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I really love stupid comic book stuff that is poorly thought out. In Injustice Blue Beetle (Jamie) gives air for Supergirl on the moon by making a shelter from his armor after she'd already ran out of air. It was a real "gently caress yea, comic books" moment.
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Grem posted:I really love stupid comic book stuff that is poorly thought out. In Injustice Blue Beetle (Jamie) gives air for Supergirl on the moon by making a shelter from his armor after she'd already ran out of air. It was a real "gently caress yea, comic books" moment. I figured his suit generated the air, the same way it seems to generate 'pure energy' and such. Scarab's pretty powerful, it's like a low-range lantern ring. Lousy comic book day, though, for DC at least. Deathblow is getting a little interesting but is still more than weirdly focused on things that aren't depicted very well. Sideways and New Super-Man and the Justice League of China were cool, though. Sideway's basically got a portal gun superpower so hopefully they'll get into the tricks he can pull off with it. Dragonson sounds a little off. Would Aqua-Khan be fitting? I like that he's so indoctrinated he thinks the voice he's hearing in his head calling him son is the god-emperor of the DPRNK while still rejecting him as a leader.
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Mar 15, 2018 04:33
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Aqua-Khan just makes me think of Khan from KOTH as Aquaman. So sure, let's use it
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Mar 15, 2018 04:37
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The 'next issue' preview refers to him as "Aquaman of North Korea." So I could see his name being "Dragonson" while his actual Hero name is just "Aquaman"
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Mar 15, 2018 06:55
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nofather posted:Lousy comic book day, though, for DC at least A Mister Miracle week can't be a lousy week.
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Teenage Fansub posted:Anyone pick up Green Lantern Earth One and care to review it? It's delayed on Comixology :/ Eww gently caress. I was really looking forward to a Jeff Lemire Hawkman run. I absolutely despise Venshitty after reading his initial stuff on Green Lantern and have no interest in reading his crap. Why bother with the whole process of giving Hawkman a big Rebirth treatment and using Metal to make him have a big epic comeback if you're just going to give it to the usual lousy B-Grade stable of writers?
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I've been really loving Venditti's current GLC series...I haven't read the N52 one though, what exactly was the issue with it? Also, thirding that New Super-Man and the JLOC is still one of the best books around. Like, Priest's JL is fine and whatever, but this is the Justice League that I've been rooting for. 
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BrianWilly posted:I've been really loving Venditti's current GLC series...I haven't read the N52 one though, what exactly was the issue with it? I'm also really enjoying Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corp. When I hear people complain about Venditti on GL almost inevitably the thing brought up is Hal and Carol being broken up for Kyle and Carol which... fair nuff? It was a pretty poo poo plot and probably the worst iteration of that plot to go around? But his work since Rebirth's been very solid. But I'm a weirdo, I loved Tony Bedard's New Guardians until #0 and them actually breaking up the interesting dynamics and interactions that was going on with Kyle's little group in favor of "And here's the corp leaders, the art's poo poo, and the plot is rushed for this new event." Same time, Bedard's Blue Beetle was poo poo.
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Onmi posted:I'm also really enjoying Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corp. When I hear people complain about Venditti on GL almost inevitably the thing brought up is Hal and Carol being broken up for Kyle and Carol which... fair nuff? It was a pretty poo poo plot and probably the worst iteration of that plot to go around? But his work since Rebirth's been very solid. But I'm a weirdo, I loved Tony Bedard's New Guardians until #0 and them actually breaking up the interesting dynamics and interactions that was going on with Kyle's little group in favor of "And here's the corp leaders, the art's poo poo, and the plot is rushed for this new event." That wasn't the only issue, he also retconned a bunch of retarded poo poo into the mythos like the idea of the emotional spectrum being able to run out (despite you know, being literal weaponized emotions), bring back the emotional entities for no other reason to kill them again in a couple of panels and the aforementioned issue with Hal and Carol. Luckily, he has dropped his own additions to the mythos on this new run and the overall tone is closer to Johns' original run.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:That wasn't the only issue, he also retconned a bunch of retarded poo poo into the mythos like the idea of the emotional spectrum being able to run out (despite you know, being literal weaponized emotions), bring back the emotional entities for no other reason to kill them again in a couple of panels and the aforementioned issue with Hal and Carol. Okay but what if you're someone like me who hated Geoff Johns run, hated the emotional spectrum in the first place and didn't care about the Entities finding them a lovely retcon in the first place? And also doesn't think his current book is anything like Johns old run, since there's not nearly enough of "The same loving story told over and over again, just swapping some words around."
