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Sarcopenia posted:Aaah finally the recaps of The Office have stopped... That's what she said
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I liked Tom because he was so earnest in his douchiness that it became entertaining. And every other character is aware of his antics but they view him as entertaining too.
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Mar 9, 2018 18:24
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And then he essentially guilts Rashida Jones into a relationship
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Mar 9, 2018 18:28
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Calaveron posted:And then he essentially guilts Rashida Jones into a relationship Yeah this is where poo poo got kinda stupid. They seemed to not know what to do with Ann other than keep her as the relationship pushover until she inevitably got back with Chris Thankfully they continuously pointed out how stupid it was, but it was still awkward and awful
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Mar 9, 2018 18:39
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Clam Chowdown posted:I'll give you the rest of the post, but why wouldn't we be mad at the Fonz here? Tom had a legitimately good idea that he turned into a successful business, and then a rich white dude steals the idea and ruins him. And he does it because his kids are mad that Tom dumped them because they were dragging him down. Because Tom is a selfish prick who deserves to suffer.
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Mar 9, 2018 18:43
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Henchman of Santa posted:Tom getting thrown through a bookcase is one of the greatest pieces of physical comedy I’ve ever seen. Also Entertaiment 720 rules. By a gleefully cackling Megan Mullally no less. The Tammy's were always fun.
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Mar 9, 2018 19:50
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Lord Sexatron posted:That's the joke. He's constantly treated like poo poo but has a wonderful family and personal life, while packing some serious heat. The Office had a similar joke going with Toby, except I guess they slowly revealed that he's a loser and his life is terrible. It wasn't funny on either show.
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Mar 9, 2018 21:41
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There was one episode where Jerry yelled at someone for being pretentious while doing a burger taste test and I think that was the only time I laughed at Jerry.
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Mar 9, 2018 22:14
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I think every sitcom has the funny unlikeable comedic relief who the writers try to turn into an actual character as seasons go by.
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Mar 9, 2018 22:48
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Mu Zeta posted:There was one episode where Jerry yelled at someone for being pretentious while doing a burger taste test and I think that was the only time I laughed at Jerry. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q84nfWkLsYU
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Mar 10, 2018 00:15
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FELD1 posted:By a gleefully cackling Megan Mullally no less. The Tammy's were always fun. Lucy Lawless saying her middle name was Tammy when they were getting married might be the greatest joke of the whole series.
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Mar 10, 2018 09:51
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The All In The Family episode where Edith almost got raped. She isn't even that hot. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Mar 10, 2018 10:26
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gamey posted:The All In The Family episode where Edith almost got raped. She isn't even that hot. This post immediately hasn't aged well
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Mar 10, 2018 13:23
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Yeah, the whole thing was that it's actually an interesting sequence because the audience don't know what the hell to do - should they find the verbal jokes funny (like Edith pathetically trying to placate him with coffee is obviously written like a joke), or should they find the impending threat worrying because the motions/body language make what's about to happen clear and are being played seriously? They are reduced to a pathetic nervous chuckle followed by absolute discomfort and that in and of itself is worth the price of a poorly thought out scene. The silly sitcom has just elicited a reaction way more profound than they were expecting going in. It's like the Jerry Lewis movie The Day the Clown Cried, just the perfect storm of "How did no one involved catch how awkward this would be, or was the awkwardness intentional?" and every idea involved being a bad one. BioEnchanted has a new favorite as of 13:32 on Mar 10, 2018 |
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Mar 10, 2018 13:30
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purple death ray posted:This post immediately hasn't aged well I was working on a much longer reply but you nailed it in one, thank you for this. BioEnchanted also describes the feeling well. It’s a deeply uncomfortable scene to watch; the audience reaction to how Edith finally evades the rapist is one of biggest in the history of the show, just an explosive release of tension. As I recall Lear consulted with a rape crisis center and previewed the episode to hospitals and police stations, I’d love to know what the initial reaction was. Since we’re on All in the Family one of my favorite episodes is The Games Bunkers Play, one with very little Archie and instead more focused on Mike and his lack of self-reflection. The group (including their interfaith DINK neighbors the Lorenzos, Lionel Jefferson and his girlfriend, Gloria, and Edith) play a fictional board game called Group Therapy that challenges their beliefs and puts forth what-would-you-do situations. Mike is revealed to be pretty fragile about his liberal leanings when confronted with a game, taking it personality when he recognizes he’s just as bigoted and hard-headed as Archie in some respects.
