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Repeal the 2nd, IMO
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Mar 6, 2018 18:31
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Just arm the bears. Give them all the guns. Only needs a tiny change to the 2nd amendment.
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Mar 6, 2018 18:42
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If you start out from the position of repealing the 2nd, nothing is ever going to get done. If you get to the point where we accept laws that restrict things to the point where we have meaningful progress, the idea of repealing or revising the 2nd gets more and more acceptable to each successive generation. There's so much middle ground that can and should be explored as a way to change gun culture to get even more changes in later.
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Mar 6, 2018 18:57
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Quandary posted:Repeal the 2nd, IMO Only need to interpret it correctly. Not a member of a well-regulated militia (the military), no right to own a gun.
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Mar 6, 2018 19:10
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<--- Very much not an american. I understand that gun ownership laws differ between states, and I guess that there are some states that have gun control laws stringent enough that they could have a positive effect if enacted country-wide. If no court has ever dismissed these laws as unconstitutional (not sure if this is how it works in the US), then what's on the Constitution doesn't seem to be a technical problem, but rather when people project on it. In that case repealing the 2nd amendment or not doesn't seem to matter, as the people who use it as an argument are not suddenly gonna go "Welp, it's no longer in the Constitution, I guess I'll sell my guns and pick up fishing instead"
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Mar 6, 2018 19:18
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Rexides posted:<--- Very much not an american. But maybe people are gonna go "Welp, the fact that I don't have such easy access to guns makes it harder for my to shoot up my school".
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Mar 6, 2018 19:31
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It's already been upheld in the Supreme Court that the Bill of Rights is not absolute and limits can be placed, especially when it impacts public safety. The most often used example is yelling fire in a theater is not constitutionally protected free speech. So, most gun control laws should stand up to the Constitution. It's not a direct obstacle to getting poo poo done other than being a rallying point to cloud the issue. The biggest issue the 2nd causes is people using it as justification that the founding fathers WANTED us to own guns. bull3964 fucked around with this message at 19:36 on Mar 6, 2018 |
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Mar 6, 2018 19:34
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It's fairly obvious that even if in some freak miracle the harshest anti-gun laws get passed, then there'd be a bunch of exceptions stapled into it. There's no real danger of "too much" gun control happening, so it's fine to exaggerate. We definitely don't need the second amendment to keep throwing a wrench into legislation, and there's been amendments removed in the past anyways. The constitution's not a dead document. I feel like trying to neuter your own side of a debate before going up against a brick wall of a lobby is just asking to fail. Compromise happens after confrontation, not before.
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Mar 6, 2018 19:46
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Gorsuch is justice, nothing will change, Democrats are useless as ever. More useful to set ground rules on guns for your local commune than it is assuming anything will change in this system. edit: forgot nothing matters Die Sexmonster! fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Mar 6, 2018 |
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Mar 6, 2018 20:36
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Rexides posted:<--- Very much not an american. You can't stop a truly determined person from getting a gun and shooting up a school or whathaveyou. But the fact is that people are truly, deeply, loving lazy.
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Mar 6, 2018 21:03
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IRQ posted:You can't stop a truly determined person from getting a gun and shooting up a school or whathaveyou. You can loving try.
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Mar 6, 2018 21:46
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That's kind of what he said. By and large people are lazy and stupid. Even minor roadblocks will prevent a lot of harm.
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Mar 6, 2018 21:53
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Die Sexmonster! posted:Gorsuch is justice, nothing will change, Democrats are useless as ever. Except states are now starting to pass laws prohibiting their local municipalities from passing stricter gun control laws than the state has.
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Mar 6, 2018 22:36
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GobiasIndustries posted:Except states are now starting to pass laws prohibiting their local municipalities from passing stricter gun control laws than the state has. lol gently caress
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Mar 6, 2018 22:46
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bull3964 posted:That's kind of what he said. Yeah I thought that was clear. The fact is if someone has enough money and can pass a background check it's not even very hard to buy a 100% legal fully automatic firearm, but you virtually never see them used in crimes. That Vegas rear end in a top hat easily could have, but went with bump stocks because you can just order them off the internet or whatever like a lazy sack of poo poo.
