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Bbbbut Dark Souls is a JRPG! It even has waifus!
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Of course Lapp isn't the same Patches as the one who stole Siegward's armor, much like he's not the same Patches who kicks you down to a katana black phantom in the Shrine of Storms or the Patches who really loving hates Clerics. Ringed City is at the end of time where different things from the entire series find themselves ending up just because, and therefore Lapp's not Patches-Patches, he's the idea of Patches, the platonic ideal of That Sneaky Motherfucker.
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Mar 11, 2018 19:24
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i'm not roleplaying i just hate patches, i don't see why this is so complicated
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Mar 11, 2018 19:38
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Play however you want dude. Souls fans are some of the most insufferable people about "the right way to play" I didn't even find patches in the cathedral and I killed him right away (after the tower) in my first playthrough, but I got pretty into my character being a bloodthirsty wretched freak in rags that stalked things and brutally slammed them with a jagged hunk of metal 
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Mar 11, 2018 19:43
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People get real weird about video games sometimes. Friends, I am going through the game with a katanamans for the first time, and also pyromancy. I'm thinking a Raw Uchi for CFA, and Dark Black Blade for fire resist stuff and the dumb name synergy. I'm at a loss for a backup lightning weapon for jerks like Midir though.
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Mar 11, 2018 19:47
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Cuchulain posted:People get real weird about video games sometimes.
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Mar 11, 2018 19:51
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Cuchulain posted:People get real weird about video games sometimes. The closest you're going to get on a dex/faith build is the Dragonslayer Spear I think, probably best just to roll with a GPR Uchi for the handful of times you'll need it
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Mar 11, 2018 19:54
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Simply Simon posted:Of course Lapp isn't the same Patches as the one who stole Siegward's armor, much like he's not the same Patches who kicks you down to a katana black phantom in the Shrine of Storms or the Patches who really loving hates Clerics. Ringed City is at the end of time where different things from the entire series find themselves ending up just because, and therefore Lapp's not Patches-Patches, he's the idea of Patches, the platonic ideal of That Sneaky Motherfucker. I like this. Also this whole conversation reminds me of ds2 launch when a lot of people killed the old ladies because they didn't reverently praise the player character for being the chosen one and then threw a fit when they couldn't respec later/had to pay the troll toll to revive them to respec. No clue what the state of reviving NPCs was at that point.
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Mar 11, 2018 19:55
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The old ladies should be killed because they are the in-game embodiment of DSII dev team missing the point of difficulty in a Souls game
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Mar 11, 2018 20:12
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Iretep posted:if you kill patches since hes an obvious rear end in a top hat, you fell for miyazakis trap. hes literally there to get killed. then people can laugh at the role player because they killed some merchant in a fit of pathetic rage. And in ds3 you get his ashes so him being dead is more convenient if you actually want what he sells, which many players won't.
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Mar 11, 2018 21:05
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IronicDongz posted:He's never a very valuable merchant though. Hell, in ds1 killing him is the smart thing to on a faith build because you can get a cresent axe right at the start of the game for free. if you kill him right as you meet him in 3 you miss out on his gestures which matter to me a lot at least. in 1 you miss out on prostration gesture, the masks and some minor stuff that can be useful or not.
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Mar 11, 2018 21:11
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Iretep posted:real talk here: That's a LOT of traps. And this made me laugh.  mynameisbatman fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Mar 11, 2018 |
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Mar 11, 2018 21:33
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feelix posted:The old ladies should be killed because they are the in-game embodiment of DSII dev team missing the point of difficulty in a Souls game I really enjoyed DS2 on release, but going back to it after 3 is pretty rough. I still like bellbros better than Aldritch Faithful or watchdoggos though.
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Mar 11, 2018 21:39
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Bellbros were a hilarious covenant for several reasons. The most obvious one being that the invasion area was a tiny claustrophobic clusterfuck where the only place to run was right at those loving gargoyles but also I enjoyed how in the setting the Bellbros were guarding a stupid bell that nobody cared about except the funny midget who told you to do it and the game was clear there was no reason to do it unless you wanted to gently caress with people, as opposed to the Aldrich and Watchdog covenants where there was a mysterious wolf and a hidden dying mysterious priest guy who didnt clarify anything but made the covenants ~*~*~mysterious~*~*~.
