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What are the rules around the referenda in the primaries? Do they take the result as guidance on whether to write the "official" version of the referendum for the general election, or do the results matter more or less than that? Is there a set number of referenda that are allowed to appear on the general? There's a recreational marijuana referendum, a bump stock one, and two health insurance code ones.
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Mar 6, 2018 19:03
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Anyone have the correct answers to this test and by that i mean how do i support legal marijuana and vote for the most decent human being who can win since they dont let Mr. Rogers corpse run.
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Mar 6, 2018 19:19
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esquilax posted:What are the rules around the referenda in the primaries? Do they take the result as guidance on whether to write the "official" version of the referendum for the general election, or do the results matter more or less than that? Is there a set number of referenda that are allowed to appear on the general? That's a good question for which I couldn't easily find a clear answer. I found a city of Chicago elections page that said no more than three referenda can appear on a ballot (whether primary or g.e.), so there might be a similar rule for the state and/or county. I *think* the primary/general referenda are different; ie, if a referendum passes in the primary it doesn't reappear on the g.e. ballot, but a referendum doesn't have to "pass" a primary in order to be on the g.e. ballot. I also read somewhere else that the primary might be preferable for a referendum because the state lege is in session if it passes, thus putting pressure on legislators (and especially those running in the g.e. following the primary) if the referendum passes in the primary. But far fewer people vote in primary elections than in general elections, so that might be a factor, too. eta: I also couldn't find out whether the same referenda can appear on the primary & g.e. ballots, but I'm guessing it could, as long as the process for validation were duplicated. Willa Rogers fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Mar 6, 2018 |
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vyelkin fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Jan 14, 2021 |
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Mar 7, 2018 23:28
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Besides the billionaire thing, is there a reason I shouldn't kind of like Pritzker? His policies seem like stuff I like. Only issue I've had is his attacks on Kennedy raising tuition aren't fair.
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Mar 7, 2018 23:38
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The rich guy feels the need to attack the one the socialists like, which makes me like the one the socialists like more.
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Mar 7, 2018 23:50
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The Socialists like Kennedy? How in the gently caress?
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Mar 7, 2018 23:53
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I assume he means Biss.
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Mar 8, 2018 00:02
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vyelkin posted:Something actually good that JB Pritzker did: lolol
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Mar 8, 2018 00:16
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Biss is a hack who voted against half the poo poo he claims he's for now. I also don't know what his family's business which by all accounts he doesn't have any involvement in running has to do with him. If you want to rake him over the coals, do it over using offshore tax havens and his charity to avoid having to pay income tax.
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Mar 8, 2018 00:24
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The problem with Pritzker is that he brought in a bunch of the corrupt machine politicians right as he announced. So he's perfectly fine with them and what they are doing.
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Mar 8, 2018 01:06
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It's corruption all the way down in this state tbf Is there anyone you can hire who hasn't had to swim in the sewage?
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Mar 8, 2018 01:07
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Biss's explanations of his past stances have been fairly reasonable IMHO, and even without them I think his history still compares favorably with Pritzker/Kennedy too.
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Mar 8, 2018 01:16
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Man_of_Teflon posted:Biss's explanations of his past stances have been fairly reasonable IMHO, and even without them I think his history still compares favorably with Pritzker/Kennedy too. Talk is cheap and he's shown that's all he is. You're responsible for the votes you make and bills you support. And his stance when it mattered is clear.
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Mar 8, 2018 01:40
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Ha, I just saw an Ives ad that tries to tie Rauner to Obama somehow, that’s a new one. Anyway, my thoughts on Pritzker are that I refuse to vote for a billionaire. Maybe this counts as a hot take, but anyone who is a billionaires doesn’t actually give a poo poo about people. The guy has obviously used his money to influence politics in the state and country for a long time, and now we’re supposed to think he’s some guy out there for the middle class? It’s just Trump like bullshit from the left.
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Mar 8, 2018 02:42
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I tend to vote along with the AFL-CIO, but will probably vote Biss, although it doesn't matter. But boy his record is sketch, and what happened with Ramirez-Rosa is ehhh But I'll save my billionaire vote for the general.
