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Assimilators can theoretically engage in diplomacy, but it's a huge hassle to get anyone to like you. Same for Hive Minds, but making friends is fairly doable for them in 2.0. If you're just a militarist authoritarian slaver, you can easily buddy up with other militarists and slavers and form a power bloc of your own. It really depends on how much diplomacy you wanna do. I also don't want to undersell the Assimilators. It's really satisfying to borg up the genocidal xenophobes as well as the materialists who hate you, and turn them all into productive and happy members of society. 
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ZypherIM posted:Do you want to have vassals/tributaries or not? Havent thought that far ahead, but now that you mention it being a feudal kingdom of space racists does sound like an interesting way to go through a game...
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Mar 12, 2018 00:00
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Shadowlyger posted:Get the Extended Map Sliders addon and set it to 99 AI empires. You made a claim that was readily and easily disproven. His options were to either call you a liar or an imbecile, or oblivious to entire game systems. He suggested the first and the last thing were possibilities, wasn't it nice of him not to say the second one? Granted, in light of your comments about cheating maybe he should have gone with theory 2.
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Mar 12, 2018 00:02
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Goddamn, modding Stellaris is a pain in the rear end. There's no validator like CK2 so I have to constantly load up the game and check the error log to try and replicate the spawning of Bio-Trophies at the start of the game. It's driving me crazy. I haven't got that even working yet. Thank god I program for a living and am used to this.
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Mar 12, 2018 00:11
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There are a couple of bugs with starbases: 1. They don't correctly handle equipment that increases hull points. I noticed significant disparity in listed combat power for defensive stations with the same modules built. It turns out that the order matters - weapon modules added before you research hull-boosting equipment (which then gets auto-equipped) don't apply their 10% boost to those extra hull points. This may be mod-related, I'm running a mod with late-game armour that adds hull points as well as armour, but it would be worth testing to see if this bug exists for crystal/dragon plating. 2. Occupying an enemy station will re-equip it with your empire's best gear (reactors, shields and armour), which remains even after the enemy takes it back. Suggestion: don't auto-upgrade equipment in starbases in systems that aren't permanently yours.
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:Is there an easy type of space rear end in a top hat to play? I’ve normally played as non-xenophobic nice guys, but I think that it’s time to dip my toe into the conquest pond. Are drive assimilators more forgiving than, say, hiveminds? Or is it better to just be a xenophobic space racist so I can at least pretend to engage in diplomacy. driven assimilators are extremely strong. all of the advantages of machines and organics simultaneously; mostly cyborgs early on, then later turn your worlds into machine worlds and carpet them over with your machine race.
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Mar 12, 2018 00:14
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Voyager I posted:Tributaries kinda own with the latest changes to Domination. They give you money and fleet cap and don't gently caress around in your wars like crappy allies. Yeah I kind of wanted to do a feudal run but I just don't see much of a point. Letting them grab their own poo poo doesn't seem worth a civic slot.
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Mar 12, 2018 00:14
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It depends on what you're trying to get out of them. If you expect your subjects to be too weak to contribute in wars or you actively want to avoid their participation because they'll end up competing with you for the spoils, Tributaries are perfect - they let you support a larger navy regardless of their own strategic capabilities and otherwise leave you alone. Vassals are for when you want real allies who will make tangible contributions to your wars, but without going through all the bother of making people like you or attending to their interests - if you want them to function like real empires, it seems like it might be worth it to allow them to expand. Helping you have better relationships is neat, I guess, but it doesn't seem to matter much how your subjects feel about the situation as long as you're sufficiently powerful.
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Mar 12, 2018 00:25
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Voyager I posted:It depends on what you're trying to get out of them. If you expect your subjects to be too weak to contribute in wars or you actively want to avoid their participation because they'll end up competing with you for the spoils, Tributaries are perfect - they let you support a larger navy regardless of their own strategic capabilities and otherwise leave you alone. A lot of good points I guess my problem with it is you don't really know how it's going to shake down initially. You might wan them to expand or you might not and locking the ability to choose behind a civic seems like an unwise idea.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Assimilators can theoretically engage in diplomacy, but it's a huge hassle to get anyone to like you. Same for Hive Minds, but making friends is fairly doable for them in 2.0. If you're just a militarist authoritarian slaver, you can easily buddy up with other militarists and slavers and form a power bloc of your own. It really depends on how much diplomacy you wanna do. It's not /that/ bad to get people to like your Assimilators, though it can be pretty expensive. You basically have to give them free research agreements to build up trust, then spam them with gifts until you can hopefully get a non-aggression pact with them. It does get easier later on once you can add in Emotion Emulators for a free +25 though.
