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Kerosene19 posted:Someone forgot to check the gear pins, that’s a paddlin’. OK EVERYBODY TO THE BACK OF THE PLANE ON THREE
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Not a good couple of weeks for planes in Iran. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-11/in-a-turbulent-tehran-it-s-hard-to-buy-a-home-at-any-price
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Plinkey posted:Not a good couple of weeks for planes in Iran. Yeah, they can't find a nice hangar to live in in downtown Tehran. Also a Turkish bizjet crashed, killing all onboard, RIP. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-turkey-airplane/eleven-people-killed-in-turkish-plane-crash-in-iran-agency-idUSKCN1GN0MH Another plane crashed in Thailand, two dead and two injured. https://www.phuketgazette.net/news/plane-crashes-paklok-phuket
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https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/972999850521489408?s=19 Five dead, everybody but the pilot. It looked so benign :/
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Aaaand that's why you practice water ditching. That was 100% survivable for everyone with a week of practice.
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How do you die from something that looks so gentle 
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The news link said:quote:But after FDNY and NYPD harbor and aviation units descended on the crash site, divers discovered the five passengers still strapped into their harnesses inside the submerged helicopter. Definitely survivable for everyone, with easier to unbuckle harnesses and/or better safety briefing.
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CommieGIR posted:How do you die from something that looks so gentle
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CommieGIR posted:How do you die from something that looks so gentle
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Plus a dunk in water that cold, the body takes an involuntary gasp of air as reflex, except theres no air, just water, so you drown.
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No one is going to take a week of training before using a helicopter taxi.
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drgitlin posted:No one is going to take a week of training before using a helicopter taxi. Lawyers of the estates of the dead, to that idea: "loooool"
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Not an auspicious week. Another crash, this time in Nepal. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nepal-crash/bangladeshi-plane-crashes-in-nepal-killing-at-least-50-idUSKCN1GO0WP
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vessbot posted:Lawyers of the estates of the dead, to that idea: "loooool" The Nice-Monaco air taxi has gone into the sea more than once and lawyers haven’t mandated a week of training as a prerequisite before buying a ticket for it.
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Unrestricted access to unsafe air transport is an excellent means of wealth redistribution.
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drgitlin posted:The Nice-Monaco air taxi has gone into the sea more than once and lawyers haven’t mandated a week of training as a prerequisite before buying a ticket for it. 
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drgitlin posted:The Nice-Monaco air taxi has gone into the sea more than once and lawyers haven’t mandated a week of training as a prerequisite before buying a ticket for it. I have no idea about the legal system in France or weird renaissance city-states, but in the US you can never underestimate the absurdities into which lawyers can descend in establishing your responsibilities after the fact. There was a case where two airplanes had a mid air, and the court found liable a third airplane that was getting help from tower about a landing gear problem.
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mobby_6kl posted:This is America buddy The loving military gets a day of it.
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Ola posted:
The harness pictures that are going around look terrifying, like it'd take someone a good minute plus under normal conditions to unbuckle. Nobody without egress training should be wearing something like that over water.
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sanchez posted:The harness pictures that are going around look terrifying, like it'd take someone a good minute plus under normal conditions to unbuckle. Nobody without egress training should be wearing something like that over water. Without having seen the pictures, I can still say with near-certainty that it’s a four point harness with a single twist release on the chest. All you have to do is twist, three of the four straps release from the center buckle, and you are out. It’s a sub-one-second operation. Either the tour operator failed to properly brief the pax on how the harnesses worked, or they froze up and panicked. Possibly both.
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Before I flew over water on a military helicopter flight, we got maybe a five minute briefing and had to twist and unlock our harness at least once to prove we could do it. We had already proven we knew how to ditch gear and swim in uniform and boots, but we hadn’t done any helicopter dunk training as simple passengers. Air crew are obviously different.
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I’ve been in three helicopters, and each one was a terrifying experience. It’s just an unnatural way to fly. And none of them involved a safety briefing.
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drgitlin posted:And none of them involved a safety briefing. Illegal as gently caress, at least according to Canadian law, and I assume it's an ICAO standardized thing.
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PT6A posted:Illegal as gently caress, at least according to Canadian law, and I assume it's an ICAO standardized thing. Only if he was paying for the flight.
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MrYenko posted:Without having seen the pictures, I can still say with near-certainty that it’s a four point harness with a single twist release on the chest. All you have to do is twist, three of the four straps release from the center buckle, and you are out. It’s a sub-one-second operation. Huh, that's what I was imagining as well, but apparently not: Bag strap eyed in fatal chopper crash quote:FlyNYON, a New Jersey company that runs the tours and chartered the helicopters, also touts its safety online. That sounds like a lot of points, but I still can't imagine it not having some sort of quick-release function.