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Mar 8, 2018 02:52
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Bird in a Blender posted:Ha, I just saw an Ives ad that tries to tie Rauner to Obama somehow, that’s a new one. There is no "Trump bullshit from the left" and I loving hate that type of assertion. Problem with Trump isn't that he's a (alleged) billionaire. The problem is that he is a personification of the policies of the right. He has taken all if the rights subtext and made it text. I hate how much influence money has in politics as much as the next guy and am under no illusion that any pol is "one of us" but that seems disengenuous as fuuuuck. JB or Biss, or Kennedy could be lying their rear end off and it wouldn't shock me all that much if any of them were. They would still likely be a remarkable improvement over our current lovely governor.
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Mar 8, 2018 03:09
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Dexo posted:There is no "Trump bullshit from the left" and I loving hate that type of assertion. What I mean by Trump bs from the left is that Trump spent most of his campaign and presidency saying poo poo he really didn’t care about, but it’s what his base wanted to hear. He’s still an rear end in a top hat, I just think Trump is too dumb to have a real position on anything. I question whether Pritzker believes in any of the stuff he advocates for now. If he did care about it, why wasn’t he using his influence to push for it before? And like Trump and Rauner, he’s another rich guy with no political experience, and that has turned out like poo poo.
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Mar 8, 2018 03:20
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Speaking of Bliss, he's doing an AMA on reddit tomorrow at noon: https://www.reddit.com/r/illinoispolitics/comments/82q8s6/i_am_daniel_biss_candidate_for_governor_of/
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Mar 8, 2018 03:28
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That ought to be interesting.
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Mar 8, 2018 05:59
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Dexo posted:I tend to vote along with the AFL-CIO, but will probably vote Biss, although it doesn't matter. This is my take as well. My vote for Biss in the primary is essentially a protest vote against yet another billionaire, but I don't think there's any way in hell that JB doesn't get the nomination.
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Mar 8, 2018 15:40
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Ives mailed me a whole little book about how Rauner is a traitor to the conservative cause- might scan part of it in later
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Mar 8, 2018 17:27
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I mean he doesn't give much of a poo poo about the culture war part of the conservative ethos. He just wants his anti-union, and regressive economic poo poo.
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Mar 8, 2018 17:35
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Dexo posted:I mean he doesn't give much of a poo poo about the culture war part of the conservative ethos. did't actually read it yet but from the summary on the back it appeared to ascribe sinister, conspiratorial motives to his like expansion of abortion rights and stuff in addition to just criticizing him for betraying social conservative values lol
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Mar 8, 2018 17:47
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Monkey Fracas posted:Ives mailed me a whole little book about how Rauner is a traitor to the conservative cause- might scan part of it in later Yes, please.
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Mar 8, 2018 18:07
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Any input from the crowd on attorney general? I'm leaning towards Goldstein based on the fact that he was a public defender and opened the debate over the weekend talking about ending mass incarceration and cash bond, but I also like Drury based on his history of pissing off Madigan.
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Mar 8, 2018 19:03
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Probably Kwame Raoul
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Mar 8, 2018 19:48
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The whole field is good but Fairley is really good.
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Mar 8, 2018 20:18
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I admit I haven't been paying much attention to the gubernatorial primary, so I listened to a debate the other day. I about lost it when a dude started talking about splitting Illinois into 3 states.
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Mar 8, 2018 20:50
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Niwrad posted:The whole field is good but Fairley is really good. Can you expand on why he is good? I've been planning on voting for Kwame, but I haven't done that much research. The more I think about this primary, the more I realize how open all of the races are. I don't think I've had to do this much thinking about candidates in a long time.
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Mar 8, 2018 21:16
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Bird in a Blender posted:Can you expand on why he is good? I've been planning on voting for Kwame, but I haven't done that much research. She's really smart. Princeton engineering degree, Wharton MBA, and got her law degree from University of Chicago. She was in charge of COPA when they actually started going after the police. She held high positions in the Office of Inspector General. From everything I've read she is independent and aggressive. I think every major paper has endorsed her too.