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Mar 11, 2018 22:09
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I mean neither one is mysterious. They’re the sacred defenders of the abyssal poo poo/crab swamp and the fancy old cathedral. What’s not to get
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Mar 11, 2018 22:12
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Farron Watchdogs are the best and most hilarious because it's like, "you wanted to prevent me from going here??? The nasty swamp full of disease and giant enemy crabs?
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Mar 11, 2018 22:21
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Started this again for the first time in about a year today, got to untended graves last time and put it down for whatever reason. It's interesting how much, not easier as such but that's the best word for it, it is to progress second time through. Just under six hours and I'm at crucifixion woods. I know that's hardly speedrunner territory but its less than half the time it took last time, even with a few runs of the wall and the settlement as jolly cooperation. Definitely gonna stop to do some watchdogging this time round.
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Mar 11, 2018 22:23
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DrNutt posted:Farron Watchdogs are the best and most hilarious because it's like, "you wanted to prevent me from going here??? The nasty swamp full of disease and giant enemy crabs? don't gently caress with my crabs
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Mar 11, 2018 22:29
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Kaubocks posted:don't gently caress with my crabs I got invaded by a watchdog the other day who waited patiently for me to finish my crab battle before wiping the swamp floor with me.
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Mar 11, 2018 22:37
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It's a common misunderstanding that the watchdogs are guarding the swamp. They're actually guarding their sacred treasures which are the exile greatsword and the great club which are two of the best and funnest weapons
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Mar 11, 2018 22:42
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Shear Modulus posted:It's a common misunderstanding that the watchdogs are guarding the swamp. They're actually guarding their sacred treasures which are the exile greatsword and the great club which are two of the best and funnest weapons Real pros already have a great club at that point. Also the swamp is a seriously hilarious place to for first time players to stumble into. You've got Watchdogs if they're embered up, the log guys can be brutal if you aren't being careful, dogs in convenient locations, first exposure to poison via the weird stove pipe crab things, plus you've got a few of those brutal crucifixion enemies that pop out and surprise you. And then, if you manage to get through all of that, you've got a pretty tough pair of enemy NPCs, that will probably be the first example of getting parried and riposted by an enemy.
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Mar 11, 2018 22:52
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What's the current state of miracles / lightning throwing builds?
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Mar 12, 2018 00:09
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miracles are a lot weaker at doing damage than pyro/sorceries for pve, in exchange for giving you a lotta heals. but, lightning arrow(dlc) is a really drat good spell bc it can be poisecast with a talisman and you can hold it. you can even do cheeky stuff like poisecast lightning arrow into black flame to absolutely demolish people who try to trade with you.
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Mar 12, 2018 00:28
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DrNutt posted:you've got a pretty tough pair of enemy NPCs, that will probably be the first example of getting parried and riposted by an enemy. I don't know if you meant the big weapon exile bros or Heysel and Hodrick, but either pair makes sense. The NPCs in DS3 don't actually have to follow all the same rules as player characters, and Hodrick's super aggro AI makes that very obvious. Between the huge damage, bleed weapon, self healing, massively inflated health, power within, and NPC animation canceling into a parry, he's easily the hardest NPC invader in the series.
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Mar 12, 2018 01:14
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I never got GLS, but lightning stake hits pretty hard at 60 faith and a Blessed Lothric Knight GS has something like 700AR. Doryh's Gnawing owns. I'd say faith can work if you wanna be a paladin guy but it really, really sucks in a few cases. Edit: Lightning arrow is good, but it's primarily good because it's aimable, holdable, actually ranged without penalty, and efficient. It only hits for like 400 damage usually.
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Mar 12, 2018 01:22
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I liked paladin guy in ds1, shame to hear it still hasn't recovered since the nerf in ds2. What are the hot weapons these days for pve?
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Mar 12, 2018 01:25
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I always find it weird that people expect miracles to be comparable in damage capability and reliability to magic and pyro when it's explicitly the class of magic that gets the best support spells, and the only reliable way to heal besides estus. That's what you're supposed to be going into miracles for, and the damage spells are kind of a bonus. If you've played demon's souls this is really obvious, as in that game there's exactly one miracle that even deals damage, and it's wrath of the gods. Not exactly spammable.
