twiddling their thumbs about how oh, resisting Trump or being an alternative to the status quo is just playing into Russian hands. I forgot that joy Reid’s show was online only. whatever you think is terminally online is eventually going to make its way into the real world by virtue of the broke brains not being able to shut up about whatever it is even when they’re not tweeting
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Mar 7, 2018 17:23
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The "Russian meddling" is extremely online
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RuanGacho posted:The DNC and pundits are definitely on this lazy conclusion, I have no doubt about it, but Taibbi's premise that he's working from is that everyone is calling anything that defies the establishment a Russian plot and literally the only people I've seen that from is, in order of frequency, Twitter, television pundits and Hillary favoring DNC members. I think Taibbi’s premise is that this toxic narrative is being presented to hundreds of thousands if not millions of people through large media outlets, and that’s a bad thing.
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I really don't understand how someone can simultaneously hold the views that Russian meddling through social media is a big deal, but that the witch hunt against everyone who isn't Hillary doesn't matter because it's happening via social media.
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joepinetree posted:I really don't understand how someone can simultaneously hold the views that Russian meddling through social media is a big deal, but that the witch hunt against everyone who isn't Hillary doesn't matter because it's happening via social media. Conceptually, I think this is consistent if you think that the Twitter bots/etc. had an effect on the election but don't think the anti-leftist stuff will affect anything (that you care about). In that case it's not the self-consistency that's the problem, it's the fact that the person is anti-leftist that's the problem, I guess.
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Mar 7, 2018 18:09
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joepinetree posted:I really don't understand how someone can simultaneously hold the views that Russian meddling through social media is a big deal, but that the witch hunt against everyone who isn't Hillary doesn't matter because it's happening via social media. They both seem like valid issues to me, but generally folks seem to be eliding the distinction between Russian "meddling through social media" and Russian direct hacking of the DNC. There's a tendency to dismiss Russian interference with the election as "just faffing around on facebook" while pretending that the more serious criminal actions just didn't happen or were (by implication) inconsequential in the same way that the faffing around on facebook (allegedly) was. IDGI.
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Israel has had a plain-as-day lobbying agency for as long as I can remember. Corporations have the US government and its 'representatives' as a line item in their budget sheets. The 1% have turned our court system into a god drat horror show. Trump should certainly be strung up by the short and curlies for collusion. The problem is singling out Russia and painting more cold war paranoia as the one weird trick to fixing democracy that they don't want you to know about is a pretty clear case of screaming about some trees and ignoring a forest.
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Foreign entities are attempting to interfere with our election processes, this should be aggressively counter measured against. Probably the worst thing Trump has done for the media is normalized being an idiot online without consequence. I say for because they've been pretty complicit in it. I will concede that my original characterization of the article was minimizing at best, and garbage at worst. Something still doesn't feel right about it to me but I can't articulate it, could be just being stubborn.
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I’m pretty sure she means masculine-identifying drag queen rather than trans woman, which makes sense, given her recent appearance on Drag Race.
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https://twitter.com/_Saeen_/status/971277315945717760 Wow, bulletproof counterpoint there Chuck
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Chomskyan posted:https://twitter.com/_Saeen_/status/971277315945717760 I hope that a rabbi scholar whacks him on the head for saying that. The Torah was written as a series of allegories to spread the teachings of Judaism to the Jewish Diaspora after it became so spread out that continuing to spread the teachings only via oral tradition was no longer feasible. It was never written to be taken literally on any level and it was never written to be a history document.
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Mar 7, 2018 19:36
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That's impressively racist. Crazy that guy didn't really give a poo poo about the Dreamers.
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Frankly I expect this kind of supremacism from Schumer; not to downplay the grotesquery at all, but it's perfectly in line with a track record that seems to have rapidly worsened in severity in such a way that suggests he's taking advantage of the Trump administration to push for the odiousness very mildly kept in check by Obama. What's more repulsive is that anyone outside of the party elite would equivocate on something so terrible at its face.
