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Notorious b.s.d. posted:it's much worse than that This is why TCL is great. Everything is a string all the time!
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awk is great for that intermediate step living in the space between "I need to grep and sed a lot of poo poo" and "I don't want to write a python/ruby/perl script just for regexes"
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VikingofRock posted:This is why TCL is great. Everything is a string all the time! tcl is unironically better than bash in every way
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:tcl is unironically better than bash in every way 
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Mar 9, 2018 04:46
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we established long ago that you are too badly damaged by your career to understand the difference between good and bad.
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Mar 9, 2018 04:51
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You make a good point, we should do our scripting in LabView
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haha it's funny because of ptsd victims
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Mar 9, 2018 04:59
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:we established long ago that you are too badly damaged by your career to understand the difference between good and bad.
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i've had a great career tyvm
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Gazpacho posted:i've had a great career tyvm i don't doubt your great career, but it came at a terrible price
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Mar 9, 2018 05:24
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VikingofRock posted:You make a good point, we should do our scripting in LabView
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Mar 9, 2018 06:40
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labview is really pretty fuckin awesome (if you can ignore the licensing, platform support, and terrible effort required in integration)
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VikingofRock posted:You make a good point, we should do our scripting in FilterTop
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:labview is really pretty fuckin awesome there are good reasons the National Instruments GPIB and A-D I/O cards are still hella expensive, even the 20-30 year old NuBus models for the Mac II and Quadra
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i have never had a really bad time debugging labview code, because the debugger is the primary interface to interact with code at all. it is a wonderful model where it all breaks down is trying to write code that integrates with labview. worst. sdk. ever. at least, in 2004
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eschaton posted:there are good reasons the National Instruments GPIB and A-D I/O cards are still hella expensive, even the 20-30 year old NuBus models for the Mac II and Quadra because folks paid for mac II labview licenses and are deeply, terribly frightened of an upgrade? 
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I don’t recall what I saw of the original Mac SDK in the early 1990s as being particularly bad maybe that’s why all that old hardware is still in use, nobody knows how to port the custom software forward (you can still download all the old drivers and SDKs from ftp.ni.com too of course, including PDF docs)
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eschaton posted:I don’t recall what I saw of the original Mac SDK in the early 1990s as being particularly bad from what I can recall, the interface between lab view and external C code is almost entirely in-debugable. a cruel twist from a language built around debugging
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visual programming languages are an idea so tantalyzingly obvious. so seductive. by unfurling our linear programs into 2d diagrams, they will become intuitive. why, even a child could follow a flow-chart which converts temperature in fahrenheit to celsius and understand how it works! at a glance! python by comparison is a hopeless miasma; a sea of bizarre punctuation characters and juxtaposed sentence fragments. structure is far less obvious and natural than in the graphical presentation. the age of text-based programming is dead! we will never be free of this spectre. simple things are so simple in visual programming languages that the mounting inconvenience of building large, complex programs in this fashion will only ever be discovered when things are far too late. the incidental problems of planar layout, the need to reinvent all the tools available for text- fuzzy searching, revision control, diffing, etc- the aching slowness of dragging together programs box by box and threading them together. these are all a slow chilling after the initial excitement. perhaps if we we just stacked the boxes like this, or used color-coded handles, or made it more like a spreadsheet- yes, it will all be different this time. visual programming has been the way of the future for 50 years, in countless guises, and I have no doubt it will keep resurfacing and failing for the next century.
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i mean what do you expect from a cohort that thinks comic books are a superior narrative medium to novels
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Sapozhnik posted:i mean what do you expect from a cohort that thinks comic books are a superior narrative medium to novels
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Sapozhnik posted:i mean what do you expect from a cohort that thinks comic books are a superior narrative medium to novels i'm triggered (comics are a great medium too, don't be like that)
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comics are books for children and or illiterate people
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eh, most of the are for kids.
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if i get you guys at secret santa I'll not send you cool comics like Asterios Polyp, I'll send you CRAP instead, you've been warned.
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*reading Great Expectations* this loving blows can you intersperse it with pictures of cartoon tits for me to gawk at also it needs more fight scenes
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ah, the zero sum argument
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q: is tis-100 a visual programming language?
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comic books may not be bad but they are directly responsible for comic book movies
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:comic books may not be bad but they are directly responsible for comic book movies Agreed. They're entirely awful.
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ready player one
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Symbolic Butt posted:q: is tis-100 a visual programming language? kinda. a similar example is also blueprints from unreal engine 4, which is a visual programming language in which people have recreated entire minecraft clones from scratch. the voxel engine, the gameplay, the terrain generation, everything. i don't know why one would want to do that, seeing how it's a gigantic loving mess, but you can. Fiedler posted:Agreed. They're entirely awful. i just don't watch them. i dunno what else to tell you, except don't watch poo poo you dislike.
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black panther owns, gently caress you
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The fact that Labview is used to control actual machinery is horrifying. At least bash can't blow anything up or maim someone if you screw up.
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Symbolic Butt posted:q: is tis-100 a visual programming language? reminds me of bluej, really
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HappyHippo posted:The fact that Labview is used to control actual machinery is horrifying. At least bash can't blow anything up or maim someone if you screw up. not with that attitude
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Truga posted:i just don't watch them. i dunno what else to tell you, except don't watch poo poo you dislike. Don't worry, I don't watch them.
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labview doesn't let you zoom because lots of its interpretation of what the blocks in the window are supposed to do comes down to the relative positions of the pixels in the icons and wires
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the wiseman bowed his head and spoke: text is actually a kind of visualization. you imbecile. you loving moron
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