|
Re: the 4.2 stuff: I feel like the twist is probably going to be something like Zenos reasserts himself at some critical moment while the Ascian skinriding him is doing a crime, and he will then say something about how awesome it was to feel that moment and then commit sudoku. If he doesn't do something like this, Yotsuyu probably will: it will redound to our advantage but the motivation will be "no, gently caress YOU, dad."
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2018 00:01
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 27, 2024 15:49 |
|
|
Man If Yotsuya is actually possessed by an Ascian that'd be perfect and I'd be onboard for something sneaky like that
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2018 00:03
|
|
|
Glagha posted:SB end spoilers: I thought that the stinger ending bit to SB made it extremely obviously that an Ascian is being Zenos now? Like, is there any other interpretation to that scene? Zenos is dead, but now an Ascian is impersonating him. There's a kind of hanging thread about the sword that Zenos stole from the Red Kojin, the Ame no Habakari. It's the one with the red/black energy poo poo and has a specific proper name vs just being another sword he uses and seems to be special in some kind of way. In the original myth it's the sword that Susano-o used to slay Orochi, so kind of like Susano being trapped in the sword maybe Orochi has taken some influence. It's also not incompatible with how the Ascians gently caress with people either so it doesn't even preclude Eldibus in control, but the sword has been bothering me and it feels like a good payoff would be an Orochi Trial as the 4.X SB climax before moving onto bridging content
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2018 00:18
|
|
|
ChaseSP posted:Man If Yotsuya is actually possessed by an Ascian that'd be perfect and I'd be onboard for something sneaky like that She gets her memories back and takes her revenge on Garlemald by loving up some plan of theirs. Not for you, not for Doma, but because in the end, they, too, hosed with her.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2018 00:26
|
|
|
RME posted:There's a kind of hanging thread about the sword that Zenos stole from the Red Kojin, the Ame no Habakari. It's the one with the red/black energy poo poo and has a specific proper name vs just being another sword he uses and seems to be special in some kind of way. In the original myth it's the sword that Susano-o used to slay Orochi, so kind of like Susano being trapped in the sword maybe Orochi has taken some influence. It's also not incompatible with how the Ascians gently caress with people either so it doesn't even preclude Eldibus in control, but the sword has been bothering me and it feels like a good payoff would be an Orochi Trial as the 4.X SB climax before moving onto bridging content Maybe an Ascian got sucked into the sword years ago? I forget how it went in 2.5/3.0, but wasn't there a whole thing about sucking Ascians into crystals and then breaking it?
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2018 00:29
|
|
|
I'm enjoying the continuing plot in HW. Hilda is competent and tough, can we keep her?
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2018 00:41
|
|
|
Cythereal posted:I'm enjoying the continuing plot in HW. Hilda is competent and tough, can we keep her? Yes, especially if you do the MCH 60-70 stuff. Also, this 4.25 patch confuses me. Eureka is already in the game, and it is great. 
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2018 00:52
|
|
|
ChaseSP posted:Man If Yotsuya is actually possessed by an Ascian that'd be perfect and I'd be onboard for something sneaky like that I'm still surprised that Yotsuyu's amnesia is being played straight. I was halfway convinced when she turned up again that she was just playing at it so she could get the hell away from both Doma and Garlemald both but has to keep up the childlike idiot act because that goddamn Gosetsu is dead set on his papa bear act and won't leave her alone for a second. Then events snowball and make it even harder for her to drop the act and escape. Instead we get daytime soap opera plot twists #1 and #2. Kind of a shame but at least it still lets them play up the question of whether or not you can be held responsible for crimes you have no memory of to contrast with the other plot of whether or not Fordola deserves redemption.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2018 01:16
|
|
|
Daytime soap operas are a legitimate field of inquiry. The last time someone dug deep into their tropes and framing in another environment, we got Twin Peaks, and through Twin Peaks, Deadly Premonition.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2018 01:39
|
|
|
Leviabeetus posted:In response to 4.2 end scenes. Slitting his own throat may not have been suicide, but rather his way out of getting captured. We've seen that sahagin priest body hopping using the echo, and ascians can inhabit dead bodies, so I'd say the precedent for Zenos inhabiting his own body after "killing" himself has already been established. The problem with that theory is that You are describing a course of action that Zenos would never, ever do. It is completely out of sync with his world view. He killed himself full stop because his life was complete in his moment of defeat. It's 100% Elidibus piloting his corpse
