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wait do I not understand how killers work? Don't they just add a normal 50% ATK? Like, if I swap beast killer for a GS Mastery, it's the same... right?
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Mar 14, 2018 07:04
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Cobalt60 posted:wait do I not understand how killers work? Don't they just add a normal 50% ATK? Like, if I swap beast killer for a GS Mastery, it's the same... right? Not even remotely. GS Mastery is 50% of your base attack added to your attack as a bonus. Killers are take your end damage and add 50% more to it.
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Mar 14, 2018 07:15
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As a rule of thumb, a type-killer ability is equivalent to 2x its value in ATK at the game's current power-creep levels. So a 50% beast killer is equivalent to a +100% ATK vs. beasts. The 75% Dragon Killer+ is equivalent to +150% ATK/MAG vs. dragons.
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Mar 14, 2018 11:23
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I’m sure this has probably been discussed a million times in the thread, but I just started playing a few days ago, so I was wondering if characters’ LB gauges fill at different rates? Setzer’s seems to fill fast as hell, but Basch’s seems to fill waaaay slower than everyone else’s. I got Basch two days ago in a rainbow crystal; his LB is nothing to write home about (fire damage to one enemy + 100% evade for 3 turns), but dude is a goddamn tank, plus he’s got some pretty good group buffs/debuffs.
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Mar 14, 2018 13:42
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Generally, a killer is better than anything +40% ATK or lower, and not as good as 50% or higher.
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Mar 14, 2018 13:52
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LadyPictureShow posted:I’m sure this has probably been discussed a million times in the thread, but I just started playing a few days ago, so I was wondering if characters’ LB gauges fill at different rates? Setzer’s seems to fill fast as hell, but Basch’s seems to fill waaaay slower than everyone else’s. You're correct; different characters LBs cost different amounts. Basch is a really nice tank to have, and will help you out for awhile. Have you posted your friends code in the thread yet?
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Mar 14, 2018 14:18
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LadyPictureShow posted:I’m sure this has probably been discussed a million times in the thread, but I just started playing a few days ago, so I was wondering if characters’ LB gauges fill at different rates? Setzer’s seems to fill fast as hell, but Basch’s seems to fill waaaay slower than everyone else’s. Yes, LB's require a different amount of the little red crysts depending on the character. Setzer only needs 16 to fill up his LB at 6* while Basch instead needs 26 to fill his gauge.
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Mar 14, 2018 14:18
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I got my first Delita. I was so let down I felt like I got Bediled.
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Mar 14, 2018 14:43
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hagie posted:I got my first Delita. Delita owns. He's been on my main squad for literally every single event we've had since I pulled him. Every story event, every raid event, every KM event, the only exceptions are those immune to breaks. 65% Def/Spr breaks are gigantic, and have allowed me to OHKO of basically everything. If you have a Pod/Pouch in addition to his normal kit, he becomes the ultimate support unit/breaker.
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Mar 14, 2018 14:46
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Yea well he gets back burnered for the 4 other units that need power crysts. Likely he won’t see the light of day when I can just toss in 9S or manage with WOL or other options.
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Mar 14, 2018 14:56
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I can't believe in all my pulls I haven't seen a Delita. Had two Knight Delitas, 2 Ramza, 1 Merc Ramza, 2 Orlandeaus; but somehow I've managed to miss base Delita. I wouldn't even mind him for those fantastic defensive breaks.
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Mar 14, 2018 15:14
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Dana Crysalis posted:Not even remotely. GS Mastery is 50% of your base attack added to your attack as a bonus. Killers are take your end damage and add 50% more to it. McSpankWich posted:Generally, a killer is better than anything +40% ATK or lower, and not as good as 50% or higher. Well, that didn't clear it up.
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Mar 14, 2018 15:16
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I'm getting close to being ready to enhance Thunderspells Grandpa Cid's Divine Ruination, and I found this enhancement planner. I'm not sure how up to date it is, though. There are characters in the list that are grey, but you can still select them and see what you need.
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Mar 14, 2018 15:50
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KDdidit posted:Well, that didn't clear it up. How? Man-Eater is better than any of the +30% of +40% ATK materias.. (Quick Assault, Widsom, Proud Fencer, etc) but not better than the 50% of 60% (Weapon type mastery, Sworn Six's Pride - Dark, etc) for overall damage.
