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Two Feet From Bread posted:The right is actually defending civil rights and trying to expand them. ahahaha, this sentence alone is enough to justify that avatar and title
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Two Feet From Bread posted:Really? Democrats would have botched NK instead of getting them peacefully brought to the negotiation table for the first time in 10 years. Each thing you are saying here is factually incorrect.
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Mar 11, 2018 03:14
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National debt is way, waaaay up, a whopping 13% of market growth has actually been seen by common citizens, and 11 net-beneficial trading partners are now courting the Chinese. South Korea, under steel tarrif and a total lack of assistance with multilateral support, has to bend the knee before China and NK. There is no meaningful action for dying people, Christians and Muslims alike, in Syria. Carrier ultimately offshored more jobs. Jeff Sessions let a Chinese/Qatar tech exfiltration scam get away with stealing F35 radar tech scot-free. The tax reform law is a glitched shitwad of paper that is already pushing common people into debt for their 2018 filings. Trump openly brags about mostly passing a common senility test, the State Department has left Mattis to pick up the slack with a military that has traditionally eagerly worked with our foreign service offices to know who is who and proactively solve small problems, the White House is now hilariously being staffed by people openly hostile to Trump because only the worst and most desperate talent will even consider working there, it turns out the daily White House insider leakers of 2017 were pretty much all the senior staff trying to stab each other in the back, we've disassembled or stalled our efforts to improve federal information security standards, our nation is mocked on the world stage, Trump doesn't know the difference between a Peacekeeper and a Trident, half the White House failed security clearance checks because they're either vulnerable to blackmail, ex-wifebeaters, or genuine foreign agents, we can't appoint a minor federal position without going through a few people who retract their candidacy because they've lied on their resume, and rust belt state economics are continuing to tank because people want to trade education for low taxes in a race to the bottom to ensure that the next generation of conservatives is even less capable than the last.
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Mar 11, 2018 03:40
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Trump, serial bankruptcy business failure, also hosed and paid off a pornstar, too.
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Mar 11, 2018 03:40
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But hey, DOW is up largely thanks to a PAY TO PLAY sale of weapons to the Saudis and companies buying back stock like loving crazy to cash a tax cut check riding on the backs of our citizens: a thank-you monster dividend earned without actually increasing productivity above Obama rates. At least your probably-underfunded retirement looks good on paper.
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Mar 11, 2018 03:47
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https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/972482238737797120 oh wow centrists blasting right past their "lesser of two evils" rhetoric and cheering the greater evil and pretending the lesser one (tina smith (D)) doesn't exist turns out "lesser of two evils" rhetoric is just convenient bs to cover for supporting evil! https://twitter.com/ericgarland/status/971513418061631488 Condiv fucked around with this message at 13:35 on Mar 11, 2018 |
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Mar 11, 2018 13:29
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Takeaway from this is establishment Democrats are really, really loving mad about Franken being forced to resign.
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Mar 11, 2018 15:52
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Eric Garland is an idiot that thinks Russian interference is behind every corner. He's now of course implying that Corbyn is on the Russian payroll. He doesn't have any actual ideology that I can figure out past getting paid and freaking out about Red Scare 2018. Also the most telling tweet replying to him is the guy saying he's a "Bill Clinton Liberal and Reagan Conservative." It makes sense that sort of person would be really mad a Democrat would be brought down by a sex scandal. Democratic centrists absolutely are showing they don't care about any leftist values since they think they can fool people into believing there are "good" Republicans which are much more ideologically close to their real beliefs of economic conservatism and only pretending to care about anything socially liberal. It's not Charlie Brown missing the football, he's giving Lucy the plays on how to do it. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Mar 11, 2018 |
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Mar 11, 2018 16:56
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i just learned that the meager raise i've been working towards for 4 years has been cancelled thanks to the "lesser" evil, macron. thanks macron, i'm sure that will help motivate non-nazis to vote for you.