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The I guess you will love Venditti's old run? 
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I'm watching Professor Marston and the Wonder Women and I hope it's depiction of early DC is in any way accurate. "We're getting complaints from decency groups about the kinky poo poo. We'll have to cut it down by about 60%" "Fascists!" edit: Looking through the pre-Crisis WW covers after the movie, I found something interesting. In the mid 70's right after her mod reinvention was ditched, for ten straight issues (almost two years on the publishing schedule at the time) there was another seemingly unrelated character on the cover with a blurb inviting you to read. I was guessing that the sales were so dire at the time that they needed Superman and even Elongated Man on the front literally telling the kids to give a crap about Wonder Woman, but clicking into them, each issue was actually a report narrated by a JLer to the rest of the League, detailing a WW adventure they observed that would convince them (or not?) to readmit her to the team (I guess she left in that mod period.) http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Wonder_Woman_Vol_1_212  Probably not gonna bother reading them, but it's kinda interesting that her story was told by her pals spying on her for a good while. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 12:08 on Mar 15, 2018 |
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I want a modern comic to use that format with a lovely hero.
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Sinners Sandwich posted:I want a modern comic to use that format with a lovely hero. Batman points to a Teen Titans cover: "Look I know the last 2 or 3 times we did this team it was bad but it'll be different this time, baby, please!"
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Finally got a chance to sit down and read Mr. Miracle last night. They were pretty blatant about referencing the Lump, which leads me to believe this is all a hallucination as Scott breaks free from Darkseid/Granny/Anti-Life, but I felt it was a bit more when Barda asked Scott if he remembered Jacob's Ladder. I know in comic they're referencing a torture device back on Apokolips, but I kept thinking about the movie which had similar themes. I don't think they would be calling Scott back to combat considering he was found guilty of being an Agent of Darkseid, escaped prison, and then was discovered standing over the murdered corpse of Orion, and then they just fast forward till the baby's birth and it's as if it all just blew over. There's no way this is real, and at this point I'm thinking this (mostly) ideal life with Barda is mostly a trick to try and convince Scott to stay in the illusion rather than free himself, a la the Black Mercy, and all the creepy weird poo poo isn't so much evil as trying to tell him what's really going on.
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The new wave of Hanna Barbera crossovers has been revealed.quote:
https://www.newsarama.com/39083-shazam-meets-captain-caveman-and-more-in-new-wave-of-dc-hanna-barbera-crossover-books.html
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:The new wave of Hanna Barbera crossovers has been revealed. I wish these to be good. Crossover specials take my energy.
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Mar 15, 2018 18:40
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I'm in for Black Lightning/Hong Kong Phooey, and Super Sons/Dynomutt.
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Onmi posted:Okay but what if you're someone like me who hated Geoff Johns run, hated the emotional spectrum in the first place and didn't care about the Entities finding them a lovely retcon in the first place? While I don't like Johns, what would you have wanted to happen in Green Lantern over the past several years? They didn't seem like they were going anywhere. I kind of like the other Corps, but I think some were introduced as baddies and Johns likes his characters too much to do that, so now even the more evil ones have veered hard towards anti-hero (I believe the GLs have even teamed up with Black Hand?). He's not so good with villains, which might make sense considering his big inspirations. nofather fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Mar 15, 2018 |
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Endless Mike posted:I'm in for Black Lightning/Hong Kong Phooey, and Super Sons/Dynomutt. This makes me think it's going to be pretty much Power Man/Iron Fist.