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Mar 14, 2018 15:52
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McSpankWich posted:How? Man-Eater is better than any of the +30% of +40% ATK materias.. (Quick Assault, Widsom, Proud Fencer, etc) but not better than the 50% of 60% (Weapon type mastery, Sworn Six's Pride - Dark, etc) for overall damage. Maybe I'm reading Dana's post wrong, but it sounds like he's saying Killers are way better.
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Mar 14, 2018 16:03
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Orlandeau 6★ Right hand: Onion Sword ATK+135 Left hand: Save the Queen (FFIX) ATK+135 Head: Prishe's Hairpin HP+10%, MP+10%, ATK+45 Body: Demon Mail ATK+10, DEF+55 Accessory 1: Desch's Earring ATK+45 Accessory 2: Desch's Earring ATK+45 Materia 1: Awesome Swordsman ATK+30% Materia 2: Sworn Six's Pride - Dark ATK+60% Materia 3: Large Sword Mastery ATK+50% Materia 4: Dark Knight's Soul ATK+50% Esper: Bahamut HP+64, MP+63, ATK+60, DEF+60, MAG+60, SPR+60 Total: HP:6481, MP:290, ATK:1231, DEF:265, MAG:210, SPR:202 Damage using 1x skill: 44444 Same build against a Dragon type enemy, switching SSP-Dark for Dragon Killer. Orlandeau 6★ Right hand: Onion Sword ATK+135 Left hand: Save the Queen (FFIX) ATK+135 Head: Prishe's Hairpin HP+10%, MP+10%, ATK+45 Body: Demon Mail ATK+10, DEF+55 Accessory 1: Desch's Earring ATK+45 Accessory 2: Desch's Earring ATK+45 Materia 1: Awesome Swordsman ATK+30% Materia 2: Dragon Killer Materia 3: Large Sword Mastery ATK+50% Materia 4: Dark Knight's Soul ATK+50% Esper: Bahamut HP+64, MP+63, ATK+60, DEF+60, MAG+60, SPR+60 Total: HP:6481, MP:290, ATK:1117, DEF:265, MAG:210, SPR:202 Damage: 53519 Killers are better.
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Mar 14, 2018 16:04
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McSpankWich posted:How? Man-Eater is better than any of the +30% of +40% ATK materias.. (Quick Assault, Widsom, Proud Fencer, etc) but not better than the 50% of 60% (Weapon type mastery, Sworn Six's Pride - Dark, etc) for overall damage. http://ffbeequip.lyrgard.fr Makes it trivial to see what the best setup is. Answer: it's almost always worth equipping 50% or better killers (as many as you can). Then after that you try to get as close as you can to 300% attack. edit: beaten by PBJ Victis fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Mar 14, 2018 |
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Mar 14, 2018 16:05
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PaybackJack posted:I can't believe in all my pulls I haven't seen a Delita. Had two Knight Delitas, 2 Ramza, 1 Merc Ramza, 2 Orlandeaus; but somehow I've managed to miss base Delita. Same but with ramza, i have 3 delita, knight delita, 3 orlandu, and got merc ramza this weekend, but not a single base ramza.
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Mar 14, 2018 16:15
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The free and half price summon got me Divine Soleil and Rasler today. This weekends cactuars can't come fast enough, I have a big pile of chars to level and awaken.
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Mar 14, 2018 16:38
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Because I'm curious about such things... Baseline: Orlandeau 6★ Right hand: Onion Sword ATK+135 Left hand: Save the Queen (FFIX) ATK+135 Head: Prishe's Hairpin HP+10%, MP+10%, ATK+45 Body: Demon Mail ATK+10, DEF+55 Accessory 1: Desch's Earring ATK+45 Accessory 2: Desch's Earring ATK+45 Materia 1: ATK +10% ATK+10% Materia 2: Large Sword Mastery ATK+50% Materia 3: ATK +10% ATK+10% Materia 4: Awesome Swordsman ATK+30% Esper: Bahamut HP+64, MP+63, ATK+60, DEF+60, MAG+60, SPR+60 Total: HP:6481, MP:290, ATK:1060, DEF:265, MAG:210, SPR:202 Same attack value, + Killers Orlandeau 6★ Right hand: Onion Sword ATK+135 Left hand: Save the Queen (FFIX) ATK+135 Head: Prishe's Hairpin HP+10%, MP+10%, ATK+45 Body: Demon Mail ATK+10, DEF+55 Accessory 1: Desch's Earring ATK+45 Accessory 2: Desch's Earring ATK+45 Materia 1: ATK +20% ATK+20% Materia 2: Large Sword Mastery ATK+50% Materia 3: Poach/Dragon Killer/Dragon Killer+ Materia 4: Awesome Swordsman ATK+30% Esper: Bahamut HP+64, MP+63, ATK+60, DEF+60, MAG+60, SPR+60 Total: HP:6481, MP:290, ATK:1060, DEF:265, MAG:210, SPR:202 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Baseline:31658 Baseline + 25% ATK: 35028 (+134.8 damage per 1% ATK) Baseline + 50% ATK: 38494 (+136.72 damage per 1% ATK) Baseline + 15% Killer: 36406 (+316.53~ damage per 1% Killer) Baseline + 50% Killer: 47487 (+316.58 damage per 1% Killer) Baseline + 75% Killer: 55401 (+316.573~ damage per 1% Killer) Poach(Killer +15%) is probably about the same as ATK +30%, 50% and higher isn't even close.