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Mar 15, 2018 16:56
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Condiv posted:i just learned that the meager raise i've been working towards for 4 years has been cancelled thanks to the "lesser" evil, macron. thanks macron, i'm sure that will help motivate non-nazis to vote for you. Saying this out loud to people, how often would you say the reaction you get is "at least it's not the other guys!" ?
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Mar 15, 2018 18:48
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phasmid posted:Saying this out loud to people, how often would you say the reaction you get is "at least it's not the other guys!" ? well, the other people i work with have all lost their raises, and they also hate macron. so not as much as you'd think
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Mar 15, 2018 18:52
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Condiv posted:well, the other people i work with have all lost their raises, and they also hate macron. so not as much as you'd think Goddamn. I'm sorry. It seems like the world over we're having this problem, unelectable people with zero interest in making things better for anyone but themselves. On an upshot, China has gracefully sidestepped this problem by going back to having one guy just be in power forever.
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Mar 15, 2018 18:56
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Condiv posted:i just learned that the meager raise i've been working towards for 4 years has been cancelled thanks to the "lesser" evil, macron. thanks macron, i'm sure that will help motivate non-nazis to vote for you. Huh, what did the fucker do?
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Mar 15, 2018 19:53
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So the DCCC has been doing everything in their power to keep anyone on the left from getting through the primaries but who are they clearing the field for in the Red to Blue plan? Oh just a few good old fashioned CIA operatives, kill team leaders, and torture supervisors. https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/03/13/pers-m13.html#pk_campaign=sidebar&pk_kwd=mostread quote:In a three-part series published last week, the World Socialist Web Site documented an unprecedented influx of intelligence and military operatives into the Democratic Party. More than 50 such military-intelligence candidates are seeking the Democratic nomination in the 102 districts identified by the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee as its targets for 2018. These include both vacant seats and those with Republican incumbents considered vulnerable in the event of a significant swing to the Democrats. You can't really argue that this is the lesser evil at this point. If you live in a district where one of these military intelligence officers is running against some lovely car dealership owner, isn't the lesser evil the moron who just wants to rob you over the guy that wants to electrocute your balls for suspected ties to Islam? Even assuming that that Republican also wants to torture gay people, isn't it worse to have two parties that agree that we should be black bagging people but disagree on the reasons? I mean holy poo poo I can't imagine a worse future scenario than one party in our country being taken over by a white nationalist movement calling for a white ethnostate and the other being taken over by amoral but extremely competent military intelligence officers.
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Mar 15, 2018 19:56
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I'd be sympathetic to the proposition that if you want positive change, you must change the Democratic Party from within, and always support its candidates. But the people telling us we have a moral duty to vote straight-ticket Dem are the same ones who scream bloody murder when anyone actually tries to pull candidates to the left. It's possible to get centrist Dem candidates to commit to more leftist policy positions through public pressure, but this is "purity testing" apparently.
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Mar 15, 2018 20:12
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Iron Twinkie posted:extremely competent military intelligence officers.  Intel is a dumping ground for morons.
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Mar 15, 2018 20:34
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Rent-A-Cop posted:
I should have been more clear. I meant in the sense of years of experience being normalized to and running a bureaucracy centered around subverting, dehumanizing, torturing, and killing people.
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Mar 15, 2018 20:46
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Iron Twinkie posted:I should have been more clear. I meant in the sense of years of experience being normalized to and running a bureaucracy centered around subverting, dehumanizing, torturing, and killing people.
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Mar 15, 2018 20:53
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I'm glad the man black-bagging me and bashing my head against a wall until I go blind might be a fellow gay man, big step forward for our LGBT community thanks to the new Democrats.
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Mar 15, 2018 21:02
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Flowers For Algeria posted:Huh, what did the fucker do? apparently halted raises for public workers, or at least people in the cnrs.
