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Jackard
Oct 28, 2007

We Have A Bow And We Wish To Use It

Nipponophile posted:

Escaflowne isn't only because the series was made years before the term became a cliche, same with El Hazard. Isekai is not limited to game rules, as exemplified by that recent restaurant isekai.
Both of these series are isekai though

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Nipponophile
Apr 8, 2009
Yes, but only retroactively. It's not as if those series were made to tap into a particular zeitgeist.

neongrey
Feb 28, 2007

Plaguing your posts with incidental music.
Portal fantasy has existed for decades in tons of languages. Isekai's just the Japanese name for it.

ryonguy
Jun 27, 2013
My post was specifically about the "MC is transported into a JRPG/videogame" set-up, of which there have been at least a dozen series over the past few years and is overdone. All the :spergin: about "WELL TECHNICALLY IT'S CALLED" completely missed the point.

If you like that sort of thing and keep reading every one that comes out no matter how many times the same scenario gets used, good for you, but the thread is literally titled Let's Read Something Different.

Jackard
Oct 28, 2007

We Have A Bow And We Wish To Use It
Your posts sound like uninteresting griping about recommendations. So don't worry friend, we're all spergs here!







:same:
vvvvv

Jackard fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Mar 10, 2018

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

Army of Darkness is my favorite isekai

Samuringa
Mar 27, 2017

Best advice I was ever given?

"Ticker, you'll be a lot happier once you stop caring about the opinions of a culture that is beneath you."

I learned my worth, learned the places and people that matter.

Opened my eyes.
Mine is Jumanji

Fellis
Feb 14, 2012

Kid, don't threaten me. There are worse things than death, and uh, I can do all of them.
A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court

E: this thread is “read something different” because its the japanese comic thread in the western comic forum though

Samuringa
Mar 27, 2017

Best advice I was ever given?

"Ticker, you'll be a lot happier once you stop caring about the opinions of a culture that is beneath you."

I learned my worth, learned the places and people that matter.

Opened my eyes.
I always thought it was also supposed to be notable japanese comics, I mean, no one is recommending Naruto or DBZ.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
For the most part it is for stuff that's notable or worthwhile but not insanely mainstream, especially in the west. When I posted attack on titan for example, it was popular at the time but hadn't yet completely exploded into the force it is now.

Speaking of, attack on titan is super good these days, every single chapter lately has been amazing. Shame this stuff likely won't get animated for another two seasons at least.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
Here's a good, short little series. It's a highschool romcom/drama, of which there are roughly umpteen billion, but it's got an interesting twist and great characters.



The Boy Who Cried Wolf Told Another Lie Today

quote:

Keitarou Itsuki is a high-school student unhappy about the menacing look of his eyes. Keitarou tries to confess to the girl he likes, Aoi Tokujira, but she rejects him flat out. Thinking that his eyes were the reason why she rejected him, he confides in his older sister about it at her salon, who helps by giving him a complete makeover...as a pretty girl! Forced to head home like this, he runs into Aoi in town, but she doesn't recognize him and thinks he's a somewhat manly girl. Before he can leave, Aoi asks him to help her overcome a problem she's had for many years: androphobia(an intense fear of men).

It starts out relatively standard but things quickly pick up as he continues to fight with his conscience about lying to people he cares about, of who he is, of his own thoughts on things, and what he wants to do with or for those people.

Fellis
Feb 14, 2012

Kid, don't threaten me. There are worse things than death, and uh, I can do all of them.
drat kissmanga is rife with mobile hijack ads again :sigh:

ryonguy
Jun 27, 2013

Fellis posted:

drat kissmanga is rife with mobile hijack ads again :sigh:

What are those? I'm using adblock and noscript and have no trouble on that site as far as I know.

edit: I'm on desktop though

Slide Hammer
May 15, 2009

If you're on a mobile device, you suddenly get taken to the app store or an app store-looking webpage where they try to sell some kinda porn app. At least, that's my mobile web-browsing hijacking experience.

Samuringa
Mar 27, 2017

Best advice I was ever given?

"Ticker, you'll be a lot happier once you stop caring about the opinions of a culture that is beneath you."

I learned my worth, learned the places and people that matter.

Opened my eyes.
If you're reading manga on a mobile device, use MangaRock.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
Is there a rundown of the prominent/good isekai anywhere?

Anora
Feb 16, 2014

I fuckin suck!🪠
I am also interested in a list of those.