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Mar 14, 2018 16:38
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hmm.. maybe poach is what I was thinking of then.
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Mar 14, 2018 16:47
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{[Base/Potted ATK x (1 + passive ATK%) + Equip ATK x (1 + equip ATK%) + Esper ATK/100] x highest active ATK battle buff x highest active ATK break}^2 = Actual raw damage value Once you have the raw damage, it is wrung through the damage amplifications/reductions calculation to get the actual damage number that pops up in a fight. Because Killer effects are applied as a damage amplification, in a way they actually take your entire ATK stat into account, rather than just a part of it (for passive or unspecified ATK%, only Base/Potted ATK applies, whereas for gear-given ATK, only Equip ATK% applies). However, killers are not applied before the squaring process to get raw damage so you can't just say "Well a 50% dragon killer means my 1000 ATK stat becomes 1500 ATK vs. Dragons". You only end up at a 1225 ATK once you square the ATK, apply the killer, and take the square root of that to get ATK back, which is still absurdly strong mind you. Just think about that for a second, a trashy-fit 1000 ATK Orlandeau that just comes with a single Dragon Killer will outdamage your top-TMR-kitted-the-gently caress-out Thunder God with 1200 ATK. Dual Wield units complicate this a little bit since you need to actually back-calculate their ATK stat without either weapon, add weapon A to that and do all the calculations for attack A, and do the same for weapon B. So a 960 sheet ATK Orlandeau with two 130 ATK weapons will actually have 830 ATK on swing A and 830 ATK on swing B, i.e. sqrt(830^2 + 830^2) = 1174 ATK with both swings in reality. If he has Dragon Killer (50%) and Dragon Killer+ (75%) materias, and also Odin's Dragon Killer (50%) for a total of 175% extra damage vs. dragons, his effective ATK vs. Dragons turns out to be sqrt(1174^2 x 2.75) = 1947 ATK. Alternatively if he didn't have Killers and was maxed out at 1200 ATK with those same two 130 ATK weapons, he'd have an effective ATK of 1513. So yeah, don't just look at your sheet ATK as the be-all end-all number for damage, because those killers make a massive difference in action. Office Thug fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Mar 14, 2018 |
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Mar 14, 2018 16:51
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Sheratan down, all missions except the esper kill (gently caress that noise). Now just have the robot, Malboro, and the other 12 arm trial boss todo. Relevant to the current discussion, Ang equipped with the plant killer ability was hilarious ZarathustraFollower fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Mar 14, 2018 |
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Mar 14, 2018 17:21
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ZarathustraFollower posted:Sheratan down, all missions except the esper kill (gently caress that noise). Now just have the robot, Malboro, and the other 12 arm trial boss todo. Garnet/Eiko can do so much damage with Bahamut/Leviathan as a chain finisher that they make those missions (especially on 10-mans where you can just swap them in) pretty easy.
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Mar 14, 2018 17:33
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Tengames posted:Same but with ramza, i have 3 delita, knight delita, 3 orlandu, and got merc ramza this weekend, but not a single base ramza. I have 7* of all the FFT rainbows but 0 Cids  Re: killer talk, unless your unit has baked in killers it’s not even worth the math. Strap on any killer you can find. There’s a lot stronger diminishing returns on killers just because of how it’s calculated. So units akin to Firion might warrant some math. But generally killers are so scarce that you never get close to the point of diminishing returns.