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Mar 8, 2018 21:40
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If anyone actually cares about the attorney general race (and you should, it's pretty important) the sun times debate from last weekend is worth listening to. It was cosponsored by Cards Against Humanity because we live in the dumbest possible time line. https://youtu.be/AVOiTUyLww8 The real meat starts around the 21 minute mark, and they make some differences clear right away.
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Mar 8, 2018 22:18
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Niwrad posted:Talk is cheap and he's shown that's all he is. You're responsible for the votes you make and bills you support. And his stance when it mattered is clear. Problem is, that just leads to the only electable guys being independently wealthy businessmen who don't have bad votes to explain.
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Mar 8, 2018 22:50
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mastershakeman posted:Problem is, that just leads to the only electable guys being independently wealthy businessmen who don't have bad votes to explain. I'll take my chances on an unknown than someone who I know doesn't support those policies. I just don't understand the Biss love from progressives. He has literally done the opposite of what he says he's for. He hasn't supported a single-payer system while in office. In fact, he's voted against even having a committee to explore that option. He pushed an unconstitutional way to gut pensions. He voted to increase funding to charter schools. He voted to allow banks to garnish wages over school loans. I just don't get it. When did he suddenly become the progressive beacon of hope? He's been a moderate since he took office. Does no one give a poo poo about his actual record?
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Mar 9, 2018 00:13
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Not sure if it already got posted here but: https://theintercept.com/2018/03/07/illinois-democratic-party-michael-madigan-mailers/quote:The Illinois Democratic machine has unleashed a wave of attacks on fellow Democrats in local races, with state party chair Michael Madigan funding mailers knocking several progressive candidates as Donald Trump stooges and foot soldiers in the tea party. They seem utterly shameless lol quote:Another mailer sent by Madigan’s committee claimed Lindquist and Bardsley would “bring a Tea Party agenda to our community,” and claimed that they support “slashing Medicare and Medicaid, repealing Obamacare, privatizing Social Security, and dangerous anti-environment policies.” Lindquist has publicly opposed cuts to Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, and vocally supported Medicare for All, a Bernie Sanders proposal for single-payer health insurance.
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Mar 9, 2018 01:48
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ArgaWarga posted:It was cosponsored by Cards Against Humanity because we live in the dumbest possible time line. Does the CAH guy live in Illinois or is he doing this all over?
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Mar 9, 2018 02:38
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DalaranJ posted:Does the CAH guy live in Illinois or is he doing this all over? He lives in Chicago and his company is based there.
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Mar 9, 2018 04:28
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tekz posted:Not sure if it already got posted here but: https://theintercept.com/2018/03/07/illinois-democratic-party-michael-madigan-mailers/ Here's the Our Revolution slate, including the candidates those mailers were targeting.
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Mar 9, 2018 06:55
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dwarf74 posted:I admit I haven't been paying much attention to the gubernatorial primary, so I listened to a debate the other day. I about lost it when a dude started talking about splitting Illinois into 3 states. That guy owns and I'm voting for him for every office
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Niwrad posted:I'll take my chances on an unknown than someone who I know doesn't support those policies. Yeah your points are 100% correct. He has a history of a bunch of bad votes. I just think there's a bunch of excuses that can rationalize why he's the better choice over pritzker , the top one being inherent distrust of billionaires running for their first office. I also think Rauner matches up better with Pritzker, especially since Pritzker was unable to say if he thought more damaging FBI tapes were out there. Truth be told I think biss and pritzker would have pretty similar terms. A lot of their platform is predicated on having a constitutional convention and they're going to have to partner up with Madigan to get that done. The only primary that really matters is Cook county assessor For AG it's a question of strategic voting - I think that public defender guy would do the most immediate help in policing reform, but he has no money or endorsements. Kwame and Quinn are leading the polls and I think they're both incredibly cozy with everyone in politics and will do absolutely zilch about corruption, so Fairley ends up the best option of those top 3 and hope she can win 34-33-33 or whatever mastershakeman fucked around with this message at 13:56 on Mar 9, 2018 |
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Mar 9, 2018 13:54
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