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Mar 10, 2018 14:24
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Lord Sexatron posted:That's the joke. He's constantly treated like poo poo but has a wonderful family and personal life, while packing some serious heat. The best joke is Gayle in the future at Gary's funeral just being Christie Brinkley with everyone else aged up and Ben drooling over her.
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Mar 10, 2018 14:59
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I wouldn't call All in the Family just a silly sitcom. It probably dealt openly with more real issues than just about any show, certainly at the time. Also, gently caress that Trumpy rape post
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Mar 10, 2018 17:59
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The Bloop posted:I wouldn't call All in the Family just a silly sitcom. It probably dealt openly with more real issues than just about any show, certainly at the time. I think the main thing about All in the Family now is that it's part of the TV philosophy that shows could be used to explore deep social issues and be more relevant to audience's lives outside of just entertainment. And that philosophy over the last few decades eventually gave us shows with more freedom to tell stories but also gave us the hilarity pitfall that was Very Special Episodes that also shows TV sucks as an educational medium since the dividing line between 'entertainment' and 'education' is not very well defined.
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Mar 10, 2018 19:25
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The Bloop posted:I wouldn't call All in the Family just a silly sitcom. It probably dealt openly with more real issues than just about any show, certainly at the time. A couple of standout episodes: "Judging Books By Covers" - Archie thinks Mike's effeminate college friend is gay while Mike suspects Archie's macho football playing buddy is not what he seems. "The Draft Dodger" - Mike's draft-dodging friend comes down from Canada for Christmas dinner with the Bunkers along with Archie's Army buddy whose son was killed in Vietnam.
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Mar 10, 2018 19:53
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londonarbuckle posted:The Office had a similar joke going with Toby, except I guess they slowly revealed that he's a loser and his life is terrible. It wasn't funny on either show. it was awesome as hell that Jerry's home life was amazing and that his whole family was loving, beautiful people thats a super funny, good joke how can anybody not like it
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Mar 10, 2018 21:28
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Mister Kingdom posted:A couple of standout episodes: If you've never seen "The Draft Dodger" episode, it has aged extremely well.
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Mar 10, 2018 21:39
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Tumble posted:it was awesome as hell that Jerry's home life was amazing and that his whole family was loving, beautiful people I don't know if I watched far enough into the series to see episodes that showed his family, maybe those were funny. The everyone-hating-Jerry running joke sucked in the episodes I saw it in.
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Mar 10, 2018 21:44
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londonarbuckle posted:I don't know if I watched far enough into the series to see episodes that showed his family, maybe those were funny. The everyone-hating-Jerry running joke sucked in the episodes I saw it in. It starts out with him just the resident punching bag but as the series went on it showed him to be a real buffoon, messing up office work and having to do everything twice, falling in a river trying to get a burrito he dropped, but his life turned out to be amazing despite that. I'm sure we've all known this type of guy at some point in our lives, some happy-go-lucky halfwit who fails upwards and just has a carefree attitude towards life. gently caress that guy, is the joke.
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Mar 10, 2018 21:58
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Part of the joke is that people didn’t know about his amazing home life and treated him like poo poo The jokes were Chris says he will have sex with his daughter and Jerry’s all come on dude that’s fine but you don’t have to tell me were amazing though, same as the fact that in the end Jerry was mayor of Pawnee many many times
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Mar 10, 2018 22:04
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Yea the Jerry thing started boring but they quickly realized 'wait, if we make him a nice but kinda dumb guy then there's actual reason for everyone to dunk on him but still explains why no one actually seems to HATE him' and then they added 'oh but also what if he had a really hot wife and super nice and pretty daughters and they all love and respect him at home' to make it not just a parade of him getting slammed. They even had a whole episode where the people who make fun of him the most wind up outside looking in to his family christmas party with everyone having a great time and the payoff is of course he invited them too but they flagged all his emails as spam because he's annoying.
