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I want to say that I don't know why you telegraph your interest like that unless you're trying to deceive other teams, but when I look into my dark heart, I think I know the truth.
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fsif posted:I want to say that I don't know why you telegraph your interest like that, but when I look into my dark heart, I think I know the truth. HOPEFULLY it's a double reverse mind game.
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Diva Cupcake posted:Mayock's positional rankings 2.0 I still don't see why so many people are slotting Minkah as a safety. Saban loved using him as a nickel/box safety but I think he should be being talked about as a permanent corner after his combine. I could easily see him go to a zone team or a team that values the slot more. He just seems wasted as a free safety and overrated as a strong safety. Decent tackler but not a missile and definitely not that great of a technician when he does get tackles. His hips are underrated. I know he most likely didn't do the three cone because he knew he'd be a 7 second guy but it's not like he's a total stiff.
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warcrimes posted:Allen isn't Hackenberg v2.0. He can actually turn into a good QB but needs a lot of work. I wouldn't rank him 2nd but eh. Aw man that's not fair, Hackenberg hasn't even gotten an opportunity to suck yet
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Josh Allen obviously isn't as bad as Hackenberg and it wouldn't completely astonish me if he ended up being a good NFL starter, but NFL scouts do this stupid poo poo seemingly every loving year. They find a tall "raw" guy with middling or limited college success, fall in love with his arm strength, and draft him because you can't teach those physical tools or whatever. Little do they ever consider that maybe they can't teach good mechanics, accuracy, or pocket presence, either! Like I'm preaching to the choir here, but look at these old scouting reports. Blaine Gabbert, Pick 10, 2011 quote:Gabbert has it all physically, but has a long way to go before he's ready to lead an NFL offense EJ Manuel, Pick 16, 2013 quote:As gifted as any quarterback in the class, with a strong arm and good mobility. Scouts appreciate his leadership qualities and toughness (played through his mom's cancer treatments and a broken leg in 2011's Champs Sports Bowl win over Notre Dame), and hope he can improve on his consistency. Manuel has the velocity and mobility teams look for in a project quarterback. Blake Bortles, Pick 3, 2014 (drafted before Bridgewater, Carr, and Garappolo) quote:Possesses ideal size, athletic ability, intangibles and enough arm strength to develop into an upper-echelon quarterback. Is not yet a franchise quarterback, but has all the physical ingredients to become an outstanding NFL starter and his arrow is very clearly ascending. Warrants top-10 consideration. Paxton Lynch, Pick 26, 2016 quote:He knows he has some work to do. On the positive side, Lynch has elite arm talent and athletic ability. What he needs to work on is that he's never been in a huddle, never been under center, and never done a five-step drop let alone a seven-step drop. Josh Allen, Future Pick 3, 2018 quote:Likely be the biggest boom-or-bust quarterback prospect in the draft. Allen's size and arm talent are prototypical for early first-round picks, but it's rare to find a quarterback with such a low college completion rate become a successful pro. Allen's receivers struggled to separate, but there were plenty of times where his lack of anticipation and post-snap plan did him in. Allen can make some truly special throws, but his ability to improve the mental part of his game will determine whether he's a good NFL starter or just another big, strong-armed guy.
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He can't anticipate, throw with timing, or improvise. Pretty big knocks. The only question with him is does he not do that because he isn't capable of doing it or because he hasn't been taught properly. I tend to think that he isn't capable, and previous draft picks like you say tend to bear that out. You can't just force your brain to evaluate and think faster; some guys have it and some guys don't. The fact is that there are three good passers in this draft, the kind of guys that don't come around every year. Rosen, Mayfield and Darnold are the kind of players you watch and it seems pretty clear they could succeed in the NFL. I think those three are still going to end up going before the other including Josh Allen.
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Mar 14, 2018 04:51
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It's begun, spare time watching players I know I'll hate but end up convincing myself this time is different... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XStNSi22sDM
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Mar 14, 2018 11:15
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Doltos, I'll put  on the Giants drafting Quenton Nelson #2 overall
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The dream is dead https://twitter.com/jeffdarlington/status/973996548647473154?s=21
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Argive posted:It's begun, spare time watching players I know I'll hate but end up convincing myself this time is different... That guy's videos are pretty interesting. He convinced me that the solution to Baltimore's wide receiver woes is drafting Jaleel Scott in the 5th round. That's despite Scott dropping every ball that got near him at the senior bowl.
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None of that means anything.
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fsif posted:Josh Allen obviously isn't as bad as Hackenberg and it wouldn't completely astonish me if he ended up being a good NFL starter, but NFL scouts do this stupid poo poo seemingly every loving year. It's an easy trap to fall into. Allen has maybe a 25% chance to work out. But if he does work out he will terrorize the league and make Godzilla his bitch. That's what these scouts fantasize about as they toss and turn thinking about being the guy who brought "the Destroyer" into the league. I'm honestly hoping for Baker Mayfield myself. The Bills need an ACCURATE QB. Accuracy imo is more important than anything else.
