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Xaris: Jul 25, 2006; Lucky there's a family guy
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infernal machines posted:

HoT lanes are loving trash. toll erry lane erry day

why do you hate poor people

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H.P. Hovercraft: Jan 12, 2004; one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse; Slippery Tilde

i'm actually interested to see how mountain view wants their dumbass dual carpool lanes handled

# ? Mar 12, 2018 17:39

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

poor people can use transit. rich people who don't want to pay tolls can use transit. if transit sucks, the solution is improve transit, not subsidize single occupant vehicles

don't give me this "we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas" bullshit. you can solve congestion and it isn't by making roads cheaper to use

# ? Mar 12, 2018 17:41

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H.P. Hovercraft posted:

highway widening is all trash and i hate it

yes, tho the only place that I think needs something is 101 skyway to the bay bridge because it�s effectively a single lane with like one diverting to an exit (that isn�t needed) and a bunch of merges. it is far faster to get off on 280N to city streeets, plug up all the streets and endanger bikes, people and gridlock all public transit making them useless between 2-8pm, add local pollution and asthma to the poors, and basically total shutdown the whole 3rd/Harrison/Bryant area than it is to continue on 101

dats p hosed up. imo shut down city street onramps and turn the 4th exit into a lane

# ? Mar 12, 2018 17:41

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infernal machines posted:

poor people can use transit. rich people who don't want to pay tolls can use transit. if transit sucks, the solution is improve transit, not subsidize single occupant vehicles

don't give me this "we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas" bullshit. you can solve congestion and it isn't by making roads cheaper to use

autonomous vehicles will fix all the traffic why do you hate the future and technology

# ? Mar 12, 2018 17:43

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https://twitter.com/RMac18/status/973205991146717184

# ? Mar 12, 2018 17:44

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

man, every time we add road capacity it fills right up. better keep adding more road capacity! - an idiot moron who probably smells like old milk

# ? Mar 12, 2018 17:44

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

autonomous vehicles will fix all the traffic why do you hate the future and technology

# ? Mar 12, 2018 17:45

PokeJoe: Aug 24, 2004; hail cgatan

infernal machines posted:

man, every time we add road capacity it fills right up. better keep adding more road capacity! - an idiot moron who probably smells like old milk

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# ? Mar 12, 2018 17:48

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PokeJoe posted:

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dont forget the part where you gently caress up traffic for five years while you widen the lanes (which then immediately fill up)

# ? Mar 12, 2018 17:56

H.P. Hovercraft: Jan 12, 2004; one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse; Slippery Tilde

lol

https://twitter.com/prinzrob/status/973214430736482304

It�ll also get carbon-polluting cars off our roads sooner. Drivers face awful commutes in the Bay Area, especially during peak hours, and we must work toward alleviating traffic congestion.

lmao

�All we are trying to do is find out what some of the facts are on the ground so we could support a dialogue,� he said, calling the ongoing work at the bridge a �complicated cauldron of projects and impacts.�

�The $100,000 is only to help us get started for fact-finding and to look at the improvements that would be needed. You can�t just open the lane tomorrow,� he said, noting there might have to be work on roads off the bridge to accommodate another lane.

yeah maybe

but if you do it fast enough you could get the chance to drive over some bicyclists

# ? Mar 12, 2018 18:20

ComradeCosmobot: Dec 4, 2004; USPOL July

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

autonomous vehicles will fix all the traffic why do you hate the future and technology

�literally the sunnyvale city council

# ? Mar 12, 2018 18:22

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

we're planning the redevelopment of an uptown main street here in toronto. the staff approved plan was to widen the sidewalks, add bike lanes and reduce it to 4 lanes of traffic (from 6, there's also a subway line running under it)

the idiots from the surrounding neighbourhoods vetoed the plan, and substituted one that keeps everything as it is, and puts bike lanes a few blocks away, on a parallel residential street, for only $9 million more

# ? Mar 12, 2018 18:25

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H.P. Hovercraft posted:

lol

https://twitter.com/prinzrob/status/973214430736482304

counterpoint: gently caress marin and everyone in it

# ? Mar 12, 2018 18:26

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some psychologist wrote a book about how marin county teenagers (which was basically her whole practice) are like 80% depressed and addicted to some poo poo

# ? Mar 12, 2018 18:27

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infernal machines posted:

man, every time we add road capacity it fills right up. better keep adding more road capacity! - an idiot moron who probably smells like old milk

traffic is a :gas:

# ? Mar 12, 2018 18:28

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infernal machines posted:

we're planning the redevelopment of an uptown main street here in toronto. the staff approved plan was to widen the sidewalks, add bike lanes and reduce it to 4 lanes of traffic (from 6, there's also a subway line running under it)

the idiots from the surrounding neighbourhoods vetoed the plan, and substituted one that keeps everything as it is, and puts bike lanes a few blocks away, on a parallel residential street, for only $9 million more

the public clearly know best
meanwhile ol' musky said at sxsw that his mars colony will be a direct democracy