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2018 01:39
|
|
|
Thundarr posted:Kind of a shame but at least it still lets them play up the question of whether or not you can be held responsible for crimes you have no memory of I've seen Black Mirror and the answer to this is apparently yes, infinitely.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2018 01:42
|
|
|
Captain Oblivious posted:The problem with that theory is that Seriously this. Zenos bitching out at the end to run away is completely against anything he would ever do, if he's actually alive it sure as poo poo isn't because he wants to be
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2018 01:52
|
|
|
One thing I will absolutely give this game: it has the most visually stunning boss battles I've ever seen in an MMO. I was hugely impressed by Ifrit when playing in free trial mode my first time, and now I've just finished Bismarck. I've enjoyed other MMOs quite a bit and been impressed by their visual design, but FF14 is something to behold when it wants to be out there.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2018 02:07
|
|
|
Cythereal posted:One thing I will absolutely give this game: it has the most visually stunning boss battles I've ever seen in an MMO. I was hugely impressed by Ifrit when playing in free trial mode my first time, and now I've just finished Bismarck. I've enjoyed other MMOs quite a bit and been impressed by their visual design, but FF14 is something to behold when it wants to be out there. You ain't seen nothin' yet.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2018 02:21
|
|
|
ImpAtom posted:You ain't seen nothin' yet. WILD AND PURE AND FOREVER FREE But for real Cythereal, check out some of the raids when you get the chance, including the older ones. There are a lot of legitimately beautiful set piece fights in this game. e: in some cases running unsynched will sour the mood a bit because a party of 70s will destroy the boss way too fast. For example, the Ex version of Ravana not only has a bunch of different mechanics, everything syncs up in time to his music in the back half of the fight if you run it at minimum ilvl. Finding a party willing to run old content at min ilvl can be harder than finding a good progression static though. Thundarr fucked around with this message at 03:02 on Mar 13, 2018 |
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2018 02:59
|
|
|
Thundarr posted:WILD AND PURE AND FOREVER FREE My plan is to go back and start unlocking that stuff once I hit 70 in my main class. I've seen most of the raids on youtube, and yeah I hope to see them. There's just a lot of poo poo to do in this game as a newbie, and I'm still enjoying the main story pretty well and am eager to see what happens next. However, spoiling this since there's other new players posting in this thread and it's a major HW spoiler, I didn't care for Haurchefant's death. I liked him okay, but not as much as the story clearly expected me to - like Alphinaud, I suppose, and I didn't like how my PC was obviously badly affected by it when I personally was not. Killing Ysayle, Estinian, or Ayemric would have made me angry, but Haurchefant? I didn't care much for him either way. A likeable but unremarkable NPC in my opinion.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2018 03:16
|
|
|
Cythereal posted:My plan is to go back and start unlocking that stuff once I hit 70 in my main class. I've seen most of the raids on youtube, and yeah I hope to see them. To be honest...I kind of forgot which one Harchefaunt was by the time he died The game just throws so many elves at you, it's hard to keep them straight, especially if you're taking months off in between patches
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2018 03:22
|
|
|
Cythereal posted:My plan is to go back and start unlocking that stuff once I hit 70 in my main class. I've seen most of the raids on youtube, and yeah I hope to see them. Haurchefant had your back when no one else did, repeatedly. When you first came to Coerthas in the level 40 range, he stuck his neck out for you repeatedly amidst the kerfuffle with the Inquisitor when everyone else was ready to slam the door in your face rather than help you in any way shape or form. When you were exile from Ul'Dah, Haurchefant was the lifeline for the Scions when EVERYTHING was in the shitter. On top of all that, he was a generally friendly optimistic dude who earnestly believed in the knightly ideal. It's not hard to see why people liked him so much 
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2018 03:22
|
|
|
Wild and Pure and Forever Free has nothing on what Bismark's leading up to. Ok it has one thing. Just one though. Cythereal posted:However, spoiling this since there's other new players posting in this thread and it's a major HW spoiler, -spoiler- I'm curious if you'll feel the same way after you do the 'bookend' quest for HW. That's what really sold me on Haurchefant's sacrifice despite me being a PLD and going 'I COULD HAVE (probably) TAKEN THAT!'
