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Ego-bot posted:In other news... I like that Blade Runner 2049 performing poorly hasn't stalled this at all.
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How in the hell does Blade Runner 2049 not tank a multi-film Dune adaptation.
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Mar 10, 2018 05:49
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Barudak posted:How in the hell does Blade Runner 2049 not tank a multi-film Dune adaptation. It's coming has been foretold!
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Mar 10, 2018 06:18
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The sleeper has awakened! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B6jgkcANRE
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Mar 10, 2018 06:43
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LesterGroans posted:I like that Blade Runner 2049 performing poorly hasn't stalled this at all. I don't think Blade Runner performed poorly, it just wasn't a AAA smash blockbuster.
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Mar 10, 2018 06:45
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Rough Lobster posted:I don't think Blade Runner performed poorly, it just wasn't a AAA smash blockbuster. Budget $150–185 million Box office $259.2 million That seems pretty "bad" from an idiot studio head point of view. I hope that its critical acclaim would make said idiot studio keep the faith in DV
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Mar 10, 2018 06:47
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I sat for some ten minute sneak peek at Wrinkle in Time at Disneyland last weekend. I read the book as a kid but my memory of it is pretty minimal. The movie looked really stupid. My 15 year daughter said it looked okay, but has no interest in seeing it. My 9 year old son said he’d rather watch Black Panther again.
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Mar 10, 2018 06:58
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I think 2049 is going to end up having a long tail but time will tell.
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Mar 10, 2018 07:01
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John Wilkes Booth posted:Was on a Simpsons clip binge on YT the other day and saw that scene. 'Thus preparing the children for permanent positions in tomorrow's mills and processing facilities'. I'm not sure if that has aged really poorly or hilariously well, given American public schools are basically structured to train children for factory jobs that no longer exist in the country. On the Liefeld note, I felt that his success might have been almost accidental; he tapped into an aesthetic and zeitgeist that teenagers all over the country were ready for, and then the industry industry milked it to death (and their own death). Which also gave him so much popularity for his indulgent, low-effort work that he never had any further pressure to improve.
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Mar 10, 2018 07:23
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Jerkface posted:Budget $150–185 million Well that idiot studio head is Ridley Scott and he's been making GBS threads all over DV since the film bombed. Luckily the rest of the industry blame Scott's lovely production company for tanking BR and Alien Covenant in the same year so, for once, it's the idiot studio head and not the visionary director who have suffered.
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Mar 10, 2018 08:51
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Jerkface posted:Budget $150–185 million Oh man, I thought it lost money with everyone talking about how poo poo it was doing.
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Mar 10, 2018 08:58
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The thing about Valerian is while the romantic aspect of it is kinda weak, in that sense it captures that Eurocomic feel of "just accept this as part of the story, they've got this relationship where they fight but they're gonna end up together, you know the drill." Like the big scene establishing all that is weak but the rest of the movie is fun goofy nonsense so it's hard to complain.
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Mar 10, 2018 09:09
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K. Waste posted:Valerian is cool and rad and also pretty funny. Last few posts inspired me to check out Valerian this evening. Yeesh... Kinda fun space world visuals but otherwise it is baaaad.
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Mar 10, 2018 09:24
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IShallRiseAgain posted:Apparently, they also tried to cut out all the Christian stuff from Wrinkle in Time. Now, I'm not Christian, and have no interest in Christian movies, but it sounds like they removed a fundamental part of the work. I saw it tonight because my wife got free tickets. It's a pretty movie, but yeah they must have cut a lot out from the original story because there's not really much to it, there's about 30 minutes worth of plot stretched out to two hours.
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Mar 10, 2018 09:44
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Valerian is an example of a genuine anti-hero. This is why people frame their complaints as Valerian failing to meet some standard, like the usual suggestion that they should have cast someone with more "charisma". What they're saying is that they, as viewers, would accept Valerian being a bad person if he was "charming" enough. The secret to most anti-heroes is that they tend to satisfy viewers by providing some catharsis through transgression. But with Valerian they're forced to view the anti-hero objectively and see him for what he is.
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Mar 10, 2018 09:51
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:For some reason a lot of people insist that "the movie" tried to convince them that Valerian was cool. Yeah, nope, I read none of that at all. His character seemed very much of the "loose cannon that gets results" variety, but the actor playing him couldn't deliver on that. Do you suppose there's a reason "a lot of people insist" this thing that you disagree with? Nah, that's crazy.