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Mar 15, 2018 21:31
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Condiv posted:apparently halted raises for public workers, or at least people in the cnrs. Oh right. Yeah, that's been the norm for the past ten years, unfortunately. I'll be going on strike on the 22nd against that, and many other things that are going to poo poo in the public sector
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Mar 15, 2018 22:16
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Flowers For Algeria posted:Oh right. Yeah, that's been the norm for the past ten years, unfortunately. apparently raises were unfrozen during hollande, but yeah sarkozy did it for a long time. and macron can't help but being a right wing shithead cause that's what centrist means
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Mar 15, 2018 22:44
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Well if you didn't want things this bad then you guys should have voted for Hollande. 
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Flowers For Algeria posted:Oh right. Yeah, that's been the norm for the past ten years, unfortunately. i guess i'm going on strike the 22nd too then. though oddly enough i haven't seen it posted up in my building recently (unlike other strikes). i'll ask my coworker, she's communist
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Mar 15, 2018 22:58
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Iron Twinkie posted:So the DCCC has been doing everything in their power to keep anyone on the left from getting through the primaries but who are they clearing the field for in the Red to Blue plan? Oh just a few good old fashioned CIA operatives, kill team leaders, and torture supervisors.
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Mar 16, 2018 08:11
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Kilroy posted:Do we have any idea how well these ghouls are expected to do in their primaries? Any polling? Not that I have seen. Though I would hope considering how badly Hillary did in areas that had higher casualty rates from our eight current wars that some NCOs and CIA types running on throwing more of their friends and family into an industrial shredder will land like a we thud. By 2020 we'll be shipping kids born after 9/11 back in in flag draped caskets. My fear is that from the weight of money and institution that on average enough of these candidates will make it through the primaries to form a power block and that they'll get into office regardless because some sort pendulum swing away from the Republican party as it becomes clear that their bullshit promises about making people's lives better are still bullshit.
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Mar 16, 2018 15:42
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I keep getting mailers for the Democratic candidate in my district, Roger Dean Huffstetler. The first one said "Vote for me if you're reading to stand up to Trump," on the back. On the inside, "Veteran, Businessman, My Wife's An OBGYN" and literally nothing about his policies. The second one is better but still bad: The back is a photo of Tom Garrett palling around with Jason Kessler, and the inside is the same "Veteran, Businessman, I'm Subtly Implying I'm A Feminist But I'm Too Chickenshit To Just Say I'm a Feminist" with some stuff about opposing the pipelines and supporting abortion rights. I'm not voting for any more of these Rahmbots. I don't care if they're running against an ED-209 with Hitler's brain in it. I'll vote for their primary opponent, I'll write in their primary opponent, I'll write in "Medicare For All." To anyone who will say I'm doing this out of spite: Yes.
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Mar 16, 2018 16:01
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Halloween Jack posted:To anyone who will say I'm doing this out of spite: Yes.
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Mar 16, 2018 18:59
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It's okay as an individual-level personal decision about whether the bad points of a candidate outweigh the benefit of keeping the Republican out. The problem is that it's been cynically adopted as a party strategy that Democrats can gently caress voters over as much as they want, as long as they do it 2% less than Republicans they will still win. This is bad for 2 reasons, (1) it's ineffective, lesser-evilism is a personal threshold that is different for every voter and you can't Jedi mind-meld hundreds of millions of people into changing their values, so the worse you are on say gay rights or poverty, the fewer gay people or poor people will vote for you to screw them over, that is just an unavoidable fact, and (2) it abandons any morality and social responsibility in favor of greed and short-term gain, a party operating on the lesser-evil strategy is no longer trying to do the right thing or improve the country, it's just trying to get away with stripping the copper out of the walls as long as it can, so ultimately lesser-evilism as a party-level strategy can only ever make the country worse.