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2018 03:24
|
|
|
Re: that guy, his fantasy Klout score may not have been the highest, but he was a selfless friend who helped you in your hour of need.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2018 03:26
|
|
|
Yeah if you liked Bismarck hoo boy strap in because the finale of Heavensward is loving incredible.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2018 03:26
|
|
|
Captain Oblivious posted:Haurchefant had your back when no one else did, repeatedly. When you first came to Coerthas in the level 40 range, he stuck his neck out for you repeatedly amidst the kerfuffle with the Inquisitor when everyone else was ready to slam the door in your face rather than help you in any way shape or form. When you were exile from Ul'Dah, Haurchefant was the lifeline for the Scions when EVERYTHING was in the shitter. On top of all that, he was a generally friendly optimistic dude who earnestly believed in the knightly ideal. It's not hard to see why people liked him so much Funny thing is, Count Fortemps made a much bigger impression on me than Haurchefant. He's the guy who repeatedly, when people question you being allowed into Ishgard early in HW, points out that you're the one who killed Gaius van Baelsar, destroyed Ultima Weapon, and slew a whole bucketload of primals. It's an effective argument for shutting people up. And he lets you crash on his couch while you're theoretically in exile. Ayemric is the other guy who's made a big, positive impression on me from the Ishgard cast who wasn't part of the road trip. I like his character arc and internal conflicts, even if the church is evil because RPG there are clearly people like Ayemric who genuinely live what they claim to believe. And, just now, didn't care for Lucia's reveal. It's neat, I guess, but what does it add to her character beyond further making her an accessory to a male character who already vastly overshadows her? I hope the story does something neat with her Garlean background, I love the Garleans' style and magitek poo poo so much more than traditional fantasy stuff. I'd love to see a genuine Garlean rebellion headed by characters like Cid and Lucia. EponymousMrYar posted:I'm curious if you'll feel the same way after you do the 'bookend' quest for HW. That's what really sold me on Haurchefant's sacrifice despite me being a PLD and going 'I COULD HAVE (probably) TAKEN THAT!' I'm still struggling with cutscenes forgetting that I'm playing a healer. 
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2018 03:30
|
|
|
Captain Oblivious posted:he stuck his neck out for you repeatedly amidst the kerfuffle Not that hard for a giraffe to do.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2018 03:34
|
|
|
I have finally unlocked Squadron Command Missions. What dungeon should I run for leveling a WHM to 50? Brayfox's Longstop? I heard that Stone Vigil is particularly not nice to run with a Squadron. I'm also thinking of doing more class quests for the story. Which ones are particularly good? (I'm a BRD/WHM main right now) I did a bit of ROG and it was quite nice, but I'm not sure about the others.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2018 03:37
|
|
|
DizzyBum posted:Agreed. Don't bother going after the Lucis tools for leveling. You absolutely do not need any of them at this point. Just get to 70 ASAP on whatever you can scrounge up from quests/NPCs. If you want to come back later and collect a Lucis tool for the cheevo/glamour/etc., then go for it. Note that you only need to grind for *one* of the DoH tools and one of the DoL ones; once you get the achievement you can purchase all of the others at the Calamity Salvager. (This is stated absolutely nowhere in game, and I was halfway through making the Culinarian Lucis for the Fashion Report a few weeks back when I happened to figure it out.)
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2018 03:37
|
|
|
Schneider Heim posted:I have finally unlocked Squadron Command Missions. What dungeon should I run for leveling a WHM to 50? Brayfox's Longstop? I heard that Stone Vigil is particularly not nice to run with a Squadron. One other fun fact is that if you have retry credits, you can cheese Wondrous Tails by dungeon spamming with your squadron. Or at least you could; it's possible this was patched.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2018 03:45
|
|
|
For the love of god find seven other people to do the last 3.0 story fight at minimum ilevel, it is a million times cooler.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2018 03:51
|
|
|
Nessus posted:I never had a problem with Brayflox but I used it to level SMN. Why not just do regular roulettes as a WHM? I suppose-- the queues are near-instant anyway. I just don't know what to expect from the squadron, would they be better than the average player? I get a bit of anxiety playing as a tank so I might dip my feet into them. I just play at weird hours (12-2 AM JST) I guess? When do I unlock more GC ranks? Still stuck at 2nd Lieutenant.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2018 03:55
|
|
|
Schneider Heim posted:I suppose-- the queues are near-instant anyway. I just don't know what to expect from the squadron, would they be better than the average player? I get a bit of anxiety playing as a tank so I might dip my feet into them.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2018 03:57
|
|
|
Schneider Heim posted:I suppose-- the queues are near-instant anyway. I just don't know what to expect from the squadron, would they be better than the average player? I get a bit of anxiety playing as a tank so I might dip my feet into them. You will eventually hit 1LT but that's as far as it goes... so far.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2018 03:59
|
|
|
