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Was it Crassus who got out of a charge that he slept with a vestal virgin by saying he was just affiliating with her so that he could buy her house?
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Hanson apparently wrote a book on Greek farming. Probably talks about food in there.
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Mar 8, 2018 20:08
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Was it Crassus who got out of a charge that he slept with a vestal virgin by saying he was just affiliating with her so that he could buy her house? Allegedly yes, it’s right near the beginning of his Life in Plutarch. Plutarch posted:And yet when [Crassus] was further on in years, he was accused of criminal intimacy with Licinia, one of the vestal virgins, and Licinia was formally prosecuted by a certain Plotius. Now Licinia was the owner of a pleasant villa in the suburbs which Crassus wished to get at a low price, and it was for this reason that he was forever hovering about the woman and paying his court to her, until he fell under the abominable suspicion. And in a way it was his avarice that absolved him from the charge of corrupting the vestal, and he was acquitted by the judges. But he did not let Licinia go until he had acquired her property.
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Mar 8, 2018 20:30
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I love that story so much. Prosecutor: You were trying to bang a vestal virgin! Jury:  Crassus: Nah I was pretending to want to so I could buy her house on the cheap. Jury: Well that sounds like something Crassus would do.... innocent! Crassus: Awesome.... do I still get the house cheap? Crassus is one of my favorite Ancient Romans because he was just so naked about how greedy he was - everybody knew exactly what he was about and he didn't seem to have any sense of shame whatsoever.
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Mar 8, 2018 23:05
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My post has become a thread title. My life is complete. I can now go live in a barrel.
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Mar 9, 2018 00:45
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Jerusalem posted:I love that story so much. I remember a quote from a novel (Colleen Mccullough's perhaps?) that went something like this: Senate: Crassus, we nominate you to be the governor of such-and-such provicne. Crassus: But we need this province prosperous at the moment, owing to other threats to the republic. Senate: Yes, yes, we know you'll end up grafting some money on the side. Crassus: No, you don't understand. If I am governor, I will rape it. Senate: [laughs uproariously, then gives the governorship to someone else] Speaking of Colleen Mccullough, does anyone know if her earlier Masters of Rome books will ever be available as ebooks again?
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Mar 9, 2018 01:51
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Not the trump thread
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Mar 9, 2018 02:01
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Jerusalem posted:I love that story so much. *cue laugh track, roll quirky scene change music*
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Mar 9, 2018 02:50
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Jerusalem posted:Crassus is one of my favorite Ancient Romans because he was just so naked about how greedy he was - everybody knew exactly what he was about and he didn't seem to have any sense of shame whatsoever. I've probably (definitely) mentioned it before in this thread but he also had his own personal fire department of slaves trained to fight building fires, and when a building caught on fire he'd buy the property at extremely low prices and THEN have his slaves go put it out. Then he'd build his own stuff over the rubble and, presumably, charge higher rent.
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Mar 9, 2018 03:31
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I still think the weirdest depiction of Crassus has to be from the Spartacus show... like how do you even get there from the source material? Also for internet for ancient Goths: just a bunch of wikihow searches on "How to Be/Look/Act/Etc. Roman" Jack2142 fucked around with this message at 06:42 on Mar 9, 2018 |
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Mar 9, 2018 06:40
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Jack2142 posted:I still think the weirdest depiction of Crassus has to be from the Spartacus show... like how do you even get there from the source material? Because that whole show was completely ridiculous (and awesome). The show had great villains in the first two-and-a-half seasons so using real life Crassus would have been a bit of a let down since in the end you know he's going to beat Spartacus, audiences would have been pissed. On the other hand, Crassus did lust for military glory and was not opposed to fighting in actual battles such as he did during the civil war period and, of course, his campaign against the Parthians.
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Mar 9, 2018 06:49
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Yeah, the dude was spoiling for just about any promising military action so that he could try and win himself some glory to compete with Pompey. If anything the really weird choice is choosing to shoehorn Caesar into the mix.