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nofather posted:While I don't like Johns, what would you have wanted to happen in Green Lantern over the past several years? They didn't seem like they were going anywhere. I dunno, not the same story repeated over and over again? Original villains and concepts? Character development? Anything that wasn't just popcorn fluff that everyone thought was the greatest thing ever. Oh and while I'm asking for these supposedly very difficult concepts, actually making use of the Green Lanterns ability to 'Make Constructs' for interesting fights would maybe be pushing it a bit too far. Oh! And asking Geoff Johns to do a modicum of loving research and not just poo poo over everything made by anyone else because he had an idea of how things are as a teenager and he doesn't really care if that's not how reality is. The only metric by which Geoff Johns Green Lantern was 'Good' was by sales.
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Mr Hootington posted:I wish these to be good. The Looney Tunes ones were pretty great. Not expecting another Batman/Elmer Fudd, but DC seems to put some effort into these things.
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Onmi posted:I dunno, not the same story repeated over and over again? Original villains and concepts? Character development? Anything that wasn't just popcorn fluff that everyone thought was the greatest thing ever. Oh and while I'm asking for these supposedly very difficult concepts, actually making use of the Green Lanterns ability to 'Make Constructs' for interesting fights would maybe be pushing it a bit too far. Oh! And asking Geoff Johns to do a modicum of loving research and not just poo poo over everything made by anyone else because he had an idea of how things are as a teenager and he doesn't really care if that's not how reality is. That is extreme bias. I don't know what is your metric for original villains and concepts but every new character introduced during his run was certainly original. And I don't know what you mean about making GBS threads on everyone else's previous work when he revamped a bunch of elements from previous writers. He did shift the focus to Jordan but that doesn't mean the rest of the Earth Lanterns suddenly became incompetent.
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BC has a JL cover by Jim Cheung and is extrapolating that he's jumping from Marvel to be Scott Snyder's JL artist. https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/03/15/john-stewart-scott-snyder-jim-cheung-justice-league-relaunch/  So, that's Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, Barry Flash, Cyborg, Aquaman, Martian Manhunter, John Stewart GL and Hawkgirl. Would have liked one of the goofier picks from the No Justice teams in there, but I'll take it. Cheung's great. e: And in not so interesting news, looking at these, there's obviously going to be a Superman variants month timed for AC1K https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/03/15/18-dc-comics-covers-april-may-nick-bradshaw-ryan-sook-jg-jones/ 
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:That is extreme bias. I don't know what is your metric for original villains and concepts but every new character introduced during his run was certainly original. You know what made Sinestro stand out as a Renegade Green Lantern with a power ring? That nobody else in Hal's rogue's gallery could do that. Nobody else could make constructs, they had to fight him in their own unique ways. Every single villain Geoff Johns ever made had the exact same set of powers Hal and company did, just flavored differently "Oh it's like acid and it's red because of Mad." Isn't actually interesting at all when we just got "Yellow because of FEAR" and that not 5 minutes later we got "Orange because Greedy, except it's all one guy and anyone he kills becomes part of his power." His most 'Original' creation was the Third Army, and they're just the Borg and also boring. But that's Geoff Johns in a nutshell, he's boring. His ideas were neat the first time and it just got progressively stupider the more he wrote. He was essentially trying to make a 'Speedforce but for Ring Slingers' and, in my opinion, failed miserably and rather than build a rich mythos hammered everything down into a boring slot. I'd rather have Venditti throwing Zod's family at the GLC, because he didn't feel the need to also give them construct based powers he let "Kryptonian family powered by two Yellow Suns with a Cult of Personality surrounding them" vs "Will-enabled heroes who can create anything limited only by their imagination" play out... as just what it is. The reason I hate Geoff Johns is the reason I love New Superman. New-Superman isn't just "Another Kryptonian, Amazon, rich kid who lost his parents" etc. Kong Kenan isn't Clark Kent, in fact he was the furthest you could get from him, Wang Baixi isn't rich, he has loving parents, and he's overweight, he's got the intelligence and that's it he was only third place in his class to. Peng Deilan isn't an Amazon, she's not related to divinity, though her story does come from myth, that of the Legend of the White Snake. And their enemies are not just "Chinese Metallo, Chinese Penguin" Even the 'Chinese Joker' Alpaqa isn't anything like the Joker we have, her entire build is within the confines of her story and flavored as such. The reason I hate