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drrockso20 posted:I actually didn't say that, I just noted an inconsistency in her art I hope if they get a new artist they will not try to do hyper-realism or whatnot. I wonder what Kyle Baker is up to lately.
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Mr. Maltose posted:You don't understand how art works, got it. Nah I understand art just fine, but you are definitely a pretentious douche
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Nessus posted:It is a shame that we are not as smart and perceptive as you; but we have you, at least, to guide us. gently caress you
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drrockso20 posted:gently caress you
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Mar 10, 2018 12:11
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How anybody finds the time to complain about Henderson's art when Jon Malin is still drawing a paycheck from Marvel is beyond me. There's a deep difference between "art with a style I don't like" and "draftmanship that is objectively awful", and the latter is probably a better hill to stand on.
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drrockso20 posted:Nah I understand art just fine, but you are definitely a pretentious douche Oh for sure man. You're the one who hates the obviously hard crafted cartoonist's style because it's "meh" but I'm the douche. Gotcha. It's all the others that are idiots.
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Nessus posted:C'mon, he was great with Plastic Man. I was saying that to the first part of the comment, not the second Alien Rope Burn posted:How anybody finds the time to complain about Henderson's art when Jon Malin is still drawing a paycheck from Marvel is beyond me. I'd actually never heard of that guy before, and yeah his art is mediocre upon doing a quick Google search, although I have a feeling he still gets work for the reasons that Liefeld still gets it, seniority and connections in the industry As for Henderson, my main problem with her art is that the way she draws faces makes it look like she's drawing with mashed potatoes instead of pen and pencil, at least for what she draws in the actual comics, she's slightly better at it for covers and some of the doodles I've seen her post online actually look okay, the problem seems to be that her drawing style is not suited at all for the pace of monthly comic books Mr. Maltose posted:Oh for sure man. You're the one who hates the obviously hard crafted cartoonist's style because it's "meh" but I'm the douche. Gotcha. It's all the others that are idiots. It's the condescending way you're talking to me that makes you a douche, note I haven't said one word about anyone's intelligence here* *yes I'm aware I used the word idiotic in an earlier post, but that was not in anyway meant to imply anyone here is an idiot
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You called people idiots, my dude. Also I 'condescended' to you based on your smug spoiler text about her art being 'mediocre', which is the most useless phrase to use when talking about Henderson's art! The entire fact this polarizing discussion/shitslinging happens is because the art in Squirrel Girl is the farthest thing from mediocre, and kind of proves my point that you don't like it but don't have an actual vocabulary to discuss your dislike of it. Which you are allowed to do! I do not think I can make people who do not like the art in Squirrel Girl to change their minds! But it is neither 'meh' or 'mediocre', it is purposeful and designed for specific effect with obvious effort applied. In a company that suffers a lot from simply sufficient workman's art, it's a pretty major insult to insist Erica Henderson is being pedestrian.
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Mar 10, 2018 12:34
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Oh boy heated discussion of opinions
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Mar 10, 2018 12:36
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drrockso20 posted:As for Henderson, my main problem with her art is that the way she draws faces makes it look like she's drawing with mashed potatoes instead of pen and pencil, at least for what she draws in the actual comics, she's slightly better at it for covers and some of the doodles I've seen her post online actually look okay, the problem seems to be that her drawing style is not suited at all for the pace of monthly comic books Like, sure, her faces are kind of same-y, but this is true for many artists. Granted also that her style is more cartoony and round-facey than some. Her stuff is certainly no worse than Frank Miller's and is certainly a drat sight better in terms of use of color even if it is somewhat more deficient in beaten-up batpeople or prostitutes.
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Well, Frank Quitely can't draw anybody without them looking like a mashed-face mutant, but on things like page flow, composition, perspective, things like that, he's mind-blowing. A lot of Henderson's strengths are in expression, comedy, and panel composition, the former of which aren't traditional mainstream comic art "virtues", but they're there. If you blank out the word panels in an Henderson page, you often have a pretty decent idea of what's going on. When compared with somebody like Malin who struggles to manage things like perspective, background, who struggles to draw the simple angles of a sword, much less give panels a clear flow from one action to the next... she's so many years or artistic progress beyond him it's ridiculous. That being said, saying you don't like an artist's style is always legit and you don't need to justify that. But that doesn't necessarily mean they're a bad artist.
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Mr. Maltose posted:
You were the one who turned this into a passive aggressive pissing contest regardless of whether or not you thought you were entitled to do so. For goodness sake stop reacting to other people's opinions of art like a bunch of kindergartners.
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Nilbop posted:For goodness sake stop reacting to other people's opinions of art like a bunch of kindergartners. Lol maybe if we replace everyone’s mind itt with doctor octopus’s mind
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Nilbop posted:You were the one who turned this into a passive aggressive pissing contest regardless of whether or not you thought you were entitled to do so. I think the person who said that thinking that Squirrel Girl's art was good was idiotic was the passive aggressor personally. That's just a personal opinion, mind you. Just one dude's thoughts on this whole situation.
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Mar 10, 2018 14:02
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I like Erica Henderson's art but it's okay if you don't.
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Mar 10, 2018 15:11
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Connellingus posted:I like Erica Henderson's art but it's okay if you don't. Her art is poo poo but it’s okay if you like poo poo (Is what every dead gay art argument in this sub forum sounds like)
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Mar 10, 2018 15:14
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Teenage Fansub posted:Save us from the Henderson haters swearing they can now buy the book cause everyone stopped having bucked teeth. I don't understand why everyone having buck teeth is treated as a ridiculous critique. I mean whatever, to each their own, but classifying criticism as "hating" is dumb. TwoPair fucked around with this message at 15:29 on Mar 10, 2018 |
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Mar 10, 2018 15:24
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Unbeatable Squirrel Girl will continue! With art duties traded off each arc by Greg Land and Michael Gaydos...