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Mar 7, 2018 19:48
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Rent-A-Cop posted:The internet doesn't matter. He says in a world where the president's insane tweets are a common topic of discussion The internet matters now, sorry
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Here's an article about the aftermath of the WV strike and how labor organizers are setting their sights on November. There's more context on Ojeda, he sounds better here than the other article portrayed him. quote:No one exemplifies that surge more than state Sen. Richard Ojeda. A staunch progressive, Ojeda is a retired Army major from Logan County, in the heart of West Virginia “coal country.” He supports decriminalizing and taxing marijuana to fund public works, has called for sustainable energy, and supports a path to citizenship for “Dreamers.” Ojeda talks fast, sports a military-style crew cut, and is a powerhouse orator.
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Mar 7, 2018 20:31
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:He says in a world where the president's insane tweets are a common topic of discussion Trump tweets real hard and then does the same poo poo every lovely Republican does. Despite what are obviously apocalypticly important tweets the number of Koreas invaded remains steady at zero.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:the number of Koreas invaded remains steady at zero. Please a take this hot could melt the SA servers and then where would we all shitpost lol, just lol at a non-ironic use of  in tyool 2018 Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Mar 7, 2018 |
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Trump tweets real hard and then does the same poo poo every lovely Republican does. Despite what are obviously apocalypticly important tweets the number of Koreas invaded remains steady at zero. "Bush bloviates real hard and then does the same poo poo every lovely Republican does. Despite what are obviously apocalypticly important statements the number of Iraqs invaded remains steady at zero." - you, 2002. (this isn't actually a fair comparison but I think you're underestimating Trump's capability to blunder into a war)
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Please Lightning Knight posted:.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:I would have to go back to screaming at children on Xbox live. You can afford an Xbox!? Capitalist spotted Seriously though, twitter bullshit is way more consequential than it should be, both because it helped our current Dear Leader get elected, and because every time he tweets something out it has far ranging consequences even if those consequences are not always immediate or direct. Hell it's harmful just to the extent that it distracts from more substantive stories.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Is blundering into a war better or worse than starting one intentionally? Because so far, no new wars. *fingers crossed* I mean, Bush started his dumb war in Iraq as much over his daddy complex and weird religious bullshit as he did for mundane poo poo like oil and economic gain. Trump starting a war in Korea because he's gotta prove his dick is the biggest wouldn't be significantly far off the mark tbh.
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That is a totally benign statement that people are reading in the most bad faith way possible to try and make it say something he really clearly isn't saying.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:That is a totally benign statement that people are reading in the most bad faith way possible to try and make it say something he really clearly isn't saying. Tacit endorsements of ethnic cleansing "because (I think) the Bible says so" is not "a totally benign statement," hth.
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Lightning Knight posted:Tacit endorsements of ethnic cleansing "because (I think) the Bible says so" is not "a totally benign statement," hth. That sure is a weird and extreme bad faith reading
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:That sure is a weird and extreme bad faith reading His literal statement is "we think we deserve to run this place because the Bible says so, and the Muslims don't believe in the Bible and won't let us have it without a fight, so that's why there's not peace." Which even with the best faith reading is still a monumentally stupid reading of the history of the I/P conflict.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:That is a totally benign statement that people are reading in the most bad faith way possible to try and make it say something he really clearly isn't saying. he's excusing Israel’s genocide of the Palestinians
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Lightning Knight posted:His literal statement is "we think we deserve to run this place because the Bible says so, and the Muslims don't believe in the Bible and won't let us have it without a fight, so that's why there's not peace." Which even with the best faith reading is still a monumentally stupid reading of the history of the I/P conflict. That isn't his literal statement, that is a thing you typed then put quotes around.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:That isn't his literal statement, that is a thing you typed then put quotes around. So tell us, galaxy brain, what the good faith reading of this statement is.
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