Geoff Johns is the same reason when Adam Beechen wrote Batman Beyond and he had a 'Catwoman' show up, and then had Terry joke about how he didn't have a Catwoman before, and oh they have to flirt it's tradition, while also mowing down Terry's actual existing rogues (They all got better under different writers). I just had to roll my eyes, because it had such a fundamental lack of understanding of Batman Beyond, Terry and was literally just bringing in "Villain from Batman's past but a sequel: Oh it's Catwoman and Hush, very original yes?" It'd take me way too many times to go over every plot hole, every inconsistency, every dumb retcon Geoff Johns ever did duringhis Green Lantern run, but we could basically start with Parallax and then go with "Everything after Parallax" Onmi fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Mar 15, 2018 |
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Onmi posted:Sinestro Corp War, Blackest Night, War of the Green Lanterns and Rise of the Third Army are fundamentally the exact same story, with the exact same set up of PROPHECY going basically through the exact same beats. The window dressing is different but they don't do anything with the concept. As for what I consider to be an 'Original Villain' Well, having the heroes fight someone who doesn't ALSO use their exact power set is typically a bar of entry. Except that that isn't the case? You're ignoring the characterization that went into each character that made them interesting on their own right. Atrocitus is a very different character from Sinestro, both are different from Larfleeze and so on. Even their powers work differently. And frankly, I fail to see how elaborating the idea of emotion fueled powers to a logical conclusion is a bad thing on itself. quote:His most 'Original' creation was the Third Army, and they're just the Borg and also boring. But that's Geoff Johns in a nutshell, he's boring. His ideas were neat the first time and it just got progressively stupider the more he wrote. He was essentially trying to make a 'Speedforce but for Ring Slingers' and, in my opinion, failed miserably and rather than build a rich mythos hammered everything down into a boring slot. You seem to be in the minority with this opinion since Johns' tenure on the title briefly made GL one of the heavy hitters in DC's stable (nearly on par with the Trinity) and what landed him on his current position of power at DC. He has spread himself thin over the years but SCW, BN and Wrath of the First Lantern still hold up. quote:I'd rather have Venditti throwing Zod's family at the GLC, because he didn't feel the need to also give them construct based powers he let "Kryptonian family powered by two Yellow Suns with a Cult of Personality surrounding them" vs "Will-enabled heroes who can create anything limited only by their imagination" play out... as just what it is. Zod might be different but ultimately is bland story that doesn't offer nothing really interesting to the mythos nor takes advantage of the setting. Something that has been a trend with Venditti. quote:The reason I hate Geoff Johns is the reason I love New Superman. New-Superman isn't just "Another Kryptonian, Amazon, rich kid who lost his parents" etc. Kong Kenan isn't Clark Kent, in fact he was the furthest you could get from him, Wang Baixi isn't rich, he has loving parents, and he's overweight, he's got the intelligence and that's it he was only third place in his class to. Peng Deilan isn't an Amazon, she's not related to divinity, though her story does come from myth, that of the Legend of the White Snake. And their enemies are not just "Chinese Metallo, Chinese Penguin" Even the 'Chinese Joker' Alpaqa isn't anything like the Joker we have, her entire build is within the confines of her story and flavored as such. This is a weird comparison. Johns wasn't writing new characters with similar powers during GL. He was taking old characters and updating them into a more coherent whole. And when he did focused on create new characters with the same powerset, he gave us Simon Baz who is as far as you can get from Hal. quote:The reason I hate Geoff Johns is the same reason when Adam Beechen wrote Batman Beyond and he had a 'Catwoman' show up, and then had Terry joke about how he didn't have a Catwoman before, and oh they have to flirt it's tradition, while also mowing down Terry's actual existing rogues (They all got better under different writers). I just had to roll my eyes, because it had such a fundamental lack of understanding of Batman Beyond, Terry and was literally just bringing in "Villain from Batman's past but a sequel: Oh it's Catwoman and Hush, very original yes?" Again, I fail to see what your point on comparison two completely different situations as if they were similar. Johns run was always taking the basic concepts from GL and reworking them into something new. Hell, his arrival to the title was all about bringing Hal back. Going into it expecting differently when DC and Johns were upfront about their goals is baffling to say the least. quote:It'd take me way too many times to go over every plot hole, every inconsistency, every dumb retcon Geoff Johns ever did during his Green Lantern run, but we could basically start with Parallax and then go with "Everything after Parallax" I'd love to hear about the plot holes and inconsistencies you see on his run. Don't worry about the time, I have plenty of it.
