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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Harvey Weinstein is neither fruit on the bottom posted:Yeah, but both him and Hitler were used as examples earlier and it was really stupid. yeah they were both used as examples by other posters they're not good examples, because neither of them made artwork considered good by anybody. all pyf posters do is find the shortest road to Nazi town so they can elicit an emotional response
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How, exactly, does depriving yourself of a film combat child abuse, and why is not watching a film considered a significant gesture.
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Mar 14, 2018 19:03
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Das Boo posted:Since folks are having trouble distilling my opinion, I'll spell it out: "It is hypocritical to judge the morality of someone for enjoying something produced by a bad person. You are guilty of the same thing." I’m entirely comfortable judging the morality of someone who tacitly supports a KNOWN abuser
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Mar 14, 2018 19:06
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I’m entirely comfortable judging the morality of someone who tacitly supports a KNOWN abuser they're saying that watching a movie isn't tacitly supporting the creator, so your response is basically a very self righteous "yeah-huh"
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Mar 14, 2018 19:13
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I guess it depends who. Every Woody Allen movie is about Woody Allen.
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Mar 14, 2018 19:14
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poptart_fairy posted:How, exactly, does depriving yourself of a film combat child abuse, and why is not watching a film considered a significant gesture. Presumably because it cuts into the revenue stream. Essentially the same principle as boycotting a company’s products. How effective it is compared to that I honestly don’t know.
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Mar 14, 2018 19:15
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hawowanlawow posted:they're saying that watching a movie isn't tacitly supporting the creator, so your response is basically a very self righteous "yeah-huh" I contend that it is Also note that I’m not about to fuckin blacklist acquaintences who like what I consider questionable things. something something middle ground cartman
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Mar 14, 2018 19:18
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There are ways to watch movies that don't benefit the creator/director/whoever.
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Mar 14, 2018 19:19
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Blue Moonlight posted:There’s a reason there’s a largely superfluous chunk of Nemesis where Picard drives around a dune buggy. Oh absolutely. I remember the behind-the-scenes featurette where he kept jokingly saying he was related to a car racer also named Stewart. quote:Another nerd PHUO: Star Trek ‘09 and it’s sequels, and Disney shitcanning the Star Wars EU, were exactly what their respective franchises needed. To a point. Star Trek got up its own rear end, but the result so far has been middling at best. The latest one was decent, but they still sacrificed a lot of the heart of what made Star Trek good just to make a fun movie. Also, [WARNING: TREK NERD RANT INCOMING] the first two made sense because it's a new timeline, but the set-up for the latest one happened before that divergence point. So my question is what happened to Krall/Edison in the original timeline? I know I shouldn't think too much about it. As for Star Wars, I have a similar gripe. The latest two movies should've been condensed into one because they wasted 1/3 of a trilogy replaying the same story, and Episode VIII was a little long. I know Abrams didn't have a plan or anything, but he should've. I also think they botched it by resetting the Empire/Rebels dynamic. The Force Awakens at least made it seem like the Republic and the First Order were an equal match (or at least at a stand-off), but now the First Order is running across the galaxy? There's no focus there, and it showed.
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Basebf555 posted:There are ways to watch movies that don't benefit the creator/director/whoever. mods???
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fruit on the bottom posted:Presumably because it cuts into the revenue stream. Essentially the same principle as boycotting a company’s products. How effective it is compared to that I honestly don’t know. Right, but the point is a lot of emphasis is put on how righteous it is to deprive yourself of a film, with comparatively little of that outrage being funneled towards industries where boycotting them results in more discomfort than not being able to see the latest Kill Robot film. If you accuse someone of being complicit with child abuse because they "support" Hollywood, it's going to take a lot more loving introspection than a casual glance over your Dvd collection. "It's easy to boycott films" is true but also really loving lazy, and pretty hypocritical unless you've taken that approach with other things. As it stands I've only ever seen people bitch about it being too hard or how they can't boycott everything, which shows how half-assed it is to begin with.
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Mar 14, 2018 19:23
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I contend that it is Man, at least commit to your convictions. This is some weak poo poo
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Mar 14, 2018 19:23
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It's not worth doing anything unless you can do everything.
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Mar 14, 2018 19:28
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Aphrodite posted:It's not worth doing anything unless you can do everything. Doing the minimum and expecting the same praise as those actively taking substantial, Co structure efforts is pathetic. Hell, we've got Edgar calling everyone complicit in aiding fascists but he's too lazy about it to actually severe connections with the people he judges. That would take actual effort.
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Mar 14, 2018 19:30
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I'd rather be blacklisted by a friend than have them stick around silently judging me or at worst condescendingly scoffing at me when i say i watched a kevin spacey movie. Either stick to your convictions and alienate all your wrongthink friends or dehumanize yourself and face to bloodshed
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Mar 14, 2018 19:32
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I contend that it is lol
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Mar 14, 2018 19:47
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The Congo Free State was worse than the Holocaust and no one cares because it happened in Africa.
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Mar 14, 2018 20:27
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My idea to get all democrats in battleground states to register as republicans to maneuver around voter suppression is a good idea and I don't care what anyone says 
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Mar 14, 2018 20:31
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Rainbow Knight posted:The Congo Free State was worse than the Holocaust and no one cares because it happened in Africa. That's part of it, but the Holocaust was also directly related to a huge World War, and took place 50 years after Leopold's death so it's that much fresher in the collective memory. Mainly the WWII thing though, people all around the world hated Nazis so it was easier to get people to pay attention to it compared to other more isolated genocides.