Brainamp
Sep 4, 2011

More Zen than Zenyatta

Konosuba. It's a solid comedy that mocks the kind of poo poo that normally crops up in the genre and stars a cast of rejects that were unwanted by literally every other adventuring group.

The only other isekai series that I bother actually reading is Kumo Desu ga, Nani ka? Girl is in her classroom one moment and is hatching out of a spider egg the next, so she's kinda confused. Decent at least for not ramping up the power creep too fast, but it leans a bit too heavily on its game mechanic aspect.

Samuringa
Mar 27, 2017

Best advice I was ever given?

"Ticker, you'll be a lot happier once you stop caring about the opinions of a culture that is beneath you."

I learned my worth, learned the places and people that matter.

Opened my eyes.

Discendo Vox posted:

Is there a rundown of the prominent/good isekai anywhere?

Parody: Konosuba

Serious(but disappointed me): RE:ZERO

Serious(but I haven't watched it): Grimgar

God is Dead And This Is The Hell We Built For Ourselves: Now And Then, Here and There

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
I'll do a writeup later with some, but unfortunately a lot of isekai that are popular aren't necessarily good ones. See: overlord, log horizon, sword art online, shield hero, etc

Anora
Feb 16, 2014

I fuckin suck!🪠

Samuringa posted:

God is Dead And This Is The Hell We Built For Ourselves: Now And Then, Here and There

It's been years since I saw this, and I remember being kind of disappointed that it didn't hit me as hard as everyone seems to say it should. Like Clannad got me, but not this one.

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

Discendo Vox posted:

Is there a rundown of the prominent/good isekai anywhere?

The only one you need to read is Dragon Ball Side Story: The Case of Being Reincarnated as Yamcha. :v:

Jackard
Oct 28, 2007

We Have A Bow And We Wish To Use It

Samuringa posted:

RE:ZERO
... Grimgar
Blegh.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
So! Isekai series. I've mentioned a few of them in this very thread. Death Flag Heroine, Qualia the Purple is a particularly odd version of one I suppose, Ressentiment, Maouyuu Maou Yuusha, Kumo Desu Ga, Nani Ka?, they are all good renditions of the isekai genre. Here's some more.

World Customize Creator, this one's quite good. In most isekais, the person entering the new world might have some magical powers or sometimes is just dropped in powerless. In this one, the person is literally able to open the console window in this world he's in, and spawn in all sorts of things, modify stats, etc. Thing is, the world he's in is kinda like Avatar: The Last Airbender with air magicians, fire, earth, water, and powerless. And it focuses a lot on the politics of the world, in which he becomes a central figure as he is prophesied to be the destroyer of the world, but that might not mean what the legend implies. Overall a surprisingly good series so far, though translations get dodgy at times.
Spirit Migration, about a mysterious spirit of unknown origins who can possess any monster in this fantasy world.
The Devil is a Part-Timer, though I would say watch the anime of this. Based on a light novel where a standard Demon King is defeated by a Hero and flees through a portal to our world. His magic not working, he is forced to work to earn a living, and becomes the manager of a not-McDonalds. Anime is surprisingly funny and witty.
A Certain Middle-aged Man's VRMMO Activity Log, fairly standard VRMMO-style series, except it's largely about one dude soloing things and goes really in-depth into crafting stuff, cooking, etc. He's a bit mary sue-ish, but half the fun is his overpoweredness. Can get a little harem-ey but tends to stave off it for the most part.
Hero BBS, an interesting idea for a series, about a BBS board for heroes from the multiverse to correspond with each other and seek help in dealing with problems/villains in their own universes. Translations and scan quality can be rather low at times but it's a pretty cute series and rather short too. Heroes can be everything from magical girls to hard-boiled detectives to transforming robot animals.


Ascendence of a Bookworm, I've heard good things about this but haven't read it yet so I can't say for sure.

quote:

Reino, a book loving college student who just got her Librarian certification and was just hired to be the librarian of a large university library. Just before graduating and entering the job of her dreams, she was killed by a massive earthquake crushing her underneath a pile of her own books.

Wishing for reincarnation in order to read ever more, where she got reincarnated to was a world with a low literacy rate and very few books, limited only to the nobility of the world. As she reincarnated as the daughter of a lowly soldier, no matter how much she wants to read there is no way there are any books around. If there are no books then what do you do? Why, you make them yourself of course. What her goal is, to become the librarian of a library! In order to live a life surrounded by books, she starts with making books.




