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The dealer I take mine to was like that at the start, they've gotten better about training more techs as the cars get sold and they have to service more of them.
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So basically if a GM dealership is either not certified at all or understaffed with techs that means if they sell you a Volt the miss out on that sweet service/warranty revenue or you have a subpar experience and also that dealership you are taking it to has a better chance of getting your business in the future. Makes sense that they would rather sell you something else.
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Three Olives posted:So basically if a GM dealership is either not certified at all or understaffed with techs that means if they sell you a Volt the miss out on that sweet service/warranty revenue or you have a subpar experience and also that dealership you are taking it to has a better chance of getting your business in the future. Well the dealer I bought mine from IS Volt/Bolt certified. They even have a bank of chargers on the side of their service building. From what I understand, only Volt/Bolt certified dealers can sell them.
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stevewm posted:The Volt/Bolt has the same problem. Only Volt/Bolt service certified dealers can service them. Well to a certain degree... My local dealer (who is not Volt certified) told me they can service any part that is not Voltec specific or as long as it doesn't require touching the HV system in any way. They can also install any needed software updates, which they have done on my car. (there was a GM recall/bulletin for a update to prevent a false check engine light).
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Powershift posted:It's also global numbers only for Tesla and US numbers for everything else. I wonder if passengers on the Titanic drew up goofy charts to make it look like it wasn't sinking. Where else are they being shipped to? Canada (North America) at the longest. This car is in no way bring sold worldwide yet.
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HFX posted:You are correct in both cases. The same goes for Corvettes and certain versions of the other cars. The sucky Nissan dealer I bought my leaf from couldn't sell GTRs. I made fun of the salesman.
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Elephanthead posted:The sucky Nissan dealer I bought my leaf from couldn't sell GTRs. I made fun of the salesman. Not enough transmission jacks?
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Just chiming in to say that the recent Ontario government decision to no longer allow the $14,000 rebate on $75k+ EVs (all current Teslas in Canada) the prospective buyers on /r/Tesla are losing their loving minds and it is beautiful.
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It’s a great decision.
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eyebeem posted:Nobody is going to own a <120 mile range or less car past the warranty expiration. Why would you think this? It's not like we're dealing with GM EV1s where they're only available on leases and GM is going to take them back and crush them.
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I mean, someone has to own them. They won’t just go to the crusher.
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fordan posted:Why would you think this? It's not like we're dealing with GM EV1s where they're only available on leases and GM is going to take them back and crush them. Who is going to buy a Chevy spark 3 year lease return where the battery has severely degraded? Will GM warranty a new battery? If they don’t, will someone be dumb enough to buy as is? I could see these being the new subprime-mobiles in urban city centers with poor credit though.
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The Sicilian posted:Who is going to buy a Chevy spark 3 year lease return where the battery has severely degraded? Subprime people in urban city centers aren't going to have anywhere to charge their cars. Its not like they would have garage spots to install a charger at. Unless said city centers go on a massive infrastructure initiative to install curbside charging everywhere.
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kill me now posted:Unless said city centers go on a massive infrastructure initiative to install curbside charging everywhere. ...When me poo poo turns purple and smells like rainbows sherbet.
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And I'd say people living "downtown" in large cities are less than ideal EV candidates. Most of them don't drive much.
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The Sicilian posted:Who is going to buy a Chevy spark 3 year lease return where the battery has severely degraded? My girlfriend has a 4mile commute in the suburbs, and there are groceries/places to eat out/etc within a 5mile radius, so me and her? Also it depends on price. Poor battery, and asking $15k, no dice. Poor battery and asking $5k, yeah maybe.
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Internet Explorer posted:And I'd say people living "downtown" in large cities are less than ideal EV candidates. Most of them don't drive much. I'm curious if electric bicycles are going to take off. The examples I've seen in NY are pretty interesting--particular one used as a pedelec delivery cart.
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There's an assumption that batteries will be terrible right after going off warranty, which certainly hasn't proven to be the case with Prius taxi fleets, though that's admittedly a hybrid vs a full-electric. There are also people tracking battery degradation of full-electrics and the ones I looked at were showing 10-15% degradation at 150k miles.
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Agronox posted:I'm curious if electric bicycles are going to take off. The examples I've seen in NY are pretty interesting--particular one used as a pedelec delivery cart. I could definitely see this, especially if they get cheap and ubiquitous enough to where it's not the end of the world if it get stolen.
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Agronox posted:I'm curious if electric bicycles are going to take off. The examples I've seen in NY are pretty interesting--particular one used as a pedelec delivery cart. Didn’t NYC just ban e-bikes? I know there’s a lot of interest in the Arcimoto SRK as a delivery vehicle.
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drgitlin posted:Didn’t NYC just ban e-bikes? Hahaha, holy poo poo you're right. Well, let me say that there's not much in the way of enforcement I suppose.
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The Sicilian posted:Who is going to buy a Chevy spark 3 year lease return where the battery has severely degraded? I did exactly this, except the battery is fine. Our spark has been our only car since we got it, and we rent for the 2% of driving per year it doesn't cover. We paid $10k for a car that covers our driving needs and doesn't use gas. We recently moved further away from our workplaces and are thinking about a longer range full ev, but we're going to keep the spark until it dies and I think even then I'd replace it with another. We just don't often drive more than 70mi round trip in a day, and even once the battery degrades it will still be able to do plenty.