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Mar 9, 2018 08:32
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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PittTheElder posted:Yeah, the dude was spoiling for just about any promising military action so that he could try and win himself some glory to compete with Pompey. I think I remember the logic when I looked into this was "Caeser was a military tribune at this time... no we don't know anything about what he was actually doing, so he was totally involved"! With regards to Crassus, the wanting to be military badass wasn't that weird. What was weird was Crassus coming across as a relatively decent guy with a firm set of principals etc. (or at least the least awful Roman dude), instead of the greedy opportunist he usually seems depicted as? Jack2142 fucked around with this message at 09:31 on Mar 9, 2018 |
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Mar 9, 2018 09:27
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John Wilkes Booth posted:Is the Hebrew word matzo related to that Greek word, or is that just a coincidence? Looks like it's one possible etymology, I could only look it up on wiktionary though. fantastic in plastic posted:It looks like someone else was inspired by that elegy: Ancient Recipe: Maza Interesting, and I see they've taken the recipe from a book. So the way they've interpreted it is that it was a kind of gruel halfway between bread and porridge, which I guess would make sense to bring and eat on the go. I wonder what sources the cookbook was going on though. And this is spurious: quote:An example of the centrality of barley to the Greek diet can be found in the name of the Greek goddess of the harvest: Demeter, from dēa métēr, “Barley Mother”. euphronius posted:Hanson apparently wrote a book on Greek farming. Probably talks about food in there. Hanson is the right-wing historian guy who gets shat on all the time, right? I hear he's good when he keeps to his own field of expertise, so that sounds worth checking out.
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Mar 9, 2018 09:42
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 happened somewhere in this thread right, not the old one? Does anyone know where? Trying to show a friend.I vaguely remember it being in 2013 or 2014?
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Mar 12, 2018 00:43
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:
Agesilaus wasn't restricted to one thread, he did the same shtick everywhere for years
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Mar 12, 2018 01:30
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Yeah. The poo poo that got him banned was the second iteration of the A/T milhist thread. BTW I love that there's been enough history discussion on these forums that someone could probably start studying the historiography of it.
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Mar 12, 2018 02:22
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Someone 200 years from now is going to be trawling A/T threads for 21st century views on pikes and defenestration
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Mar 12, 2018 03:28
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this is such a beautiful postAgesilaus posted:Politically, culturally, economically, and socially, many modern societies are flawed in certain respects compared to ancient societies like that of Sparta. Modern America, for example, is oppressed by the nobility clause, does not have an explicit class-based society, and in many ways is governed and controlled by low class people given over to money. Importantly, the institutions are designed to be vulgar and are beholden to lower class interests.
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Mar 12, 2018 04:55
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Grevling posted:Does anything know about what Greek soldiers ate? rear end
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Mar 12, 2018 05:33
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Jeb Bush 2012 posted:this is such a beautiful post Once two students approached Master Agesilaus in the hopes that he would resolve a debate. The first student argued that the Dark Ages of the West was a misnomer, the use of which denoted bad historiography. The second student in turn argued that this was revisionist nonsense, that the Dark Ages were materially real, the nadir of Western culture and society. With a nod of his head, the Master indicated that the second student was correct. The first left in a huff. The victorious student pleased, thought of a followup question. "Master Agesilaus, if the Dark Ages were indeed real," he said "when must a proper historian place its end?" Agesilaus sighed and looked off in the distance. "It gets darker every day."
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Mar 12, 2018 06:05
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Lol if you think Otto III didn't invent the dark ages
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Mar 12, 2018 06:14
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The Dark Ages ended when Edison invented the light bulb ushering in the Well Lit Ages.
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Mar 12, 2018 10:24
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Gas lamps were a sort of trainsitional period that many historians are starting to recognize.
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Mar 12, 2018 10:28
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Mantis42 posted:Once two students approached Master Agesilaus in the hopes that he would resolve a debate. The first student argued that the Dark Ages of the West was a misnomer, the use of which denoted bad historiography. The second student in turn argued that this was revisionist nonsense, that the Dark Ages were materially real, the nadir of Western culture and society. 
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Mar 12, 2018 14:36
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BTW, how did greeks poop? I know how romans pooped, but not learned hellenes. I'm guessing however they did it, the modern porcelain throne is better and comfier.
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Mar 12, 2018 16:26
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This thread has the classiest shitposting.
