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I just heard from one of our outside salesmen that one of our contractors drilled through every single truss in a spec house he's building in order to run PEX.  When we quoted a price of $100 per truss to fix it in situ, he became indignant, because, "I've done that in all my houses, and I've never had a problem."  Pics to follow if I can convince said salesman to let me have them. 
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One Legged Ninja posted:I just heard from one of our outside salesmen that one of our contractors drilled through every single truss in a spec house he's building in order to run PEX. Wait, what? Is this going to be a finished attic or something? Why the hell would he do that instead of just tacking it up using talons? e: Are you sure he meant trusses and not joists? (In which case, there are acceptable ways to drill joists...) Farmdizzle fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Mar 7, 2018 |
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Mar 7, 2018 18:52
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Ashcans posted:You just have to train them to bring you tools and parts. Replace those block-in-hole toys with screws and bolts, they'll learn quick. Not quite skilled enough, we are working on it. Proteus Jones posted:You can get a Border Collie to assist. She's useless, she thinks she's a cat. 
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Mar 7, 2018 18:54
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FogHelmut posted:
Of course she is confused, you wont let her bark and dress her in peoples clothes.
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Mar 7, 2018 19:11
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Obsoletely Fabulous posted:The kid took after the wrong parent in the looks department. I feel bad for her. That's just natures way of making sure you certain people don't smash it with a rock because they think it's someone else's kid. Also I take care of my niece and feel really accomplished for getting the roomba running to cut down on the most visible clumps of dog hair. Get an Ergo baby and learn to strap her on your back if you ever want to be productive again! (Beyond the whole raising a child without attachment-disorders thing)
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Mar 7, 2018 20:17
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Obsoletely Fabulous posted:This is where I am. I have everything to redo our half bath except the energy. There is a softball sized patch in the wall that they did a terrible job fixing. It is the mesh is visible, unpainted, and has developed another quarter sized hole in the same spot because the prior owner didn't believe in door stops. We weren't concerned when we bought the house because we planned to redo the bathrooms but other issues took priority and then our daughter was born. At least you know how to build a functional kid!
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Mar 7, 2018 21:21
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JEEVES420 posted:Of course she is confused, you wont let her bark and dress her in peoples clothes. It's not a barking collar, we had been out front earlier that day and I didn't want her running into the street. It just makes a beep sound when I press a button. You can blame my wife for the clothing.
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Mar 7, 2018 21:52
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Farmdizzle posted:e: Are you sure he meant trusses and not joists? (In which case, there are acceptable ways to drill joists...) Nope.  
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Mar 7, 2018 22:03
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Why wouldn't he just tack on to the tops of them surely this way was more work why WHY
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Mar 7, 2018 22:05
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Is there not code enforcement for this? We have specific building regulations about where and how much you can drill through beams like this.
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Mar 7, 2018 22:14
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At the same time, I'm wondering why the water lines aren't in the foundation, like pretty much every other house I've ever seen.
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Mar 7, 2018 22:15
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Queen Victorian posted:My fiance and I bought a Victorian (still working on a project thread OP) and while the house is generally rock solid, there's some superficial poo poo that just pisses me off. Let's do some multiple choice: That looks like stainable wood filler that was never stained.
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Mar 7, 2018 22:16
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Darchangel posted:At the same time, I'm wondering why the water lines aren't in the foundation, like pretty much every other house I've ever seen.
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Mar 7, 2018 22:22
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oh no we accidentally hooked up the sprinklers to the hot water line ow ow
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Mar 7, 2018 22:23
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My Lovely Horse posted:oh no we accidentally hooked up the sprinklers to the hot water line ow ow If the sprinklers are going off it's probably already quite hot.
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Mar 7, 2018 22:29
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My Lovely Horse posted:oh no we accidentally hooked up the sprinklers to the hot water line ow ow the ol' spicey sprinkler system
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Mar 7, 2018 22:43
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Jaded Burnout posted:Is there not code enforcement for this? We have specific building regulations about where and how much you can drill through beams like this. Yes. I'm guessing that's why he needs to have them fixed. Darchangel posted:At the same time, I'm wondering why the water lines aren't in the foundation, like pretty much every other house I've ever seen. This house is on a slab, for some stupid reason (Reason: it's cheaper). Why anyone would choose not to have a basement where it's possible is beyond my imagination. But, as I said, it's a spec house, so as long as it looks good from the outside, no fucks are given once it's sold.
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Mar 7, 2018 22:44
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Once while inspecting a building we realized the sprinkler guys had accidentally mixed up the main sprinkler feed with bone hurting juice. owww oof my sprinkler tree.
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Mar 7, 2018 22:50
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Baronjutter posted:bone hurting juice Is that a euphemism for hydrofluoric acid or something? How does one get "bone hurting juice" in a sprinkler feed?