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Mar 14, 2018 22:54
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mcmagic posted:None of that means anything. Nah we ain't trading up for him
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pasaluki posted:I'm honestly hoping for Baker Mayfield myself. Agreed on all counts. Brandon Beane on the other hand… https://twitter.com/JoeBuscaglia/status/973613586336624641
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mcmagic posted:None of that means anything. the bears didn't do anything at all with Mitch before surprise drafting him
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fsif posted:Agreed on all counts. Brandon Beane on the other hand… Is Allen even known for his pocket presence?
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pasaluki posted:Is Allen even known for his pocket presence? Only if a pocket is present.
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Imagine wanting Allen over Rosen
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a new study bible! posted:Imagine wanting Allen over Rosen There is SUCH little buzz around Rosen....
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mcmagic posted:There is SUCH little buzz around Rosen.... Clearly a red mark against a draft prospect.
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mcmagic posted:There is SUCH little buzz around Rosen.... It's loving bananas. I can't tell if it's the media trying to drum up interest for the clicks, or if people are actually not interested in him. He's a great prospect what the gently caress.
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I think once the FA frenzy dies down you'll hear more. You hear almost nothing about Darnold either.
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On Bills receivers, I don’t think that group was great, especially with the injuries to Watkins, but are people really saying Robert Woods is not a #1 when he clearly took over that role in LA? He would have easily topped 1k yards with 7TDs or so if he didn’t get injured at the end of the season. Dude was outperforming Watkins consistently.
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MrSargent posted:On Bills receivers, I don’t think that group was great, especially with the injuries to Watkins, but are people really saying Robert Woods is not a #1 when he clearly took over that role in LA? He would have easily topped 1k yards with 7TDs or so if he didn’t get injured at the end of the season. Dude was outperforming Watkins consistently. They had Marquise Goodwin too and he had a very good season with SF and I think his contract was just extended.
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mcmagic posted:None of that means anything. We have dinner with everyone we draft in round 1 lol
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pasaluki posted:It's an easy trap to fall into. Allen has maybe a 25% chance to work out. But if he does work out he will terrorize the league and make Godzilla his bitch. That's what these scouts fantasize about as they toss and turn thinking about being the guy who brought "the Destroyer" into the league. 
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There are concerns about Rosen's durability that seem relatively valid since he's missed a bunch of games the last few years and he's already had a few concussions.
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pasaluki posted:Is Allen even known for his pocket presence? Hot Pockets I'm sure.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Doltos, I'll put Yeah I'll take that bet
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Joe Caporoso (Jets writer) just RT'd this guy, who apparently is an Islanders writer. Not a clue if it's even close to legit, but I've thought about the idea of the Jets trading back and taking Jackson in the past and it makes some sense I think. https://twitter.com/JCapGLJ/status/974019217992364032
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Teddy+Lamar4Life With a little heart through it.
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Diva Cupcake posted:Teddy+Lamar4Life I honestly don't know how to filter the info I read on Jackson. I have seen people say he is the best prospect in this draft, and others who think he should be a day 2 or 3 guy like Rudolph. His athleticism and arm are unbelievable, but his accuracy is concerning, etc. What are the takes on him here?
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Professor Funk posted:I honestly don't know how to filter the info I read on Jackson. I have seen people say he is the best prospect in this draft, and others who think he should be a day 2 or 3 guy like Rudolph. His athleticism and arm are unbelievable, but his accuracy is concerning, etc. He's talented and will probably be fun to watch and I hope he doesn't get broken in half before his rookie deal is up.
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I think Lamar's upside is the best quarterback in the NFL, provided you correctly factor in rushing contributions.
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Plus this from Breer. They're doing their homework. https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/03/15/kirk-cousins-contract-quarterbacks-guaranteed-money-mmqb quote:A few months back, the idea for 2017 was to strip down the team, rely on young guys, and get a Top 2 or 3 pick to spend on a quarterback. And this wasn’t just on paper, either. At the urging of ownership, the Jets’ personnel department sunk an absolute ton of resources into kicking the tires on all the college quarterbacks last fall. New York had a scout at just about every UCLA, USC, Wyoming, Oklahoma and Louisville game in 2017, and did all the background you can imagine on Josh Rosen, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield and Lamar Jackson. https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/970781835390267392
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I will always be wrong on running QB's like Jackson but I would never draft any of them. I'm not convinced he can win from the pocket or that he can stay healthy.
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mcmagic posted:I will always be wrong on running QB's like Jackson but I would never draft any of them. I'm not convinced he can win from the pocket or that he can stay healthy. He ran more of a pro offense than Rosen or those other guys. And if he can survive his Louisville linemen nothing can stop him
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mcmagic posted:I will always be wrong on running QB's like Jackson but I would never draft any of them. I'm not convinced he can win from the pocket or that he can stay healthy. Have you watched a single second of Lamar Jackson?
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swickles posted:Have you watched a single second of Lamar Jackson? Yes. Raku posted:He ran more of a pro offense than Rosen or those other guys. And if he can survive his Louisville linemen nothing can stop him He still was an impact player because of his legs much more than his arm.
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Raku posted:And if he can survive his Louisville linemen nothing can stop him Hits land harder in the pros. You couple that with contact he doesn't mind taking in the open field with his body type and it's something to worry about.
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