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Mar 12, 2018 16:31
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:BTW, how did greeks poop? I know how romans pooped, but not learned hellenes. from their rear end
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Mar 12, 2018 16:33
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Well didn’t they find slabs with holes in them?
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Mar 12, 2018 16:37
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:BTW, how did greeks poop? I know how romans pooped, but not learned hellenes. Greeks probably pooped like Romans but with less reservations about who was on top.
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Were the ancient Minoans descended from Indo European migration?
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Mar 12, 2018 21:54
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Were the ancient Minoans descended from Indo European migration? It’s hard to say for sure, but probably not. It’s hard to say because the obvious tell, their written language, has never been deciphered. If you extrapolate the deciphered characters in Linear B script (that is pre-alphabetic Greek) to similar characters in Linear A script (that is, Minoan), what you get is not obviously Indo-European, but then again it’s not obviously anything else either and might well be complete gibberish based on misinterpretation of how the scripts work. I guess my way of thinking about it would be that the island of Crete was settled a very long time ago and there were people using the Linear A script there by 2500 BC at least, which would be very early indeed for any Indo-European settlers — almost a millennium earlier than the generally accepted time for when people speaking early Greek began to inhabit regions nearby. It seems pretty unlikely to me that whoever was writing this script then was writing an Indo-European language, but no one now understands it so who knows, it could be.
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Mar 12, 2018 22:27
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Interesting. And am I right that the old theory of the Indo European movement into Europe being a violent military invasion placing the natives into a subservient position to the newly arrived conquerors has been discredited in favor of a more gradual migration and intermingling of peoples?
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Mar 12, 2018 22:35
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Interesting. And am I right that the old theory of the Indo European movement into Europe being a violent military invasion placing the natives into a subservient position to the newly arrived conquerors has been discredited in favor of a more gradual migration and intermingling of peoples? Kinda sorta. Better would be to say that multiple types of interactions were possible and happened. Probably everything from displacement and massacre on through intermarriage and cultural merging.
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Mar 12, 2018 22:41
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And lots of chariots?
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Mar 12, 2018 22:43
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Cyrano4747 posted:Kinda sorta. Better would be to say that multiple types of interactions were possible and happened. Probably everything from displacement and massacre on through intermarriage and cultural merging.
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Mar 12, 2018 22:44
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Interesting. And am I right that the old theory of the Indo European movement into Europe being a violent military invasion placing the natives into a subservient position to the newly arrived conquerors has been discredited in favor of a more gradual migration and intermingling of peoples? The old theory you describe there is associated with Gimbutas, who despite doing a lot of legit work about prehistoric Europe was prone, particularly late in her life, to promote the image of the Big Bad Indo-Europeans coming with their kurgans and phallocentrism to gently caress up the Golden Age. I don’t think this was taken very seriously at the time, at least within academia, and it still isn’t. But rather than say it’s a theory that’s been superseded I would just be skeptical about any kind of sweeping generalizations on the subject since what we’re talking about here isn’t a single movement on the part of one political unit called The Big Bad Indo-Europeans. There were a lot of people moving around over a really long period of time and spreading their language and that’s really all we can certainly say, because none of them could write down what was going on. We don’t know that they all thought of themselves as alike, or that they all understood each other’s speech at the time, or that they all had similar cultural norms or levels of political organization. We will just never know as much about these people as we know about even the worlds of ancient Greece or Rome, and that’s little enough.
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Mar 12, 2018 22:51
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The historical records are quite clear, the city of Thebes was founded by five people who grew out of dragon's teeth
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Mar 12, 2018 22:52
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Were the ancient Minoans descended from Indo European migration? No.
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Isn't there a conflation going on here between "Indo-European" as a linguistic category and "Indo-European" as an ethnic group, where it's the former, but people talk about it as the latter? I mean, looking at right now, Sweden, Russia, Haiti, Brazil, Iran, and Kenya are all "Indo-European" countries. Obviously, in ancient times, there must have been a core of proto-Indo European speakers of one "ethnic group" or culture, but we're actually talking about language adoption, which could come from conquest, intermarriage, trade, cultural diffusion, religious conversion, or who knows what else. It seems like all we can say with certainty when we talk about "Indo-Europeans" is that they're people who spoke a language we classify into a specific family.
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