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RZA Encryption posted:I did exactly this, except the battery is fine. Our spark has been our only car since we got it, and we rent for the 2% of driving per year it doesn't cover. We paid $10k for a car that covers our driving needs and doesn't use gas. We recently moved further away from our workplaces and are thinking about a longer range full ev, but we're going to keep the spark until it dies and I think even then I'd replace it with another. We just don't often drive more than 70mi round trip in a day, and even once the battery degrades it will still be able to do plenty. My brother and his wife share an early Leaf in greater suburban Phoenix. It was cheap used, the range is enough for her commute (he bikes,) and if they have to move big stuff they pull a trailer with it.
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The Sicilian posted:Who is going to buy a Chevy spark 3 year lease return where the battery has severely degraded? Most of the EVs on the road in my part of the world are grey import Leafs from Japan, and some of them are 5+ years old now. Even if the range is degraded a bit they can make excellent commuter cars for someone with a sane commute distance.
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blugu64 posted:My girlfriend has a 4mile commute in the suburbs, and there are groceries/places to eat out/etc within a 5mile radius, so me and her? Used leafs with 8 bars sell for $5,000. They have around 40 to 50 mile range.
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blugu64 posted:My girlfriend has a 4mile commute in the suburbs, and there are groceries/places to eat out/etc within a 5mile radius, so me and her? Yeah I see early model BEVs as road legal golf carts, which I would say there is definitely a market for. My volt with its 53 mi range, is able to be on battery for 95% of its life, and I have a 34 mi total commute. With a smaller commute I could see a sub 8k errand runner with a similar range working for a lot of people, especially in a two car household.
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Jimong5 posted:Yeah I see early model BEVs as road legal golf carts, which I would say there is definitely a market for. My volt with its 53 mi range, is able to be on battery for 95% of its life, and I have a 34 mi total commute. With a smaller commute I could see a sub 8k errand runner with a similar range working for a lot of people, especially in a two car household. Used to work for GEM, a bit after Chrysler had bought them. Those were battery powered neighborhood vehicles, basically a step between golf cart and real car. Could get them enclosed with some minor amenities and we built quite a few for security uses. Limited to 25mph and around 30 miles of range, street legal. The Leaf certainly feels like the step up from that to fit into metro use with real car safety and features. Enough to go from something that has a very limited use to something that can fit 95% of the average daily transport needs for a large amount of people.
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Internet Explorer posted:And I'd say people living "downtown" in large cities are less than ideal EV candidates. Most of them don't drive much. Most "downtown" areas are surrounded by what were the suburbs a 100~ years ago, I live 5 miles/10 minutes from the center of downtown in a single family neighborhood in a house built in the 40s.
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Elephanthead posted:Used leafs with 8 bars sell for $5,000. They have around 40 to 50 mile range. At what point is this covered for battery replacement like how bad does it need to get?
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Koirhor posted:At what point is this covered for battery replacement like how bad does it need to get? 8 bars qualify you for a replacement depending on if you're in warranty or not. There are posts on the Leaf subreddit of people who are nearing the end of their warranty with 9 bars left and are actively working to destroy their battery enough to lose one more bar before times up.
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Three Olives posted:Most "downtown" areas are surrounded by what were the suburbs a 100~ years ago, I live 5 miles/10 minutes from the center of downtown in a single family neighborhood in a house built in the 40s. And did you have a point with that statement or...?
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Elephanthead posted:Used leafs with 8 bars sell for $5,000. They have around 40 to 50 mile range. Is that 8 out of 10? Not bad. Only thing I don't like is they fail the small overlap crash test. But neither of my cars now would do any better (2006 & 1994).
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Out of 12 I think.
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McPhearson posted:8 bars qualify you for a replacement depending on if you're in warranty or not. There are posts on the Leaf subreddit of people who are nearing the end of their warranty with 9 bars left and are actively working to destroy their battery enough to lose one more bar before times up. Would paying for an extended warranty on the powertrain not almost guarantee one free battery replacement due to age/mileage it would seem like a no brainer.
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Koirhor posted:At what point is this covered for battery replacement like how bad does it need to get? Too old to qualify, ones with replaced batteries sell for more. I am dumb this is already been posted.
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It's going to be interesting to see what happens with the first Volts sold re: battery life since the 2011 models are approaching the age limit of their warranty.
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Goober Peas posted:It's going to be interesting to see what happens with the first Volts sold re: battery life since the 2011 models are approaching the age limit of their warranty. It also depends if GM comes out with something like a voltec equinox that may effect the market more. Also the ev credit expiring may cause prices to stabilize a little?
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I'm seeing multiple model 3's listed for sale on my local craigslist. Listed at 59K and 56.5K. I suspect people are buying just to flip for the tax credit even though legally you can't. Pay retail to get a used buggy first release car without the tax credits! mysteryberto fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Mar 13, 2018 |
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RZA Encryption posted:I did exactly this, except the battery is fine. Our spark has been our only car since we got it, and we rent for the 2% of driving per year it doesn't cover. We paid $10k for a car that covers our driving needs and doesn't use gas. We recently moved further away from our workplaces and are thinking about a longer range full ev, but we're going to keep the spark until it dies and I think even then I'd replace it with another. We just don't often drive more than 70mi round trip in a day, and even once the battery degrades it will still be able to do plenty. Where do you live? A coworker says his range has degraded greatly in our hot cali climate since there is no active cooling measures for the battery. He is returning his lease early because the range has made his commute which was not close to being on the bubble mileage wise when the car was bought into a hair-raising, hyper milling, stress filled commute.
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