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Mar 6, 2018 22:49
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I think largely making things harder means less people will do them. Even in the UK, there's still people who can get their hands on automatic weapons (assuming they don't screw up in the process), but it's far less likely they'll just have one on hand when they get it into their head to make a bunch of people (and/or themself) dead, and you sure as hell don't have a legally-protected right to go around in public carrying a gun. That means there's so many more points along the line where they can be caught and arrested for an easily identifiable crime, rather than having to wait until the murder happens. It's not like the people perpetrating these murders are evil geniuses, just they have the help of a cabal of people who are willing to accept many, many deaths as the price for pushing their bottom line.
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Mar 6, 2018 23:09
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Alhazred posted:But maybe people are gonna go "Welp, the fact that I don't have such easy access to guns makes it harder for my to shoot up my school". IRQ posted:You can't stop a truly determined person from getting a gun and shooting up a school or whathaveyou. But the fact is that people are truly, deeply, loving lazy. I think I am misunderstood. I am not talking about shooters, I am talking about people who have guns as a lifestyle and use the constitution as an excuse for why they would rather see more school shootings than have even the tiniest gun control measures.
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Mar 7, 2018 00:10
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STAC Goat posted:I know its been said many many times including by Oliver himself... but God drat does he waste a ton of HBO's money. They must really like the guy.
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Mar 7, 2018 01:56
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The craziest thing about a lot of the gun hobbyist crowd is that a lot of proposed gun control legislation would not actually affect their ability to get guns at all. If all you plan to do with your guns is go range shooting, there's no reason why you wouldn't be able to pass a standard background check or mental health screening. Nor would having to register your firearm ownership with law enforcement affect anything since you aren't going to be murdering anyone with it. The point isn't "nobody should have guns" (I mean, that is partially the point but I'm looking at a compromise position here), the point is that "people who want to go shoot up a school shouldn't have guns".
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Mar 7, 2018 02:12
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In America this past week a handful of major retailers implemented new policies for the sale of firearms to post-minors (18-20) and the resultant backlash has been states writing laws saying that small municipalities can’t enact any firearm laws stricter than the state they are in and a 20 year is suing one of them because of his rights. This segment was amazing to me because I couldn’t fathom some jacked up dude gettin flair to RP his favorite shoot-outs in movies but mega loooooool to that!
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Mar 7, 2018 14:51
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The Cheshire Cat posted:The craziest thing about a lot of the gun hobbyist crowd is that a lot of proposed gun control legislation would not actually affect their ability to get guns at all. If all you plan to do with your guns is go range shooting, there's no reason why you wouldn't be able to pass a standard background check or mental health screening. Nor would having to register your firearm ownership with law enforcement affect anything since you aren't going to be murdering anyone with it. The point isn't "nobody should have guns" (I mean, that is partially the point but I'm looking at a compromise position here), the point is that "people who want to go shoot up a school shouldn't have guns". And the fact of the matter is that, for a while now, the majority of people who have been polled are in favor of the laws being proposed (I don't think those laws go far enough but w/e that's not the point). But the NRA is funded by gun manufacturers and long ago turned into an organization with the primary focus of selling more guns as opposed to gun safety training or whatever their insane fans claim. Whatever dues they receive from their members are a drop in the bucket compared to what they get from corporations in order to influence members of congress to not pass any of these bills, on the national and state levels. It sucks big league.
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Mar 7, 2018 15:20
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Bust Rodd posted:In America this past week a handful of major retailers implemented new policies for the sale of firearms to post-minors (18-20) and the resultant backlash has been states writing laws saying that small municipalities can’t enact any firearm laws stricter than the state they are in and a 20 year is suing one of them because of his rights. And then everyone forgets about gun shows and blaaahhhh
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Mar 10, 2018 23:52
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Of course gun shows aren't gonna self-regulate, the whole point of them is to be some kinda bullshit loophole around any and all regulations.
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Mar 11, 2018 00:50
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On the bright side, if every school shooting now leads to a tiny tiny tightening of US gun laws, you'll have the strictest gun control on the planet by like October.
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Mar 11, 2018 00:51
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Jesus, those Women's Day clips.  https://i.imgur.com/xmf0KUN.mp4
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Mar 12, 2018 09:37
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I'm genuinely shocked that John didn't launch his own cryptocurrency but I guess that may have been a bit too obvious, also they probably had a ton of legal and financial issues with their fake church (even though it was quite successful) and they didn't want to put the HBO accountants through all that rigamarole again. Or the HBO accountants just told them to gently caress off this time.  Waitin' for the episode about the Bob Murray defamation case ..... #fuckyoubob
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Mar 12, 2018 09:49
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Perestroika posted:Jesus, those Women's Day clips. Yeah, that guy... wow. That whole bit was an amazing series of awful moments, and if I didn't know better, I'd say that it was just a skit, because who is that inappropriate on local live TV?