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Mar 7, 2018 23:14
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It's a meme. "Oof owie my bones."
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Mar 7, 2018 23:18
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A sprinkler blasting HF all over would certainly be something
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Mar 7, 2018 23:19
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Ashcans posted:Get a baby carrier, strap that baby in, and start working with her on your back. Strap that baby, make her screed! 
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Mar 7, 2018 23:24
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Buff Skeleton posted:A sprinkler blasting HF all over would certainly be something you'd need to use wax lines for it, which is great because the flames would melt them automatically
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Mar 7, 2018 23:37
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One Legged Ninja posted:Nope. Please keep us in the loop on the final outcome here.
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Mar 7, 2018 23:38
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Hmm I have this flexible tubing, 2 feet of clearance above the trusses, and it's new construction and I have all the access space in the world. BETTER DRILL SOME HUGE HOLES
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Mar 7, 2018 23:58
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xergm posted:Is that a euphemism for hydrofluoric acid or something? How does one get "bone hurting juice" in a sprinkler feed? Why would you ask that here in one of the forums where posting memes is a crime?  http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/bone-hurting-juice
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Mar 8, 2018 00:01
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I hope the electrical was hanging out above it the whole time too.
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Mar 8, 2018 00:12
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I know gang nails are much stronger than they appear but the 'workmanship' on that joint is hideous, notwithstanding the vandalism by plumber performed afterwards.
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Mar 8, 2018 00:31
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One Legged Ninja posted:Yes. I'm guessing that's why he needs to have them fixed. Most houses in Texas are on slabs, and, amazingly, the water pipes are run through the slab. They can do that. You just have to, you know, plan ahead. Almost like having a plan or blueprints. Maybe that's weird where you live, but pipes in the slab are pretty much the standard here in TX.
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Mar 8, 2018 00:57
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So since we're talking about supports and the cutting there of, I saw this posted to a group on FB, how bad is this? 
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Mar 8, 2018 01:12
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ExplodingSims posted:So since we're talking about supports and the cutting there of, I saw this posted to a group on FB, how bad is this? That depends on the size of the tub.
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Mar 8, 2018 01:18
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Cartoon posted:I know gang nails are much stronger than they appear but the 'workmanship' on that joint is hideous, notwithstanding the vandalism by plumber performed afterwards. The main problem with it is the upright 2x4 is poor: it's missing a half inch or so at the end, due to the board having a foot of live edge at the bottom. Cheapskate builders don't want to pay a premium for higher quality wood, nor do they want to throw away a lot of rejects boards from a bundle, so they just use them regardless. The gap isn't actually going to make a huge difference in that truss, but it is ugly and if it were my home, I'd probably pay for better quality lumber. ExplodingSims posted:So since we're talking about supports and the cutting there of, I saw this posted to a group on FB, how bad is this? Those are engineered beams, and they're all ruined. They'll have to be replaced or the section of floor they're supporting is likely to collapse under ordinary loads.
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ExplodingSims posted:So since we're talking about supports and the cutting there of, I saw this posted to a group on FB, how bad is this? http://www.ahjengineers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Allowed-hole-charts-for-Trus-Joist-products.pdf You'd have to consult a table to be sure, but those holes look real big and I'd be surprised if they're OK
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Mar 8, 2018 01:20
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Leperflesh posted:The main problem with it is the upright 2x4 is poor: it's missing a half inch or so at the end, due to the board having a foot of live edge at the bottom. Bad Munki fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Mar 8, 2018 |
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Mar 8, 2018 01:20
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Darchangel posted:Most houses in Texas are on slabs, and, amazingly, the water pipes are run through the slab. They can do that. You just have to, you know, plan ahead. Almost like having a plan or blueprints. Slabs are normal for any place that doesn't have to deal with frost lines or burst pipes. Basements are for dumb snow-havers.
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Mar 8, 2018 03:10
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One Legged Ninja posted:Nope. My former code enforcement self is causing me to spontaneously writing a stop work order. This "contractor" is going to need to provide a serious financial apology. ExplodingSims posted:So since we're talking about supports and the cutting there of, I saw this posted to a group on FB, how bad is this? NO NO NO NO NO NO. I don't even need to look at the tables to know that's permafucked. Also: Queen Victorian posted:multiple choice: A. THE CORRECT ANSWER IS A. WHAT THE gently caress. B is fine if the are stained and completely dried away from the original frames. But that's a lot of effort for little gain. Motronic fucked around with this message at 03:47 on Mar 8, 2018 |
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Mar 8, 2018 03:44
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Motronic posted:My former code enforcement self is causing me to spontaneously writing a stop work order. I was talking to a contractor the other day (totally unrelated field) and it’s 100% true what he said: an idiot can do more damage in a day than an expert can fix in a week.