Got to get your squadron up to rank 3 to get to first lieutenant. That's the endpoint for gc ranks at the moment.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2018 03:59
|
|
|
a crisp refreshing Moxie posted:For the love of god find seven other people to do the last 3.0 story fight at minimum ilevel, it is a million times cooler. Yes, this. You'll know it when you get to it. It's also got a much bigger "oh poo poo did he just cast THAT?" feel if you've played a specific older FF game, but it still looks cool as hell regardless. Then after you beat it, do the Ex version to get rekt and appreciate its Now The Real Fight Begins moment. It's such a cool fight that even one of WoW's devs wrote on essay on just how cool of a fight it is.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2018 04:00
|
|
|
Schneider Heim posted:I have finally unlocked Squadron Command Missions. What dungeon should I run for leveling a WHM to 50? Brayfox's Longstop? I heard that Stone Vigil is particularly not nice to run with a Squadron. Stone Vigil requires a little paying attention to how much you’re pulling in that first big room before the first boss, but it’s the best straightforward squadron dungeon. I still run it after 50 (EXP falls off quick, though) because the higher level dungeons they’ve added are total shitshows.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2018 04:23
|
|
|
Cythereal posted:[spoiler]Funny thing is, Count Fortemps made a much bigger impression on me than Haurchefant. He's the guy who repeatedly, when people question you being allowed into Ishgard early in HW, points out that you're the one who killed Gaius van Baelsar, destroyed Ultima Weapon, and slew a whole bucketload of primals. It's an effective argument for shutting people up. And he lets you crash on his couch while you're theoretically in exile. Count Fortemps would not have given a single poo poo about the WoL if not for Haurchefant. Same goes for Aymeric really.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2018 04:25
|
|
|
homeless snail posted:You gotta level up your squadron and do a special mission to unlock first lieutenant, and then that's the cap for now. You mean they added all those shiny ranks like Officer and Commander and it's still capped at 1st Lieutenant? :o On the bright side, I won't have to spend any seals to climb up the GC ladder...
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2018 04:33
|
|
|
Schneider Heim posted:I'm also thinking of doing more class quests for the story. Which ones are particularly good? (I'm a BRD/WHM main right now) I did a bit of ROG and it was quite nice, but I'm not sure about the others. Drk to 50 and especially the capstone quest is really good. After that though if you're not super into the edgelordyness it goes down the drain, but never to the level of the truly lovely job quests like Pld before SB. Mch is my personal favourite and is an excellent complement to the Ishgard plot. Probably has the best characters too aside from Hamon Holyfist. Doing drg before HW is also pretty good since you meet Estinien early which slightly changes his dialogue and significantly changes your dynamic with him. Most jobs have atleast one pretty good arc so ultimately I'd just play whatever feels cool at the time.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2018 05:11
|
|
|
Cythereal posted:And, just now, didn't care for Lucia's reveal. It's neat, I guess, but what does it add to her character beyond further making her an accessory to a male character who already vastly overshadows her? I hope the story does something neat with her Garlean background, I love the Garleans' style and magitek poo poo so much more than traditional fantasy stuff. I'd love to see a genuine Garlean rebellion headed by characters like Cid and Lucia. Lucia's reveal is more about Aymeric than Lucia herself. She's a dyed in the wool pure blooded Garlean capital P Patriot, sent to spy on the bastard son of the most powerful man in Ishgard. She defects because of his determination and charisma, knowing full well she'll never be able to go home or see her family again. If he can convince a literal enemy of the state to follow him, surely he can be the catalyst that convinces Ishgard to correct course from their terrible history and break the endless, manipulative cycle used by the theocracy to perpetuate the hate.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2018 05:29
|
|
|
Hra Mormo posted:Drk to 50 and especially the capstone quest is really good. After that though if you're not super into the edgelordyness it goes down the drain, but never to the level of the truly lovely job quests like Pld before SB. Oh cool! I've been thinking of unlocking DRG next. Does PGL/MNK ever reach Fist of the North Star's level of punching awesomeness? That's the only class I don't have yet.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2018 06:21
|
|
|
Skaw posted:Lucia's reveal is more about Aymeric than Lucia herself. She's a dyed in the wool pure blooded Garlean capital P Patriot, sent to spy on the bastard son of the most powerful man in Ishgard. She defects because of his determination and charisma, knowing full well she'll never be able to go home or see her family again. If he can convince a literal enemy of the state to follow him, surely he can be the catalyst that convinces Ishgard to correct course from their terrible history and break the endless, manipulative cycle used by the theocracy to perpetuate the hate.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2018 06:24
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 27, 2024 15:49 |
|
|
Schneider Heim posted:Oh cool! I've been thinking of unlocking DRG next. The PUG quest is pretty strong, the MNK is pretty middle of the road. It's inoffensive at best.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2018 06:28
|
|