# ? Mar 12, 2018 18:34

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

not the public, just councillors from wards not actually in the redevelopment zone

# ? Mar 12, 2018 18:41

Shame Boy: Mar 2, 2010

duz posted:

the public clearly know best
meanwhile ol' musky said at sxsw that his mars colony will be a direct democracy

"look i know we urgently need to fix the steadily growing crack in the atmospheric containment dome so we don't all die, but on the other hand wouldn't it be better to use this latest shipment of supplies to build more space roads so that space people can get to their space jobs and space families faster??"

# ? Mar 12, 2018 18:41

Xaris: Jul 25, 2006; Lucky there's a family guy
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bob dobbs is dead posted:

some psychologist wrote a book about how marin county teenagers (which was basically her whole practice) are like 80% depressed and addicted to some poo poo

I grew up in Sonoma county and lots of Novato friends

can confirm

# ? Mar 12, 2018 18:43

Xaris: Jul 25, 2006; Lucky there's a family guy
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otoh that�s also like 100% true for all suburbia teens tho

# ? Mar 12, 2018 18:44

Shame Boy: Mar 2, 2010

i think a sample of all teenagers nationwide would show 80% depression and addiction rates tbh

# ? Mar 12, 2018 18:44

Xaris: Jul 25, 2006; Lucky there's a family guy
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yea that

# ? Mar 12, 2018 18:45

Shame Boy: Mar 2, 2010

though if you're a psychologist it's probably a great idea to move near a techlord hub anyway because then you have an infinite supply of neurotic weirdos and their neurotic weirdo kids, and they probably are more the weird / depressed / asocial type rather than the violent / psychotic type

# ? Mar 12, 2018 18:50

Shame Boy: Mar 2, 2010

like that was one of the the two main reasons my old psychologist said she moved to florida despite florida sucking: cheap rural land so she can have a horse because she loves horses, and NASA providing a limitless supply of relatively easy patients

Shame Boy fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Mar 12, 2018

# ? Mar 12, 2018 18:51

qirex: Feb 15, 2001

bob dobbs is dead posted:

some psychologist wrote a book about how marin county teenagers (which was basically her whole practice) are like 80% depressed and addicted to some poo poo

I grew up in marin and can attest that my experience was largely similar to this

# ? Mar 12, 2018 19:02

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

not that i'm a fan of Car Hell or anything but I don't understand why induced demand as a phenomenon is used as an argument against transportation infrastructure

all those extra induced trips aren't being made for the hell of it, they're people accomplishing economically beneficial tasks that they wouldn't have been able to accomplish otherwise, you're improving an urban region's capacity for people. places like rochester(?) where the highway network is absolutely comically over-provisioned aren't really a good thing imo because you've got a bunch of roads just sitting there not doing anything useful, and they're going to have an associated maintenance budget that is mostly being wasted.

the argument should be more along the lines of "stop-start traffic is a psychological irritant and we shouldn't make people endure that poo poo twice for 30 minutes every day even if the actual time spent commuting isn't that bad". i'd much rather walk for an hour than deal with bullshit traffic for half that time, because walking can often be a pleasant activity in its own right and sitting in traffic never is.

# ? Mar 12, 2018 19:03

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infernal machines posted:

man, every time we add road capacity it fills right up. better keep adding more road capacity! - an idiot moron who probably smells like old milk

ted Kaczynski didn't want to add more road capacity though?

# ? Mar 12, 2018 19:04

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H.P. Hovercraft posted:

it's also not working to improve travel times in those lanes so they're switching over to a toll model

i begin design work on the 101 "managed lane" between sf and sj in like a month

carpool lanes

how is the toll lane going to work? will there be a barrier, or can people just merge into the toll lane without paying the toll and hope they don't get caught, like they currently do with the hov lanes?

# ? Mar 12, 2018 19:06

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

Sapozhnik posted:

not that i'm a fan of Car Hell or anything but I don't understand why induced demand as a phenomenon is used as an argument against transportation infrastructure

all those extra induced trips aren't being made for the hell of it, they're people accomplishing economically beneficial tasks that they wouldn't have been able to accomplish otherwise, you're improving an urban region's capacity for people. places like rochester(?) where the highway network is absolutely comically over-provisioned aren't really a good thing imo because you've got a bunch of roads just sitting there not doing anything useful, and they're going to have an associated maintenance budget that is mostly being wasted.

the argument should be more along the lines of "stop-start traffic is a psychological irritant and we shouldn't make people endure that poo poo twice for 30 minutes every day even if the actual time spent commuting isn't that bad". i'd much rather walk for an hour than deal with bullshit traffic for half that time, because walking can often be a pleasant activity in its own right and sitting in traffic never is.

induced demand is a stupid term and hidden demand is better. and many times its not even that its actually slightly faster, you just can tell because demand before was so high and you've only increased capacity by a tiny fraction of the pre-existing demand.