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Don't bury the big news ya chumps.
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Teenage Fansub posted:BC has a JL cover by Jim Cheung and is extrapolating that he's jumping from Marvel to be Scott Snyder's JL artist. I expect a portion of Snyder's check if he puts John and Hawkgirl together.
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Teenage Fansub posted:So, that's Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, Barry Flash, Cyborg, Aquaman, Martian Manhunter, John Stewart GL and Hawkgirl.
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BrianWilly posted:As much as I appreciate the gently caress out of this lineup and what they're going for, it's also undeniably very sausagey. 7-2 ratio here. What women are there that you would slot in that aren't just female versions of male heroes already on the team? Vixen?
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BrianWilly posted:As much as I appreciate the gently caress out of this lineup and what they're going for, it's also undeniably very sausagey. 7-2 ratio here. It's a Justice League Unlimited reunion and I am cool with that, but yea bring on Supergirl, Vixen, Star (from Star and STRIPES) and every other woman character from that show too.
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Actually, either or both of Black Canary and Zatanna would fulfill my criteria and have already been on The Justice League. So I answered my own question and am now pissed off they aren't on the team.
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I'm a bit bummed there isn't an Atom on there now we have both of them in play. Guess I want more boys
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I saw that Cheung cover at DC but they would not answer questions about it. Edit: I have vague details on a major DC project that I was accidentally shown during my visit to the offices and holy poo poo is it eating me alive. Rhyno fucked around with this message at 00:18 on Mar 16, 2018 |
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Rhyno posted:I saw that Cheung cover at DC but they would not answer questions about it. It's ok. You can tell us about the JLA/Avengers reprint that's totally happening. Edit - Trying to think of the most disappointing DC could possibly announce, and all I'm thinking of is another wave of Dark Matter books.
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Skwirl posted:What women are there that you would slot in that aren't just female versions of male heroes already on the team? Vixen? BrianWilly fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Mar 16, 2018 |
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That said, super ironic since I just got back from binging most of JL/JLU and reminding myself "Wow I really liked this show and line-up" EDIT: Wait? Is this irony? Or is it just coincidence?
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Onmi posted:
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good day for a bris posted:Finally got a chance to sit down and read Mr. Miracle last night. They were pretty blatant about referencing the Lump, which leads me to believe this is all a hallucination as Scott breaks free from Darkseid/Granny/Anti-Life, but I felt it was a bit more when Barda asked Scott if he remembered Jacob's Ladder. I know in comic they're referencing a torture device back on Apokolips, but I kept thinking about the movie which had similar themes. As to the question of why New Genesis would follow Scott after his apparent murder of the previous Highfather, the conversation with Forager a few issues back foreshadowed that there was a faction that was willing to follow Scott if he killed and usurped Orion, so presumably everybody fell in line during the time jump. And even though last issue we saw Mister Miracle walk into the throne room and discover Orion already dead, there's enough of an unreliable narrator vibe that strictly speaking we don't know that Scott really didn't kill Orion under the influence of Anti-Life.
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