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Mar 10, 2018 22:27
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Also, Jerry was just an oaf, he wasn't incompetent at his job. He loved public service.
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Mar 10, 2018 23:05
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All in the Family is the greatest sitcom of all time and holds up perfectly fine. It tackled issues in ways that 99% of other shows have never come close to, usually in a very mature, funny, nuanced and well written way. Sure, Archie is the butt of most of the jokes but they poo poo on Mike too and show his hypocrisy a lot. It was the first show I recall ever tacking homosexuality, racism, interracial dating, war, gentrification, divorce, birth control, feminism, transvestism, and, yeah, rape. They even addressed terrorism. I don't think the rape episode was played for laughs at all. I saw it as a kid and recall being really scared actually. LOTS of talent on that show too. Carrol O'Conner, Jean Stapleton and Rob Reiner are loving fantastic. I won't listen to bad word said about All in the Family.
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BiggerBoat posted:I won't listen to bad word said about All in the Family. I agree with everything you said. I've been thinking about how Family Guy was almost certainly conceived as an homage to All in the Family with Peter being a loveable jerk, Lois having a noticably funny accent and going "Peetah!" the way Edith would yell "Ooh, Aachee" and Brian being the live-in liberal who points out Peter's gently caress ups and faux pas while being a bit arrogant and non introspective about his own biases. It's not a perfect match, but it's there, right down to the piano intro. This may be absurdly obvious or already officially confirmed or debunked, I've never read anything about it.
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Mar 11, 2018 06:00
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The Bloop posted:I agree with everything you said. Not sure about that, but I'm pretty sure that Cartman on South Park came out of Parker and Stone's desire to see another Archie Bunker onscreen. Just a hateful bigot. Because you didn't really see that anymore at the time.
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Mar 11, 2018 06:23
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Last Chance posted:Not sure about that, but I'm pretty sure that Cartman on South Park came out of Parker and Stone's desire to see another Archie Bunker onscreen. Just a hateful bigot. Because you didn't really see that anymore at the time. The real downside to bigotry in TV is the idea that people are smart enough to see you're pulling their leg and taking the piss out of them. A lot of bigots aren't and will go out of their way to brute force any mockery put towards them to prove their ideas. Stephen Colbert had that issue when he made fun of Dubya during 2005. It's a failure of the medium. Whenever you deal with topics and try to be evenhanded, it can also be seen as a justification of both sides which bigots latch onto and try to show as backing for their side. It's a dangerous game that, as of late, America has been feeling the brunt of. We're a nation of illusions to the point where anybody who grew up with a TV in the 50s/60s now simply can't get beyond that maybe the drat thing was lying to them.
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Mar 11, 2018 06:57
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sexpig by night posted:Yea the Jerry thing started boring but they quickly realized 'wait, if we make him a nice but kinda dumb guy then there's actual reason for everyone to dunk on him but still explains why no one actually seems to HATE him' and then they added 'oh but also what if he had a really hot wife and super nice and pretty daughters and they all love and respect him at home' to make it not just a parade of him getting slammed. They even had a whole episode where the people who make fun of him the most wind up outside looking in to his family christmas party with everyone having a great time and the payoff is of course he invited them too but they flagged all his emails as spam because he's annoying. Bullying doesn't become acceptable just because the target is otherwise happy and/or successful. The main cast relentlessly wailing on a designated punching bag isn't funny and it makes them all look like lovely people in a otherwise saccharine sweet workplace-as-family show.