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It's really stupid. Every time Trump comes out with some stupid idea that we all assumed everyone disagreed with that idea suddenly surges in popularity from making all immigration harder to arming teachers. Lesser evilism assumes that politicians have to do the lovely things they do because the public demands it so we might as well pick the least bad option. In actuality the public believes many things are right or wrong because they think it's the reality as set by politicians. If the Democrats strongly came out in favor of something, that would become more favored by Democratic voters. Instead they want to lead from behind on almost every issue creating these decisions where we have to choose the least bad candidate instead of ones we are strongly invested in supporting. Then the individual voter is asked to make the moral decision where if they don't vote against Republicans, those Republicans will do bad things. It's good cop bad cop but on an electoral level and all the ethical decisions seemed to be thrust on voters instead of the politicians that for instance didn't vote in favor of DACA when they had the chance or just decided to roll back banking regulations as the request of almost no one. There's a severe lack of agency where lovely Red State Democrats HAVE to vote like assholes because their constituents supposedly demand it and need to be defended from criticism but if some person stays home he or she is directly responsible for all evils Republicans enact. It's very callous and disgusting hostage taking while also grossly misplacing the blame of government actions. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Mar 16, 2018 |
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Mar 16, 2018 19:14
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Dems know that what politicians say affects what people believe, that's why they defend horrifically unpopular poo poo like deregulating banks, safe in the knowledge that partisans will twist themselves up in knots defending it until they start to believe it. They know pushing say Medicare-4-All would make it more popular and would only help them electorally, they don't do it because they're paid not to. Notice the Dems positioning themselves to run in 2020 are getting on board with it because they see it as the only way to win, whereas career Democratic senators aren't because they plan to vote against it and don't want to increase its popularity in their state before they do so.
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Mar 16, 2018 19:59
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thanks pelosi for driving home the point that voting for the lesser of two evils is a trap that makes sure you'll only ever get to choose between evil and evil oh, and also for making it clear how contemptuous you are of the basic idea of democracy
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Apr 27, 2018 10:15
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Condiv posted:thanks pelosi for driving home the point that voting for the lesser of two evils is a trap that makes sure you'll only ever get to choose between evil and evil As opposed to not voting for the lesser of two evils, which is a trap that makes sure you'll only ever get to choose between evil and evil while the worst one runs the country.
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Apr 27, 2018 10:22
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Spanish Matlock posted:As opposed to not voting for the lesser of two evils, which is a trap that makes sure you'll only ever get to choose between evil and evil while the worst one runs the country. voting for someone trying to deprive you of choice is a fools errand. vote for a third party, vote for someone else or something else, but don't vote for someone who will immediately turn around and use the power you gave them to prevent you from having any choice in the future. only vote for dems that you can stomach and who will help you Basically, let the bad dems like pelosi, Jones, manchin, Schumer, etc be purged at all costs, and vote for good dems who actually represent you. Otherwise you’re just giving power to an elite who will never let anything get better. Condiv fucked around with this message at 10:53 on Apr 27, 2018 |
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Apr 27, 2018 10:45
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Guys, between centrism and Trump, I choose to abandon any sense of responsibility every time Who'd have thunk that Joy Ann Reid being a shitlord is morally equivalent to ICE internment camps?
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Apr 28, 2018 22:10
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you mean the ICE interment camps obama escalated? funny how every bad thing trump seems to accomplish is a bipartisan goal of both parties
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Apr 28, 2018 22:29
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Potato Salad posted:Guys, between centrism and Trump, I choose to abandon any sense of responsibility every time how is voting for people who try to tear down democracy any chance they get having any sense of responsibility potato salad?
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Apr 28, 2018 22:52
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seems awfully irresponsible to me to vote for oligarchs who want to drive the last few nails into the coffin of democracy in america
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Apr 28, 2018 22:54
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Potato Salad posted:Guys, between centrism and Trump, I choose to abandon any sense of responsibility every time They're both bad, one being worse doesn't make the other good
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Democrats are nothing more than socially liberal republicans, and that is being charitable. They're still right-wing as gently caress.
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