Series to avoid:
Overlord - starts out with a novel concept and after the lizardman arc it apparently just devolves into repeated arcs of torture porn
Shield Hero - starts out kinda interesting, has a prologue moment that is just terrible but I kept going past it, and it eventually gets really, really bad, problematic in the extreme, and that's not even counting the "mysterious" aging of his young kid sidekick to be a hottie literally overnight
Sword Art Online(an anime) - the quintessentially bad isekai series, you name something bad, cliche, or creepy, it probably did it
Log Horizon(anime) - like sword art online but even more boring

amigolupus posted:

The only one you need to read is Dragon Ball Side Story: The Case of Being Reincarnated as Yamcha. :v:
I've heard good things of this one too.

Captain Invictus fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Jun 27, 2018

Brainamp
Sep 4, 2011

More Zen than Zenyatta

Qualia the Purple, Ressentiment, Maouyuu Maou Yuusha, and A Certain Middle-aged Man's VRMMO Activity Log aren't isekai. Just involving an mmo or sci-fi stuff doesn't make it an isekai work.

Also Log Horizon is really good and written by the same guy as Maou Yuusha. Both are basically economics books in fantasy worlds and are great.

brainwrinkle
Oct 18, 2009

What's going on in here?
Buglord
I also think Log Horizon is good.

I think Grimgar is pretty good. Perhaps it is not really isekai as the teens reincarnated into the fantasy world don't have any memories of Earth. The story is mostly about their forced conscription into a defense militia and trying to survive on the bottom rung of their new society. Probably less of an isekai and more of a coming of age in a fantasy setting. The anime has some really pretty background art.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty

Brainamp posted:

Qualia the Purple, Ressentiment, Maouyuu Maou Yuusha, and A Certain Middle-aged Man's VRMMO Activity Log aren't isekai. Just involving an mmo or sci-fi stuff doesn't make it an isekai work.
eh, I disagree to varying degrees, but don't feel like arguing.

Jackard
Oct 28, 2007

We Have A Bow And We Wish To Use It
Bokura no Kiseki



Here's a reversal of the standard setup - a bunch of Japanese students start having visions of a fantasy castle under siege, which suddenly explodes thanks to magic nukes? a pillar of light, wiping out both the defenders and invaders.

Well it turns out that death by magic guarantees reincarnation! These teens are awakening to memories, loyalties, and abilities from a past life, aren't really sure what caused the whole thing or who is on what side.

https://mangadex.org/manga/151
https://mangarock.com/manga/mrs-serie-34337

https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=34396

Jackard fucked around with this message at 02:40 on Mar 18, 2018

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

Shield Hero Is probably mostly bad, and definitely comes out of an unhealthy worldview and mindset, but it kinda makes me weirdly sentimental about when I was a lot younger and was filled with bitterness and hate, which may also be a bad thing.

The whole setup for it was definitely bad, it would've been better if they had some kind of fantasy J Jonah Jamison instead. It's a little fun that over time, people start giving him the "Hey idiot, if you keep doing nice things for people, they'll like you, despite your past reputation" shpiel, but there is something that's kinda philosophically wrong about all of it that I can't quite put my finger on.

Has anyone recommended The Girl From the Other Side - Siúil, a Rún yet? That's something that's really different.

It's all about a little girl being taken care of by a terrifying cursed shadow skull person. It's a very different style from most manga, either children's storybook or like 19th century cartoon like Little Nemo. It's very decompressed storytelling with a lot of mystery about what exactly's going on.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty

SlothfulCobra posted:

Shield Hero Is probably mostly bad, and definitely comes out of an unhealthy worldview and mindset, but it kinda makes me weirdly sentimental about when I was a lot younger and was filled with bitterness and hate, which may also be a bad thing.

The whole setup for it was definitely bad, it would've been better if they had some kind of fantasy J Jonah Jamison instead. It's a little fun that over time, people start giving him the "Hey idiot, if you keep doing nice things for people, they'll like you, despite your past reputation" shpiel, but there is something that's kinda philosophically wrong about all of it that I can't quite put my finger on.
I can understand that, but I read a whole bunch of it when I was binging series at my old work position where I'd have long periods of downtime, up to when the pope tries to spirit bomb the shield hero and friends which is far past when I felt like I should have stopped, and it's really not good. It reminding you of those times when you were a bad misanthropic person is one thing, but that doesn't make it an enjoyable or well-written series.