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MrYenko posted:Without having seen the pictures, I can still say with near-certainty that it’s a four point harness with a single twist release on the chest. All you have to do is twist, three of the four straps release from the center buckle, and you are out. It’s a sub-one-second operation. They were flying with the door off/open with a photographer so they were wearing safety harnesses not the standard seatbelts. Most of the time I’ve seen those harnesses used they were solid attached with a carabiner attached underneath the rear seats to one of the seatbelt hard points. No way you can undo that yourself without somehow climbing out of the harness on your body. Also why we don’t allow anymore people then required for photo flights/filming. If it was truly a chartered photo flight there’s zero reason for the machine to be completely full. One report I saw said that someone’s bag pulled the emergency fuel cutoff lever that’s between the front seats. Low altitude, low airspeed for taking pictures the pilot barely had enough time to pop the floats before it hit the ground.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:Huh, that's what I was imagining as well, but apparently not: That 8 point harness quote is from a competing helicopter company not Liberty, trying to latch on some advertising to the tragedy. I’ve never seen an Astar with more then a 3 point in the rear (if not a 2 point) and 4 point for the pilot/copilot up front.
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PT6A posted:Illegal as gently caress, at least according to Canadian law, and I assume it's an ICAO standardized thing. One was at Le Mans, one was the Nice-Monaco air taxi, and one was from Manhattan to Lime Rock Park in CT. Actually it was four, because we came back from Lime Rock by chopper as well.
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Ola posted:Only if he was paying for the flight. Hmm, apparently it's different between countries. Canada requires a basic safety briefing prior to all flights (CARS 602.89). Commercial operators have additional requirements, such as providing a safety features card.
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PT6A posted:Hmm, apparently it's different between countries. Canada requires a basic safety briefing prior to all flights (CARS 602.89). Commercial operators have additional requirements, such as providing a safety features card. I don't know the details, but I know a Spanish teacher that used to work on the oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico. She said she had to qualify to ride the helicopters by escaping a simulated helicopter flooding scenario every year.
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ulmont posted:I don't know the details, but I know a Spanish teacher that used to work on the oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico. She said she had to qualify to ride the helicopters by escaping a simulated helicopter flooding scenario every year. Seems sensible, given the entire flight is going to be over water, to a remote rig, and likely during inclement weather. An air taxi over land within autorotation distance from shore (barring chartered filming requests, like low altitude out over the water) shouldn't need any additional overwater safety procedures.
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ulmont posted:I don't know the details, but I know a Spanish teacher that used to work on the oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico. She said she had to qualify to ride the helicopters by escaping a simulated helicopter flooding scenario every year. In Canada it's a 5 day course with a refresher every three years but that also includes boarding life rafts, hueba training, cold water survival, etc It's amazingly disorienting being flipped upside down strapped in to your seat, even knowing it was coming I still almost needed a diver to help me out the first time (couldn't knock out the window). Every time I fly commercial over the ocean now I have to laugh when they mention using your seat cushion as a flotation device like you're not 100% screwed if you go down in the north atlantic.
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In the North Sea, everyone has to do a safety course including a helicopter dunk every four years. A lot of people dislike it, but it seems very benign compared to the real thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SZcLjZWEGE Niven posted:
"Please retain the toothpicks from your martini olives, as they may be used for fighting polar bears and hunting seals."
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Ola posted:"Please retain the toothpicks from your martini olives, as they may be used for fighting polar bears and hunting seals." More so sharks, which will be drawn not only to the presence of blood that always accompanies even the gentlest of "water landings," but can locate rapidly diminishing body heat just as quickly.
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Ola posted:In the North Sea, everyone has to do a safety course including a helicopter dunk every four years. A lot of people dislike it, but it seems very benign compared to the real thing. That is very benign. The one we have to do every 3 years for the army requires you to wear blackout goggles, more than half the runs are no air, and the cockpit rolls upside down while sinking with no pause at the surface of the water. It's not hard, but it's a lot less comfortable than that looks.
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This guy rides in helicopters for a living to take photos https://twitter.com/Lensaloft/status/973392082755710976
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Niven posted:In Canada it's a 5 day course with a refresher every three years but that also includes boarding life rafts, hueba training, cold water survival, etc Presumably it'd just be long enough to be pulled into the rafts. I'm sure the survival time is increased from single digit to double digit minutes at least.
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In YOSPOS we were just talking about small planes ditching into the water and it turns out that, as verified by NTSB reports, you have a 90%+ chance of surviving such an incident. In many cases it's even safer to land in the water than to attempt to ditch on land. Helicopters are just fuckin dumb is what they are
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drunkill posted:737-20 shorthaul If you lost an engine on takeoff, you'd spin like a top!
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