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Mar 10, 2018 10:00
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raditts posted:I saw it tonight because my wife got free tickets. It's a pretty movie, but yeah they must have cut a lot out from the original story because there's not really much to it, there's about 30 minutes worth of plot stretched out to two hours. Nah, when I read the book (listened to) not long ago, when it was over I thought "is that it?"
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Mar 10, 2018 10:03
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Rick posted:I think 2049 is going to end up having a long tail but time will tell. It is almost fitting that the sequel to Blade Runner underperformed just like Blade Runner. I'm just glad it turned out to be a worthy sequel instead of a forgettable cash-in.
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Mar 10, 2018 10:04
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raditts posted:His character seemed very much of the "loose cannon that gets results" variety, but the actor playing him couldn't deliver on that. Do you suppose there's a reason "a lot of people insist" this thing that you disagree with? I explained it two times. Valerian is an authentic anti-hero, and it bothers people to no end. This is why there's also complaints like this that he doesn't fit some archetype or trope: he seems to be a loose cannon, but he's not, and that's clearly a problem.
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Mar 10, 2018 10:10
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The later Wrinkle in Time books deffo have a more interesting scope but they also become basically incomprehensible.
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Mar 10, 2018 10:16
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:I explained it two times. Valerian is an authentic anti-hero, and it bothers people to no end. This is why there's also complaints like this that he doesn't fit some archetype or trope: he seems to be a loose cannon, but he's not, and that's clearly a problem. Okay.
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Mar 10, 2018 10:18
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DoctorWhat posted:The later Wrinkle in Time books deffo have a more interesting scope but they also become basically incomprehensible. Where does the "time" part play into things, or the "wrinkle" part for that matter? I figured from the title that there would be time travel or something, but from what I could tell there was nothing remotely if the sort.
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Mar 10, 2018 10:20
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hemale in pain posted:Oh man, I thought it lost money with everyone talking about how poo poo it was doing.
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Mar 10, 2018 11:23
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:I explained it two times. Valerian is an authentic anti-hero, and it bothers people to no end. This is why there's also complaints like this that he doesn't fit some archetype or trope: he seems to be a loose cannon, but he's not, and that's clearly a problem. Some movies are just bad, bro.
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Mar 10, 2018 13:10
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Doflamingo posted:Some movies are just bad, bro. The explanations offered for why it's were that that a character seems like they should fit an archetype, but doesn't.
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Mar 10, 2018 13:12
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:I explained it two times. Valerian is an authentic anti-hero, and it bothers people to no end. This is why there's also complaints like this that he doesn't fit some archetype or trope: he seems to be a loose cannon, but he's not, and that's clearly a problem. He's definitely a loose cannon. He spends the whole film breaking regulations and going in to situations he's either not supposed to go in, or going in on ways he's not supposed to, in order to 'but damnit get results.'
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Mar 10, 2018 14:03
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raditts posted:Where does the "time" part play into things, or the "wrinkle" part for that matter? I figured from the title that there would be time travel or something, but from what I could tell there was nothing remotely if the sort. The Wrinkle in Time refers to how they travel. They told space/time and step through. Like Dune or Event Horizon
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Mar 10, 2018 14:17
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Al Borland Corp. posted:He's definitely a loose cannon. He spends the whole film breaking regulations and going in to situations he's either not supposed to go in, or going in on ways he's not supposed to, in order to 'but damnit get results.' You seem to have confused bumbling with rebellion.
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Mar 10, 2018 14:21
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Inescapable Duck posted:'Thus preparing the children for permanent positions in tomorrow's mills and processing facilities'. I'm not sure if that has aged really poorly or hilariously well, given American public schools are basically structured to train children for factory jobs that no longer exist in the country. What I find somewhat irritating is the "subversive tone" in Deadpool is entirely a result of the writers and artists that saw what Liefield created, said gently caress THAT, and actually made something good with it. Joe Kelly, Fabian Nicieza, etc. They're the artists that should be getting their poo poo greenlighted, not a particularly dim 12 year old in a 50 year old body.
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Mar 10, 2018 14:25
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I dont get the Dune love. Essplain?
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Mar 10, 2018 16:19
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Lol if you never wanted to get hosed up on spice beer and float through the air after pulling your boy toys' heart plug so he can die in your arms
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Mar 10, 2018 16:25
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Gatts posted:I dont get the Dune love. Essplain? The movie or the book? Maxwell Lord posted:The thing about Valerian is while the romantic aspect of it is kinda weak, in that sense it captures that Eurocomic feel of "just accept this as part of the story, they've got this relationship where they fight but they're gonna end up together, you know the drill." Like the big scene establishing all that is weak but the rest of the movie is fun goofy nonsense so it's hard to complain. The actual anti-hero is a long standing Eurocomics tradition, how do you think Scrooge McDuck got so popular there? It's because he's a collossal rear end in a top hat. Where's my big budget Satanik picture.