Isekai series have a tendency to introduce harem elements into them at some point, or a wide variety of potential suitors at various times at the minimum. Shield Hero has one of the worse examples of that, with multiple way too young girls attaching themselves to him. And the sidekick girl inexplicably digivolving into a sexy lady smacked of an editor going "we need a hero character we can make a sexy statue of". Her staying a young girl but a badass fighter like the girl with the gauntlets from battle chasers would've been neat, but her basically becoming a hot college student with the mentality of a 9-year-old is Bad with a capital B

I really wanted to like it, I did. The artwork is mostly really well done, some of the storytelling is too, but those combined with some other things people told me of what happens in the LN made me nope right on out of there.

quote:

Has anyone recommended The Girl From the Other Side - Siúil, a Rún yet? That's something that's really different.

It's all about a little girl being taken care of by a terrifying cursed shadow skull person. It's a very different style from most manga, either children's storybook or like 19th century cartoon like Little Nemo. It's very decompressed storytelling with a lot of mystery about what exactly's going on.
The skullman reminds me of Elias from The Ancient Magus Bride.

Samuringa
Mar 27, 2017

Best advice I was ever given?

"Ticker, you'll be a lot happier once you stop caring about the opinions of a culture that is beneath you."

I learned my worth, learned the places and people that matter.

Opened my eyes.

I didn't like RE:ZERO either but it was pretty popular, for some reason, so :shrug:

Clawtopsy
Dec 17, 2009

What a fascinatingly unusual cock. Now, allow me to show you my collection...

Samuringa posted:

I didn't like RE:ZERO either but it was pretty popular, for some reason, so :shrug:

Jackard
Oct 28, 2007

We Have A Bow And We Wish To Use It
Who is the blue one?

Clawtopsy
Dec 17, 2009

What a fascinatingly unusual cock. Now, allow me to show you my collection...

Jackard posted:

Who is the blue one?

Which?

Argue
Sep 29, 2005

I represent the Philippines

Captain Invictus posted:

Ascendence of a Bookworm, I've heard good things about this but haven't read it yet so I can't say for sure.

This one is great; well, at least in book form. The manga adaptation is faithful and adapts most of the important bits. It's not exactly full of action, and it's an incredibly slow burn, but it's got a lot of "I have to figure out how to recreate this thing from earth using fantasy world resources", if uplift fiction is what floats your boat. If you're the type who gets annoyed when an isekai character just goes "and then I invented chocolate [explanation of how is left as an exercise for the reader]" then you'll be very happy with this because it goes into excruciating detail about everything she invents (or fails to invent), from the stitches on clothes to paper and ink. If you can read Japanese, the web novel is complete and free to read at around 700 chapters, but the manga adaptation will take... oh, I'd say 5 years to complete at its projected rate. And the manga translations are even slower. A goon is translating the novel here, and his work is pretty high quality, but you'll also be left hanging as he's only 67 chapters in.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
Literally 700 chapters, or is that exaggeration? How long are the chapters?

ryonguy
Jun 27, 2013

SlothfulCobra posted:

Has anyone recommended The Girl From the Other Side - Siúil, a Rún yet? That's something that's really different.

It's all about a little girl being taken care of by a terrifying cursed shadow skull person. It's a very different style from most manga, either children's storybook or like 19th century cartoon like Little Nemo. It's very decompressed storytelling with a lot of mystery about what exactly's going on.

Highly recommended. Great art, and interesting story with a setting that really is going for something original. A world being slowly revealed is always good.

Argue
Sep 29, 2005

I represent the Philippines

Captain Invictus posted:

Literally 700 chapters, or is that exaggeration? How long are the chapters?

Literally 700 chapters. 677 plus a bunch of bonus ones. The manga adapts 2-3 chapters at a time and new issues come out every 3 weeks. They actually realized that at this rate, it could possibly take 10 years to adapt everything, so they got a second mangaka to adapt arc 3 (of 5) concurrently with the upcoming adaptation of arc 2. One chapter of the novel takes about 10 minutes to read by my reckoning; word count puts the English versions at about 4000-4500 words per.

It's not for everyone because it's an incredibly slow burn (30 chapters in and about all she has to show for it is some low quality paper, for example), but it's surprisingly educational and I love it. If you want to discuss the web novel rather than the manga, by the way, there's a dedicated thread for Japanese WNs.

Mindblast
Jun 28, 2006

Moving at the speed of death.


Samuringa posted:

God is Dead And This Is The Hell We Built For Ourselves: Now And Then, Here and There

Ok so what do you actually need to type into google to find more info because this isn't doing anything.

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Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
The actual name is Now and Then, Here and There. The rest of it is "what type of story it is and how it will make you feel", but they capitalized every word for some reason!

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