The problem with road widening is more that people are idiots and will gently caress up traffic by always being in the wrong lane. the more lanes, the more they gently caress it up.

# ? Mar 12, 2018 19:09

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

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how is the toll lane going to work? will there be a barrier, or can people just merge into the toll lane without paying the toll and hope they don't get caught, like they currently do with the hov lanes?

separate lanes or ezpass like tags. no tag, you get caught on camera, fine automatically mailed to you.

# ? Mar 12, 2018 19:10

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Shaggar posted:

separate lanes or ezpass like tags. no tag, you get caught on camera, fine automatically mailed to you.

yeah, this has been the system everywhere for ages now.

Sapozhnik posted:

not that i'm a fan of Car Hell or anything but I don't understand why induced demand as a phenomenon is used as an argument against transportation infrastructure

all those extra induced trips aren't being made for the hell of it, they're people accomplishing economically beneficial tasks that they wouldn't have been able to accomplish otherwise, you're improving an urban region's capacity for people. places like rochester(?) where the highway network is absolutely comically over-provisioned aren't really a good thing imo because you've got a bunch of roads just sitting there not doing anything useful, and they're going to have an associated maintenance budget that is mostly being wasted.

the argument should be more along the lines of "stop-start traffic is a psychological irritant and we shouldn't make people endure that poo poo twice for 30 minutes every day even if the actual time spent commuting isn't that bad". i'd much rather walk for an hour than deal with bullshit traffic for half that time, because walking can often be a pleasant activity in its own right and sitting in traffic never is.

get this: public transit is transit infrastructure. you can change modeshare by prioritizing improvements to public transit to make it more attractive that driving, and if you do you help reduce congestion at the same time without just adding more lanes like an idiot and hoping to stay ahead of the demand.

# ? Mar 12, 2018 19:12

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

LA could probably be significantly improved by public transit (real public transit, not buses) but its never gonna be as convenient as cars.

# ? Mar 12, 2018 19:14

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Shaggar posted:

LA could probably be significantly improved by public transit (real public transit, not buses) but its never gonna be as convenient as cars.

nothing will ever be as convenient as cars. it doesn't matter because you literally can't afford to keep using cars like that

# ? Mar 12, 2018 19:15

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Shaggar posted:

induced demand is a stupid term and hidden demand is better. and many times its not even that its actually slightly faster, you just can tell because demand before was so high and you've only increased capacity by a tiny fraction of the pre-existing demand.

The problem with road widening is more that people are idiots and will gently caress up traffic by always being in the wrong lane. the more lanes, the more they gently caress it up.

but widening roads does induce demand by encouraging development.

# ? Mar 12, 2018 19:16

Shame Boy: Mar 2, 2010

cars will never be as convenient as personal helicopters

personal helicopters will never be as convenient jetpacks

jetpacks will never be as convenient as-

# ? Mar 12, 2018 19:17

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

okay, and?

the same argument applies to subways and rail services. The UK rail networks going into Megacity One are all fully privatized and, surprise surprise, they're all sardine cans because a railway franchise is a license to print money, providing a service in exchange for that money is strictly optional. Even if they weren't privatized though, you don't see anybody saying "well, let's not add any more trains going in and out of Megacity One because then they'll all just get stuffed to the brim too"

# ? Mar 12, 2018 19:18

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

ate all the Oreos posted:

cars will never be as convenient as personal helicopters

personal helicopters will never be as convenient jetpacks

jetpacks will never be as convenient as-

if personal helicopters and jetpacks were as cheap and easy to operate as cars everyone would definitely be using them.

# ? Mar 12, 2018 19:21

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

infernal machines posted:

nothing will ever be as convenient as cars. it doesn't matter because you literally can't afford to keep using cars like that

sure we can.

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infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Sapozhnik posted:

okay, and?

the same argument applies to subways and rail services. The UK rail networks going into Megacity One are all fully privatized and, surprise surprise, they're all sardine cans because a railway franchise is a license to print money, providing a service in exchange for that money is strictly optional. Even if they weren't privatized though, you don't see anybody saying "well, let's not add any more trains going in and out of Megacity One because then they'll all just get stuffed to the brim too"

and we want to encourage the use of mass transit over personal transit for reasons of efficiency and pollution, so guess which one we don't want to endlessly expand.

hint: it's not the train service

# ? Mar 12, 2018 19:22

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