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Mar 10, 2018 15:36
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Here's my critique of Erica Henderson's art:  What great backgrounds!   Wow!
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Mar 10, 2018 16:07
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Skwirl posted:Erica Henderson off Squirrel Girl I love Henderson's art, so this is uhh... bad news. I'll pretend there's a legitimate hope gurihiru replaces her Marvel 2018 - all your favs are gone
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Mar 10, 2018 17:44
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site posted:I love Henderson's art, so this is uhh... bad news. I'll pretend there's a legitimate hope gurihiru replaces her This is my hope too, their model for Squirrel Girl in the last Gwenpool issue is just waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to cute 
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Mar 10, 2018 18:27
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twistedmentat posted:This is my hope too, their model for Squirrel Girl in the last Gwenpool issue is just waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to cute This is what I immediately thought of too. They would be perfect for Squirrel Girl.
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Mar 10, 2018 18:54
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Yeah, they also managed to almost 1:1 copy the look of older alt-u squirrel girl from Henderson's art so i think id trust them to maintain the style of the book
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Mar 10, 2018 19:05
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Gurihiru is what everyone wants. Maybe for an entirely different series with an entirely different aim, but an adorable Disneyish SG would be completely missing the point for this one.
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Teenage Fansub posted:Gurihiru is what everyone wants. Maybe for an entirely different series with an entirely different aim, but an adorable Disneyish SG would be completely missing the point for this one. I don't think Erica Henderson's squirrel girl is unattractive on purpose.
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Teenage Fansub posted:Gurihiru is what everyone wants. Maybe for an entirely different series with an entirely different aim, but an adorable Disneyish SG would be completely missing the point for this one.
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Lurdiak posted:I don't think Erica Henderson's squirrel girl is unattractive on purpose. Her aim is completely different from Gurihiru's and it's not through some ineptitude. I dunno if she's waking up every day cursing her inability to go cloyingly cute with the character. You simply couldn't transplant this..  ..into the same comic. It wouldn't be a better version. It would be an entirely different thing. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Mar 10, 2018 |
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well like i said before i think they have the ability to copy the look pretty well when they want to  like, if anything, gurihiru is the only artist (team) that i know of in the marvel bench who has accurately portrayed hendersons style tbh though i dont really see a problem with sg having a cute animeish style anyways it already has a goofy cartoony look to it site fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Mar 10, 2018 |
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Teenage Fansub posted:Her aim is completely different from Gurihiru's and it's not through some ineptitude. I dunno if she's waking up every day cursing her inability to go cloyingly cute with the character. Using a standalone piece of art as an argument against hiring that person to do sequential, story-based art is kinda ridiculous, my man Like, of course that piece is aggressively cute, it's pretty clearly meant to be aggressively cute. That doesn't mean Gurihiru is incapable of drawing SG any other way, as site's example demonstrates; all it means is that that style matched the aims of the piece they were trying to do.
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Teenage Fansub posted:Her aim is completely different from Gurihiru's and it's not through some ineptitude. I dunno if she's waking up every day cursing her inability to go cloyingly cute with the character. This is a bad argument. You're also ignoring that maybe North will change up the book a little to suit the new artist. Just because it's the same series doesn't mean that they need to try to keep doing the same thing with a new artist. Good writers will write to the strengths of their artists. Gurihiru's style would fit the character and quite possibly bring something new and exciting to her. Just because it would be different from Henderson's doesn't mean it wouldn't work.
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That's what I said. It couldn't be the same comic with another artist and Henderson doesn't make her characters look the way they do cause she's inept. I'm defending her being crucial to what that run was rather than dumping on the other guy. It'd be getting a 'fresh start' new #1 anyway, so  edit: Anyway, forget Gurihiru. You would need another misunderstood illustrating genius to continue USG... Howard Chaykin! Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Mar 10, 2018 |
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well, disregarding that i disagree with the premise of "no one can draw the book like henderson does" in the first place, i guess i dont see what it is in particular about her art that means north now has to fuax-reboot the story and write it differently now that shes gone what is it about her art specifically that means the book can't be the same site fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Mar 10, 2018 |
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site posted:well, disregarding that i disagree with the premise of "no one can draw the book like henderson does" in the first place, i guess i dont see what it is in particular about her art that means north now has to fuax-reboot the story and write it differently now that shes gone
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Gurihuri is one of the most goddamn amazing art choices in comics and would do well on almost any book, especially Squirrel Girl.
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I still love all the old Marvel Adventures stuff they worked on, it's worth looking up if you like their art.
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Nessus posted:I don't think this is like "a reboot" so much as "a possible shift in focus to play to a new artist's strengths." That doesn't really answer the question of what about her art is so intrinsic to the book as it is now that such a change would be necessitated tho Again, I love Henderson's art but I think north is perfectly capable of writing instructions for a different artist while continuing the story as is
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henderson's art is pretty unique and adds a lot of personality to the book. it's not my thing personally but changing artists would make it feel a lot different imo
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I'd suggest Faith Erin Hicks as a replacement, but I'd presume she's better off on her indie comics career than worrying about collecting one of Marvel's paltry paychecks. That could be presumption on my part, tho.
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Who was that lady who used to do the super-cartoony art on Hellcat? She'd do a good USG arc or two.
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Brittney Williams, yeah she'd be a good choice too
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