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Mar 10, 2018 16:49
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raditts posted:Yeah, nope, I read none of that at all. His character seemed very much of the "loose cannon that gets results" variety, but the actor playing him couldn't deliver on that. Do you suppose there's a reason "a lot of people insist" this thing that you disagree with? Yeah, I actually think the performance of the actors is fine in the movie, but Dane DeHann totally misread the character of Valerian, if that makes sense. He should have played him as a Zapp Branigan or Jack Burton or even a sleazier James Bond. But DeHaan's characterization is entirely too wholesome and give Delevingne nothing to work with. The scene with Valerian deciding what to do with the converter could work with a Valerian who is just too dumb to know what is right and wrong, and has to be told what to do from his more competent partner. Or it could work if he was just such a cad he didn't care what's right or wrong, he's just trying to hook up with Laureline. Instead it's the climax of a romantic plot of two characters who don't really even seem to like each other very much.
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Mar 10, 2018 17:02
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Gatts posted:I dont get the Dune love. Essplain? I don’t fully get it either. The book had a cool story and setting but was a slog to get through and I didn’t particularly like the way it was written.
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Gatts posted:I dont get the Dune love. Essplain? Dune the book is just a great loving work of fiction that sidelines nerd fetishism with things like plausible technobabble, weaponry, computers, and all that poo poo. Instead frank herbert made a universe where a war/rebellion against thinking machines already happened so long ago, the events therein have passed on into legend. Instead you have humans who use drugs to mimic the more advanced computations a society like ours would thoughtlessly defer to a computer. You have humans who give their lives and immerse themselves in another drug that mutates them into something that's basically not human anymore in the later stages of its development, that can, in a very limited way, see into the future and safely navigate the stars with a faster than light method of travel. It's a book with feudal politics, explorations into the capabilities of the human mind, musings on what it is to be human, ecology. on a meta level it deconstructs narrative tropes common in all fiction like the heroes journey. it has things to say on religion, and sexual politics. It's overall unique in what it set out to do and is well written. Can you tell I like Dune? Anyway, the move, David Lynch's Dune, attempts to and does a solid job of adapting the language of the novel into the visual language of a film. It, with much broader strokes, tries to paint a similar picture to the book. Because of how naturally difficult dune is to adapt, in no small part due to how it was written, not so much the themes and events themselves, only the way the story is told, leaning heavily on internal monologues and passive voice. It has a lot of flaws, many of which I'm content to lay on the studio and the producers Laurentiis, more than on David Lynch, is still incredibly fun and interesting, and sure to cause a debate over whether it's a good movie or not (it is a good movie) The mini-series is nearly slavish in its attempt to adapt certain elements of the book, while failing utterly in being a decent miniseries. The special effects are bad even for a tv movie of the time. The costume design is awful and uninspired, the acting is almost entirely terrible, but it does its best to follow the story, and arguably does a better job at this than Lynch's Dune. Basically, Dune deserves love. There's nothing to 'get' beyond that. If you don't like that, that's okay. You're wrong, but you're allowed to be wrong. Asnorban posted:I don’t fully get it either. The book had a cool story and setting but was a slog to get through and I didn’t particularly like the way it was written. loving nonsense.
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After being immersed in the movie growing up, I was amazed at how much I hated the second half of the book. Almost entirely due to Paul. I'm not sure I'll like a two film Dune from the standpoint of that character being the focus after becoming. That's said, I totally hate multiple films made from one book so I read that news as a negative already. Where in the story can you break it in half and have a satisfying first movie? But drat did I dislike everything about Paul in the latter half.
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Mar 10, 2018 18:07
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Al Borland Corp. posted:He's definitely a loose cannon. He spends the whole film breaking regulations and going in to situations he's either not supposed to go in, or going in on ways he's not supposed to, in order to 'but damnit get results.' The problem with this is that Valerian and Laureline are too high ranked for this to apply to him. They don't act against authority, they are the authority for the duration of the crisis.
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Mar 10, 2018 18:30
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A Wrinkle in Time is the movie where Oprah goes Super Saiyan, right? I was curious about that.
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Mar 10, 2018 18:48
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:A Wrinkle in Time is the movie where Oprah goes Super Saiyan, right? I was curious about that. I believe that was The Color Purple.
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Gatts posted:I dont get the Dune love. Essplain? The movie or the planet?
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