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Mar 12, 2018 00:36
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So in my game it's the year 2421, I've completely defeated an Awakened Empire (taking all their territory), and I'm generally the uncontested master of the galaxy at this point. Is there still an end-game crisis coming or is it pretty much a wrap?
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Mar 12, 2018 00:59
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Chomp8645 posted:So in my game it's the year 2421, I've completely defeated an Awakened Empire (taking all their territory), and I'm generally the uncontested master of the galaxy at this point. Is there still an end-game crisis coming or is it pretty much a wrap? There is an endgame crisis that could still come but if you have an AE world and 1000 fleet cap you're probably going to beat it.
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Mar 12, 2018 01:13
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Starting with Emotion Emulators is actually really productive diplomatically!
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Mar 12, 2018 01:17
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Is there a hard floor of 0.5 consumer goods demand for a pop? I didn't look close enough to see if the actual minerals required dropped before and after modding my robbits to have Durable but the listed consumer goods value didn't seem to change.
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Mar 12, 2018 01:22
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I really wish you could stop your allies taking places on your border when you're fighting a war against exterminators or etc. They'll NEVER trade them away and it's so ugly. Or at least make them value those systems less, so you can take them away. Now I have a random circle in my territory! Taear fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Mar 12, 2018 |
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Mar 12, 2018 01:51
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As usual the Queptiliums are a bunch of fuckers  Don't know what you're all talking about wanting more consistent AI empires across games. If I see those pricks from Queptilium Prime, I know I've got some real grade-A wankers on the scene, no matter what kind of game I'm trying to play.
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Mar 12, 2018 01:52
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Magil Zeal posted:I think this is the straw that broke the camel's back for me, it's a tiny and insignificant and stupid thing but I have no desire to play that game to completion any longer. I don't know how to put this, dude, but... No one cares.
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Mar 12, 2018 01:57
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Taear posted:I really wish you could stop your allies taking places on your border when you're fighting a war against exterminators or etc. They'll NEVER trade them away and it's so ugly. well, if the empire has a claim on that territory (i.e. it having been previously theirs), it seems to give it to that empire.
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Mar 12, 2018 02:10
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:well, if the empire has a claim on that territory (i.e. it having been previously theirs), it seems to give it to that empire. They don't. It's just them taking stuff during the wars where you automatically get the bits you take. These fights are SUPER deep in what was enemy territory so nobody has claims on anything, it's kind of a free for all. Taear fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Mar 12, 2018 |
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Mar 12, 2018 02:18
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i know, but that still respects claims. you just cant actively *make* them against containment empires.
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:i know, but that still respects claims. you just cant actively *make* them against containment empires. That isn't answering my problem though. https://imgur.com/a/QeLF2 Like this mess.
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Mar 12, 2018 02:22
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Was it their navy that first occupied the stars in question?