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Mar 12, 2018 01:37
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Never played demons souls, got spoiled by dark souls. And lightning killed the everlasting dragons, right, so its got to be #1 for RP purposes.
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Mar 12, 2018 01:41
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Cuchulain posted:I don't know if you meant the big weapon exile bros or Heysel and Hodrick, but either pair makes sense. I died like four times fighting Hodrick in Sirris's questline because his riposte is an insta-kill.
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Mar 12, 2018 01:55
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I had an extra slab laying around on my 40/40 SL100 pyro so I made a +10 chaos dagger and holy poo poo it backstabs for over 1300 damage
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Mar 12, 2018 02:05
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Miracles are great in PvE  More bosses are weak to lightning than fire, and most of them are the hard ones, a sunlight spear in melee range is the highest damage spell in the game, and weapon buffs are just icing, not than you need them because crucifix and lightning faith scaling is great now. You can't stand 50ft away and chump a boss at range like pyro or sorcery can, but that's fine, miracles have an actual niche as a melee caster now. Actually when you get lightning arrow you can do that too, but you're finished by that point. Sure pyromancy is even easier, but that's because pyro is hilariously strong, not because miracles are bad.
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Mar 12, 2018 02:06
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hampig posted:Miracles are great in PvE Everything is relative.
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Mar 12, 2018 02:11
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So I left my sunbro sign outside vordts hall. Cos I thought it would be fun to fight it again with someone. (on this character I managed to 1 shot him without taking any hits). and me and another sunbro get summoned by a chick in a loincloth with a spear. She proceeds to walk in the opposite direction and when the other dude saw the dancer fog wall he left straight away. I was like okay there's a first time for everything but goddamn I literally died after like 10 seconds. I don't know what happened to naked chick but I'm sure she's still there luring phantoms. Can anyone tell me what purple summon signs mean by the way? mynameisbatman fucked around with this message at 02:31 on Mar 12, 2018 |
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Mar 12, 2018 02:16
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IronicDongz posted:Right, which is why miracles aren't great in PvE-better options exist. I mean, if you put points in faith for the buffs and heal miracles (the worth of which is very subjective, but I think they're especially worth it for new players) then you also get perfectly acceptable ranged damage on top, how is that not great?
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Mar 12, 2018 02:31
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bc I don't really think the extra healing is very valuable in this game, compared to being able to do much better damage at range. all the hard fights are guys which get up in your face and don't give you the time to cast healing miracles, and bonfires are super plentiful. there are no real long bonfire runs besides the one time in the ringed city. best damage mitigation miracle in the game is tears and it takes almost no investment, and my opinion about buffs has always been that they are overrated. especially now that bundles exist
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Mar 12, 2018 02:39
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IronicDongz posted:Right, which is why miracles aren't great in PvE-better options exist. I suppose every weapon that isn't a sellsword twinblade is bad as well then? VV: Yeah it does scale with int and faith, but it's really your kit more than the numbers. Lots of regular enemies are really weak to fire, especially in the first half of the game. Pyro and sorcery are much more spammable than miracles are, and Great Chaos Fire Orb is pretty FP efficient compared to the heavy hitters from other schools. There's also a bunch of stuff that is weak to dark, and pyro's dark options are both stronger and more varied than miracles/sorcery. To top it off, dark/chaos infused weapons are just flat out stronger than the infusions from other schools, and pyro-dedicated weapons are probably better too. hampig fucked around with this message at 03:02 on Mar 12, 2018 |
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Mar 12, 2018 02:54
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hampig posted:Miracles are great in PvE What makes pyro so strong? Just looking at pyromancy spells at fextralife, it seems pyro no longer is spell damage modifier x catalyst value. Does spell damage now scale with int/faith?
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Mar 12, 2018 02:54
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hampig posted:I suppose every weapon that isn't a sellsword twinblade is bad as well then? I wouldn't call anything but the best/easiest stuff in a game "great".
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Mar 12, 2018 03:00
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I'd be less reluctant to try a Miracles-focused character if Lightning Spear was available earlier.
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Mar 12, 2018 03:00
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IronicDongz posted:all the hard fights are guys which get up in your face and don't give you the time to cast healing miracles
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Mar 12, 2018 03:00
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