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Mar 14, 2018 17:45
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Victis posted:Garnet/Eiko can do so much damage with Bahamut/Leviathan as a chain finisher that they make those missions (especially on 10-mans where you can just swap them in) pretty easy. Yea, my Garnet with +90% EVO (70 innate enhanced, +20 materia) took down Sheretan from 40% by capping a chain. It's crazy.
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Mar 14, 2018 17:49
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If you pop a killer on Garnet, I am assuming it does not apply onto the Esper.
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Mar 14, 2018 18:30
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Espers don’t even use your stats for damage, so yes I think that’s likely
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Mar 14, 2018 18:39
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What the gently caress is going on with my free daily pulls: since the pulls started, I have had 4 free daily rainbows, including both yesterday and today, making two free rainbows in a row. Aileen, Wilhelm, Basch #2, and Gilgamesh. I wanted all this saved up luck for CG Fina 
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Mar 14, 2018 20:46
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It's just your time.
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Mar 14, 2018 21:09
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Meanwhile, I've yet to get a single Tomb Raider Banner character...
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Mar 14, 2018 21:47
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All these crappy banners are really helping my ticket supply. I’m back up to 85 now and I don’t even know that I care all that much about cg Fina. I’ll blow a few tickets if I don’t get enough katana boys from dailies. Hard to imagine not getting 2 3* from 7 pulls, though. It’s difficult to argue with going full bore on that banner because basically any on-banner is at least decent. Both 5* are good and the 4 and 3 are great TMs. Probably going to end up saving most of what I have until sephiroth/lila and/or cg nichol*. Sephiroth’s 7* seems kinda nuts. He’s got a ffb chaining ability. * - Nichol is turn 1 130% full buffs, 65% full break, healing and mp refresh for 2 turns. He’s also not a bard, so he can spend every other turn doing other crazy poo poo. His 7* also lets you fill the summon gauge alongside even better buffs. And his stmr has +75% leviathan damage. Ugato fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Mar 14, 2018 |
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Mar 14, 2018 22:36
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Sephiroth is when I'll be blowing lapis, given step-ups. CG Fina I just want a 5* Healer finally  Plus I have the tickets to burn for the same reason.
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Mar 14, 2018 22:49
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ZarathustraFollower posted:You're correct; different characters LBs cost different amounts. Basch is a really nice tank to have, and will help you out for awhile. Have you posted your friends code in the thread yet? I put it up in the goon spreadsheet. It's good to hear he'll stay helpful for a good while. Mostly I was happy to get him because he was my favorite char in FFXII, wasn't too impressed with him off the bat, but once I enhanced him a bit, it was awesome. (E: I just got Noctis; is he any good?) LadyPictureShow fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Mar 14, 2018 |
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Mar 14, 2018 22:54
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AegisP posted:Sephiroth is when I'll be blowing lapis, given step-ups. I burned around 200 pulls chasing Ayaka and didn't even see a single rainbow (thanks in no small part to the 1->3% change happening later). Can't wait to get burned on CG Fina too. At least I can make a 7* Rem when those become available in late summer or so.
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Mar 14, 2018 23:12
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Speaking of healers, if you have Y'shtola, Refia, WW Fina, and regular/Santa Roselia as your options... What's the least bad?
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Mar 14, 2018 23:23
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WebDO posted:Speaking of healers, if you have Y'shtola, Refia, WW Fina, and regular/Santa Roselia as your options... What's the least bad? WW Fina if you have dual cast/double white available (sheratan gives you a double white staff). She's the most versatile of the healers of that bunch. Regular Roselia doesn't have a dependable raise but has access to triple white which gives her the most healing throughput out of all of them. If you have someone that can cover for raises then she'd be the best choice. Yshtola is still decent if your party composition doesn't facilitate roselia and you dont have dualcast
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Mar 14, 2018 23:31
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Jesus Rainbow. I just 1 shot Castle LGD chaining our TTerras together after a 1 turn set up. Your TTerra is everything I wish mine to become.
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Mar 15, 2018 02:46
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I've been rocking FF fan favorite Charming Kitty Arianna even since i grabbed her on a daily. Decent healer but man am I sick of looking at that sprite
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Mar 15, 2018 03:17
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Kjermzs posted:Jesus Rainbow. I just 1 shot Castle LGD chaining our TTerras together after a 1 turn set up. Your TTerra is everything I wish mine to become. TT/Christine is my favorite chainer   (I found the FFBE chain macro maker and had to play around with it)
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