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Mar 12, 2018 13:17
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Bitcoin's the perfect recipe for a bubble. A weird technological thing that most people don't really understand, a bunch of optimists up front to provide enough of a spike to get big investors' attention, and then a severe lack of intrinsic value in the thing that all the investors are getting hyped up about. If the bubble gets big enough, it could have severe ramifications on the economy when it bursts. I'm surprised he never covered anything about the times that bitcoin wasn't secure and people got theirs stolen on insecure exchange sites, but I guess he was trying to be more general than that. Snowglobe of Doom posted:Waitin' for the episode about the Bob Murray defamation case ..... It'd be nice if they could nest it into a whole episode's topic. They've already done coal, so maybe they could rub in the whole thing with an episode about gag orders on important cases.
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Mar 12, 2018 17:58
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Bundle it with SLAPP
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Mar 12, 2018 18:03
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Still my favorite thing to come out of bitcoin
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Mar 12, 2018 18:04
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Wasn't there a cop show in the last few years set in Future Chicago (or some other Future city) where everything is all techy, there are genetically engineered people who are stupidly smart and all super-beautiful, computer graphics have replaced road signs and police tape, and... and Bitcoin was mentioned multiple times as a valid currency for just walking around? Oh, and he had an android partner, the cop I mean, but it was a special android series that had feelings unlike most android cops... and they had a shady past or some poo poo, I forget.
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Mar 12, 2018 18:10
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tarlibone posted:Wasn't there a cop show in the last few years set in Future Chicago (or some other Future city) where everything is all techy, there are genetically engineered people who are stupidly smart and all super-beautiful, computer graphics have replaced road signs and police tape, and... and Bitcoin was mentioned multiple times as a valid currency for just walking around? Almost Human, great show, aside from mentioning buttcoin like it's a legitimate thing.
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Mar 12, 2018 18:22
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And to cross pollinate a little bit, yospos poster divabot is an actual bitcoin expert named david gerard who wrote a book making fun of bitcoin and how crypto is pretty much scams all the way down. I gave the book to one of my economics friends who got a laugh out of it and said that most of his economic theory was trash from an academic point of view but made sense as to why cryptocoins are bad
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Mar 12, 2018 19:08
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I feel like anyone who wants to invest in bitcoins or any other cryptocurrency should be required to google "Dutch Tulip Mania" first.
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Mar 12, 2018 22:57
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Not enough time was spent on underlining what a loving massive waste of electricity the whole thing is, and pointing out that even the good parts of blockchain technology thus still come at an extremely high price.
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Mar 12, 2018 23:03
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I will never tire of John showing footage of someone acting ridiculous, pausing, and then flatly saying 'cool.'
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Mar 12, 2018 23:03
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PT6A posted:Not enough time was spent on underlining what a loving massive waste of electricity the whole thing is, and pointing out that even the good parts of blockchain technology thus still come at an extremely high price. It also has the potential of creating a massive semiconductor bubble. Demand for GPUs and fast DRAM is at a high, creating component shortages for other industries. Samsung is now working on a dedicated mining chip which will take already constrained FAB space away from less profitable products. Crypto mining has the potential of slowing or halting technological progression in other areas by resource starvation. This reminds me of the Shoe Event Horizon from Hitchhiker's Guide.
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Mar 12, 2018 23:12
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Alhazred posted:But maybe people are gonna go "Welp, the fact that I don't have such easy access to guns makes it harder for my to shoot up my school". I doubt that. They may just as easily take a knife to school or drive a car into a crowd of students. Because they want to hurt other people or be on the news for hurting a lot of people and if they can't buy a gun they'll do that or get a gun illegally.
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Mar 12, 2018 23:14
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How in the gently caress is Mike Jerrick not loving fired into the moon
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Mar 12, 2018 23:18
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The Cheshire Cat posted:I feel like anyone who wants to invest in bitcoins or any other cryptocurrency should be required to google "Dutch Tulip Mania" first. "But you see, it's like, y'know, the tulips this time are being grown *everywhere*, brah! Not just in the 'Netherregions.'"
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