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Mar 8, 2018 03:59
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tangy yet delightful posted:the ol' spicey sprinkler system 
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Mar 8, 2018 04:02
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tangy yet delightful posted:the ol' spicey sprinkler system 
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Motronic posted:Also: I get the sense the previous owners, while not doing anything majorly bad to the house, didn't really appreciate it for what it was (a fine Victorian). They also didn't know it very well (despite having lived in it for about 15 years) - inspector found all sorts of obvious poo poo that was not in the disclosure that should have been. Was a huge contrast to this other old house we looked at and actually got to talk to the owner - dude had owned the house for 30+ years and had spent a lot of time unfucking the house from ill-advised "improvements" by the owners before him and had come to know the house like the back of his hand. For example, the previous owners had removed and trashed the pocket doors, so the current owner had covered the ravaged slots and damage with nice color-matched panels and added nice French doors on hinges. (I really wish my fiance had been on board with that house... I loved it but he hated it). kid sinister posted:That looks like stainable wood filler that was never stained. Yeah that's my main theory - I've used pre-colored wood filler for gouges in my apartment floor (and no doubt will again after we rip out some gross carpeting from the upstairs rooms and need to fill in nail/staple holes), but the work is just so goddamn sloppy and rough. And in your face - it would bother me to the point of overcoming my natural laziness and doing something about it (or just not even starting). I understand the starting and never finishing though (but less so when the WIP state is such an eyesore) - happens to me all the time, and happened in my family home - we remodeled it when I was a kid, and there were unfinished bits lingering for a decade or more after we moved back in. Oh man, speaking of the family home, I have some crappy construction stories to tell about it. I wish I had pictures, but all photos taken of it were on film and I don't have access to any of them and it was Anywho, the house was a shoddy summer house in northern California built around 1900. I don't believe it was meant for year-round habitation because even though it had a furnace and a Franklin stove, it had no insulation. In fact, it was single wall construction, which meant the exterior shingles and interior plaster was affixed to the same piece of wood. The only reason this worked for so long was because the climate was incredibly mild. My great grandmother bought the house in the 20s and over the decades, added a bunch of lovely additions with flat tar and gravel roofs that ALL leaked. The dining room was an addition, and my dad had garbage bags stapled to the ceiling to contain the chronic low-level leaking and prevent damage to the dining room table. The additions were also crooked enough you could race marbles across the room. That reminds me - the house didn't really have a foundation - just footings and piles, and it was built on a steep hillside in earthquake country. The interior. I guess the interior was nice a long time ago, but all the woodwork was hidden under countless layers of paint, the floor was gouged and scratched (when I'd do my coloring on the floor as a little kid, I'd capture the damage on the floor like I was doing an etching or something). There were bullet holes in some of the window panes. These were apparently left over from when my grandpa was a kid and had a beef with some bullies - they shot at the window with a BB gun. The kitchen had been updated in the 70s, which meant the floor was pumpkin orange linoleum and the appliances were avocado green. The carpeting upstairs dated to the 70s as well, and it was poo poo-brown shag. The single bathroom in the house seemed to have been last updated in the 30s or 40s. Was also tiny. House was literally falling apart. One corner of the house had been completely taken over by ivy to such an extent that there was ivy growing INSIDE the house and had been for decades. My dad wanted to get rid of it but did not because he realized that it was highly likely that the ivy was load-bearing. Also one time we got home from something and it was drafty inside and leaves were on the stairs. My mom went upstairs to the main bedroom (which had access to an upstairs deck) and the deck door had been blown out of its (rotten) frame by a small gust of wind and was lying across the floor. Basically a ton of the stuff that happened in The Money Pit happened to my childhood home for real so first time I saw that movie it was like watching a documentary of that loving deathtrap of a house. Final straw was when my mom asked my sister's friend's mom why she always had the girls play at her house and never at ours, and she said it was because she was afraid our house would collapse with her daughter inside. Then came the remodel - house was absolutely a teardown, but if we'd scraped it and built new from scratch, the zoning would have hosed up the house's placement on the lot and forced us to build on top of my great grandmother's huge mature garden (think priceless 80-year-old cut leaf maples and stuff) and limited the new structure to two stories (old house was three stories plus a sub-basement thanks to the hillside slope). So my dad, who is a crafty bastard when he needs to be, bamboozled the town council and "remodeled" the house, which was Ship of Theseus shenanigans to keep the remnants of the old house propped up (it completely disintegrated during partial demolition) until he built the new house around it. Town council is still salty about being bamboozled and it's been like 20 years. That's the story about the house I grew up in.
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