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Mar 12, 2018 02:24
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GotLag posted:Was it their navy that first occupied the stars in question? Yes. That's my point. Because it's a free for all it makes the borders messy as hell - especially when everyone is flying together as a gigantic blob. If it's on my borders it should really just go to me. Or they should let me trade it off them. It's frustrating that every time people post about issues they're having with the game people jump in to explain. It's not a case of not knowing how it works but wanting it to be different! Taear fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Mar 12, 2018 |
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Sedisp posted:Yeah I kind of wanted to do a feudal run but I just don't see much of a point. Letting them grab their own poo poo doesn't seem worth a civic slot. Feudal Society sounds better than it is. By the time you're making/acquiring vassals, they can't really expand much (and I think you can just trade systems to them anyway). I still wish Ringworlds, Dyson Spheres, etc, could come a little bit earlier. I had three Ascension perks but hadn't pulled Mega Structures despite having a Voidborn Curator in Engineering for decades. And taking Master Builders is a waste of a perk slot, especially when it's gated behind ZPE. By the time I can build them, the game is over. They're so cool, it's just a shame that by the time you can even begin one there's little point to doing so. I feel being able to start them earlier, and impose a 'construction tax' as opposed to a big flat sum, would do a few things: Allow the player to see them/possess them. Additionally, to do so in a part of the game where they feel like they matter Make them vital targets for you to control or covet, and therefore perhaps drive a bit of galactic instability Create more of a sense of a changing galaxy (similar to Apocalyptic bombing etc.) There's so many cool things in Stellaris -- the megastructures, and now Titans and the planet-killers -- that feel like they come too late. Also, there's a bug where if you're researching how to get the Dreadnaught working again and your construction ship gets kicked out of the system -- by say pirates spawning in there -- engineering research halts indefinitely, even when the construction ship isn't handling the special project. The only way to fix it I found was to get my construction ship back over there and finish the project. Organic empires seem to hit a plateau where they stop advancing entirely. Robot empires don't seem to run into the same problem, so, I'm guessing it's food-related. Also, put the End Of The Cycle in multiplayer (even if it's just an option in game creation).
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Milky Moor posted:I don't know how to put this, dude, but... Heaven forbid someone put a negative game report in here in addition to the others.  I do wish I could fix it though. I feel as though there must be an option I'm missing in there somewhere, but maybe not.
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Mar 12, 2018 02:53
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Magil Zeal posted:Heaven forbid someone put a negative game report in here in addition to the others. No once cares yo
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Improbable Lobster posted:No once cares yo Apparently so if they bother to reply. It's a legitimate question, though. I am wondering if there's something I'm missing in the options for species rights. Is there a way to set undesirables for this species in particular without changing my default species rights? Are you here to be helpful, or just making non-posts?
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Magil Zeal posted:Apparently so if they bother to reply.
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Magil Zeal posted:Apparently so if they bother to reply. Nobody gives a poo poo. Arguing with people over semantics about whether caring enough to say that nobody gives a poo poo is giving some amount of a poo poo is not going to make anyone give a poo poo about the original thing, it's just going to make you look like an rear end. It would have been better if you had just shrugged, accepted that nobody gave a poo poo, and moved the gently caress on. Content: Would there be any interest in reviving the Reworked Planetary Diversity mod and making it compatible with 2.0? I ask cos that was one of the mods I really enjoyed back around 1.5/1.6, before I dropped Stellaris for a while.
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Yeah I think my problem with the game is that most of the cool toys come way at the end of the game, like post crisis late. Too many are gated behind very late game tech or most of all behind multiple ascension perks. E: Full disclaimer I've never tried playing a super tall empire in this game though.
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Milky Moor posted:
I usually play psionic empires and I've never seen it offered. I've seen all the other offers. (Desire is the best, strands/whispers are annoying, eater of worlds is really bad.)
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Mar 12, 2018 03:20
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Dumb scientist turned all the pops on the homeworld into gross bigheaded weirdos, can I genetics them back into real humans
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The Chad Jihad posted:Dumb scientist turned all the pops on the homeworld into gross bigheaded weirdos, can I genetics them back into real humans They're the real humans. What was will be.
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When you think about it, maybe the big headed weirdos are the REAL humans after all?
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Well I think the Event Horizon signal chain went about as well as can be expected. A scientist decided to mod herself into some homo-superior based on her visions, so had her dragged out back and shot. Then I summoned Cthulu and he turned my home planet into a tomb world, and two other barren, unusable planets in my home system into perfectly viable, decently sized tomb worlds which I then shipped a bunch of my now tomb-acclimatized pops onto. Aces. Though my star now being a black hole is a little concerning, I guess.
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Can you still not build a black hole research center around the black hole? That was kinda annoying since it's a thing you should be able to do. I submitted a bug report way back.
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Is there still a mining station on it from before it went weird?
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Synthbuttrange posted:Is there still a mining station on it from before it went weird? Ooh would that have hosed it up? Most likely yes. This is a game or so ago but I can reload and test it.
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appropriatemetaphor posted:Can you still not build a black hole research center around the black hole? That was kinda annoying since it's a thing you should be able to do. I submitted a bug report way back. Huh I am pretty sure I built one in my last game. You know it's a starbase upgrade right?
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