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Mar 11, 2018 06:58
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Mad Doctor Cthulhu posted:The real downside to bigotry in TV is the idea that people are smart enough to see you're pulling their leg and taking the piss out of them. A lot of bigots aren't and will go out of their way to brute force any mockery put towards them to prove their ideas. Stephen Colbert had that issue when he made fun of Dubya during 2005. You might remember that Oz had a lot of sexual violence. I was never more alienated from my fellow humans as when I read up on an episode on IMDB, and saw a forums post about how funny some rape "joke" was. There is no amount of antagonist characterization that is going to stop some parts of the audience from sympathizing with the most heinous people.
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Mar 11, 2018 07:05
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I've got no idea what show people were talking about last page but the mention of April and Mona Lisa made me think Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. We're getting a new one of those soon, by the way. They've gone back to 2D animation instead of CGI this time around, and all the turtles are different species now. Raph is goddamn huge and uses tonfa instead of sais. (weirdly enough, there might be some relation there)
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Mar 11, 2018 07:16
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Which has been rebooted more times, TMNT or Scooby Doo?
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Mar 11, 2018 07:20
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Inescapable Duck posted:I've got no idea what show people were talking about last page but the mention of April and Mona Lisa made me think Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. I hope he meets Kurt Cobain in some multi-dimensional Lovecraftian subplot.
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Mar 11, 2018 07:21
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I hope he meets Kurt Cobain in some multi-dimensional Lovecraftian subplot. I just want you to know I appreciated this ref.
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Mar 11, 2018 07:25
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Choco1980 posted:I just want you to know I appreciated this ref. Station!
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LIVE AMMO ROLEPLAY posted:Which has been rebooted more times, TMNT or Scooby Doo? Scooby-Doo just flat out never bothered with continuity, except for that one time. TMNT has technically had more discrete reboots if we're going by that measurement. Still pales to Transformers, though.
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Mar 11, 2018 07:59
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The Bloop posted:I wouldn't call All in the Family just a silly sitcom. It probably dealt openly with more real issues than just about any show, certainly at the time. interestingly there was a rather high quality drama called East Side/West Side that aired for one season in the early 60s that was pretty much too controversial to survive at the time because it dealt with starkly real issues in an era where those topics were considered too contentious for public consumption without a lot of allegory or disguising/dressing up (tho 1963 was an otherwise good year for that stuff, for complicated reasons), that's in spite of the fact that the program itself was somewhat well rated, critically acclaimed and got pretty well festooned with emmys that year - most advertisers simply wouldn't buy timeslots on it because they didn't want to be associated with such candid and direct depictions of controversial issues so it lost money it irked people for just about everything, for its grim portrayals of poverty/economic exploitation by the rich, statutory rape, soldiers' with ptsd, children born with mental handicaps, people succumbing to addiction, etc and for other things like simply having a black actress portray a competent professional as a series regular, for having black guest stars involved in honest depictions of the cruelty of racism, etc; it's one of the few shows with critical reviews entered into the US congressional record after a particularly poignant episode with the instigating senator wishing that everyone in america had watched it saying that it 'dealt honestly and sensitively with the vital problems of job discrimination, housing conditions and the terrible cancerous cleavage that can exist between the negro and the white community' and that it 'was shocking in its revelations of what life can be like without hope.' - most people consider east side/west side a little too ahead of its time and believe it got axed for it
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Mad Doctor Cthulhu posted:The real downside to bigotry in TV is the idea that people are smart enough to see you're pulling their leg and taking the piss out of them. A lot of bigots aren't and will go out of their way to brute force any mockery put towards them to prove their ideas. Stephen Colbert had that issue when he made fun of Dubya during 2005. Tangentially related to that, I was somewhat surprised recently to discover that Walter White is (or at least was, for a while) apparently this alt-right icon because they see him as some sort of badass criminal grandmaster who's liberated himself from "liberal morality". I suppose I shouldn't have been, though, given all the misogyny towards his wife in parts of the Breaking Bad fandom who think she's "holding [Walter] back" from his drug baron destiny or something. On the other hand, I have a hard time taking it seriously when people complain that characters who are meant to be sympathetic to some extent are portrayed as having ugly qualities or attitudes. I don't really know what to make of it.
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