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Mar 14, 2018 20:34
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I really don’t like the idea of ranking atrocities as better than/worse than. I mean I get what you’re saying about how CFS gets overlooked and that race is a large element of that, but I don’t want to start playing that game. Similarly I have no taste for the “who was worse Stalin or Hitler” question.
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Mar 14, 2018 20:37
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Blue Moonlight posted:Another nerd PHUO: Star Trek ‘09 and it’s sequels, and Disney shitcanning the Star Wars EU, were exactly what their respective franchises needed. You're assuming the franchises don't need to just die off. Bringing them back as sterile slop meant to appease the most people with the least effort is definitely worse than that.
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fruit on the bottom posted:I really don’t like the idea of ranking atrocities as better than/worse than. I mean I get what you’re saying about how CFS gets overlooked and that race is a large element of that, but I don’t want to start playing that game. I can see what you mean. If I were to refine it I guess it would be something like, "the Congo Free State was horrible and no one talks about it because it was in Africa."
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Mar 14, 2018 21:17
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I just wonder how little has gone wrong in someone's life that worrying about what other people watch and judging them for it is any sort of priority.
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Rainbow Knight posted:I can see what you mean. If I were to refine it I guess it would be something like, "the Congo Free State was horrible and no one talks about it because it was in Africa." Nah, it’s cool. I got what you were saying and I wasn’t aiming at you directly. It just got me thinking in a general sense. I agree and I wish it got more attention. I think it gets lumped in with “we did some major poo poo to Africa” which means we gloss over the particular horrors of what happened.
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poptart_fairy posted:"It's easy to boycott films" is true but also really loving lazy, and pretty hypocritical unless you've taken that approach with other things. As it stands I've only ever seen people bitch about it being too hard or how they can't boycott everything, which shows how half-assed it is to begin with. poptart_fairy posted:Doing the minimum and expecting the same praise as those actively taking substantial, Co structure efforts is pathetic.
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Mar 14, 2018 23:59
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Edgar is comparing viewing of a movie to complicit child abuse, while lacking the balls to so much as snip his connections with people who looking at the material. When you can't muster even a fraction of conviction over something this minor, loving lol
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Solice Kirsk posted:I just wonder how little has gone wrong in someone's life that worrying about what other people watch and judging them for it is any sort of priority. Hot take apparently escaping this esteemed thread: one can have an opinion and furiously post about it without seething that other people disagree or smugly judging anyone else. I am not ok watching rapist movies, I will post that, but I don’t think anyone irl is particularly horrible because of what movies they like. Hell, chances are I like a movie by some godawful POS and when it comes out I will go « uhhh but it is a good movie! » then, looking like even more of a shitposting hypocrite It’s tough but you can disagree with x thing while not smugly judging everyone else. That actually reminds me of vegans. It’s similar. The preachy vegan is a loving unicorn but it takes about 30 seconds at a restaurant to find someone who ABSOLUTELY HATES THEM, THOSE IDIOTS, THOSE SMUG BUFFOONS! Vegans are fine, they have good points, and 99% of them aren’t sitting around smugly judging you from afar. If being smugly judged by some stranger is high on your radar it’s probably because you’re a total douche constantly judging strangers. Chill. Edgar Allen Ho has a new favorite as of 01:26 on Mar 15, 2018 |
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That's fine, but saying that watching it makes someone complicit is the part I don't agree with. Wagner wrote some really great music and was horrible terrible person. Thinking Die Walküre is a good piece of music/opera doesn't make everyone that likes it antisemitic.
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Mar 15, 2018 01:28
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Solice Kirsk posted:That's fine, but saying that watching it makes someone complicit is the part I don't agree with. Wagner wrote some really great music and was horrible terrible person. Thinking Die Walküre is a good piece of music/opera doesn't make everyone that likes it antisemitic. That’s also the part where most people are getting the “smugly judging” vibe too
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That’s kinda the definition of the word complicit though Don’t get me wrong, I’m a 21st-century westerner. I’m complicit in lots of bad things too. Edgar Allen Ho has a new favorite as of 03:16 on Mar 15, 2018 |
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no it isn't
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Mar 15, 2018 03:24
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Webster’s dictionary defines “complicit” as: helping to commit a crime or do wrong in some way
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Wagner ain't getting residuals. And neither are the actors and writers and hundreds of other people who worked on Weinstein films without any culpability for what he did. Way to punish lots of innocent people just to take a fraction of a cent out of the pocket of a bad guy, jerks. Maybe Kate Mara would have used her last Netflix check to help underprivileged kids go to summer camp. What I'm trying to say is, gently caress everything.
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Mar 15, 2018 07:17
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Maybe social media outrage works better. Then it will convince people in the future to not work with said creep. I bet Woody Allen has a lot more trouble casting his next movie.
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Mar 15, 2018 07:25
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walrusman posted:Wagner ain't getting residuals. I imagine the vast majority of the people working on those projects are being paid a fixed amount for the project and have no stake in the residuals. Like, I doubt the key grip gets hurt or helped by any of it.
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Mu Zeta posted:Maybe social media outrage works better. Then it will convince people in the future to not work with said creep. I bet Woody Allen has a lot more trouble casting his next movie. I highly doubt it. Social media users' memory is very short so he just has to wait until they move on to some other thing to be outraged at and go back to work as normal.
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Mar 15, 2018 08:48
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Outrage over Woody Allen and Roman Polanski have been coming and going for decades. Every time the new generation finds out they get upset and then slowly realize nothing will ever change and move on. Hollywood is a disgusting bog filled with rapists and pedophiles and no one is going to change it because no one really wants it to change.
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Mar 15, 2018 13:26
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I blame artsy types as a whole.
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I think this is a good idea
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Guy Goodbody posted:I think this is a good idea I have seen documentary evidence that this will lead to social justice
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