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SocketWrench posted:Say you own a yard, and some person or group of people take it upon themselves to stand in your yard and protest. When your request for them to leave gets the middle finger in return, what is the next step? What do you find would be the appropriate measure to remove them from your property? Oh my loving god VitalSigns posted:If a gang of people were bound and determined to follow me around annoying me forever, I would expect the cop to exhaust every possible means of nonviolent conflict resolution to get them to leave without violence, this cop didn't. Yes if the situation were sufficiently ridiculous and the annoying gang sufficiently determined and irrational the police might eventually have no option but to use force to resolve a situation that cannot be resolved in any other way. I even put a caveat in my OP "barring some absurd situation" to prevent exactly this kind of "well what if the blacks just occupy your yard for no reason and can't be dealt with rationally what then" Randian theorizing over when we can brutalize people in imaginary situations that have nothing to do with the incident in question, and it happened anyway 
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mdemone posted:But seriously did anyone ever admit/confirm/speculate what was on the missing 17 minutes of Nixon? Apparently it was 18.5 minutes, and "Haldeman's notes from the meeting show that among the topics of discussion were the arrests at the Watergate Hotel." But I don't think anyone knows and both Nixon and Hadelman, who were the ones talking during the gap, are long dead. Given they didn't erase the "smoking gun" tape though, it had to have been baaaaaaaaaad.
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Mar 15, 2018 21:20
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boner confessor posted:somewhere hosed up listening to the tape and recorded over it due to old people fumble fingers My favourite anecdote from 'Slow Burn' is about how the Nixon camp wanted like, the literal oldest guy in congress with famously bad hearing to be the one to transcribe them--alone that is some hilariously brazen poo poo I don't mean to derail with Nixonchat, it's just that these Mueller info drops and whatnot really put Watergate in interesting relief and make me wonder how the Trump camp is acting given that there's some degree of precedence for these things. like, how is their thinking not just: "do the exact opposite of how Watergate was handled"
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Mar 15, 2018 21:20
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VitalSigns posted:Oh my loving god This is the thing about arguing with idiots....
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Mar 15, 2018 21:21
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18.5 minutes of nixon drunkenly mumbling to himself as he fills and drains a scotch glass every five minutes
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Mar 15, 2018 21:21
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VitalSigns posted:Oh my loving god It's almost like that dude is going to ridiculous lengths to try to justify why a black person deserved to be assaulted.
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Mar 15, 2018 21:22
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Boris Galerkin posted:Are your coworkers actually Korean, as in born in Korea and moved to the US? If not, it’s really loving rude to just assume that they speak Korean. Maybe just ask them ‘do you speak Korean’ and don’t assume that they do.
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Mar 15, 2018 21:23
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https://twitter.com/ThatElJefe/status/974085550251692032 https://twitter.com/anitakumar01/status/974363621496061952 
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Mar 15, 2018 21:23
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https://twitter.com/ashleyfeinberg/status/974378994282979328 Because he's a big boy who did big crimes
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Mar 15, 2018 21:24
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Koyaanisgoatse posted:like how Hillary bleached her emails once she got subpoenaed???
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Koalas March posted:It's almost like that dude is going to ridiculous lengths to try to justify why a black person deserved to be assaulted. Really is continually appalling the lengths people will go to corncobbing themselves with racism denial. I fully acknowledge my whiteness and suburban upbringing instilled me with some racist instincts and realize it biases my point of view. Truly is amazing how unwilling my fellow travelers are in realizing said same, every time.
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Mar 15, 2018 21:25
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Vladimir Putin posted:Maybe just ask them ‘do you speak Korean’ and don’t assume that they do. I've been here seven years, i know who speaks Korean and who doesn't
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Mar 15, 2018 21:25
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i have severe doubts this will be successful but it's a nice try
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Mar 15, 2018 21:26
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https://twitter.com/brownblaze/status/974369816046809088 https://twitter.com/brownblaze/status/974373130771750912 https://twitter.com/brownblaze/status/974377903038148608
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Mar 15, 2018 21:27
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evilweasel posted:Apparently it was 18.5 minutes, and "Haldeman's notes from the meeting show that among the topics of discussion were the arrests at the Watergate Hotel." Giancana, Nixon, Castro, the CIA, the Russians, and LBJ all teamed up to kill Kennedy.
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Mar 15, 2018 21:27
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I hope the wrongful death lawsuits behind this break that piece of poo poo.
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Phlag posted:Another round of firings is expected by the end of the week. I guess Trump might make his Saturday Night Massacre happen on Friday - great way to shave a day off of his impeachment speed run. So, before we get started, I'd just like to introduce the couch. Behind we we've got Termimuller and @FormerBu, both of whom have really been instrumental in discovering a lot of the tech that is going to make this speed run possible. They're really great guys. Just tremendous. The first thing you'll notice here is that I am starting with the goal of an two-term presidency, this is really just for thematics. It doesn't affect gameplay, since we use the ingame timer for impeachment, counting from the most recent election, rather than the first one. Sort of a fun fact for you, but the world record holder, trickydick74, actually had a full first term run ahead of his successful impeachment run. A lot of people sort of forget that, which is sad, because he had some crazy strats in that run, including a collusion attempt with the Vietnamese government that serves as part of the basis for today's run. Until Nixon, it was thought that the best way to play the early game was to just sort of wait, and a lot of players still do that. BRock, for example, just sort of breezed through the election times in his runs, hoping that by running at high difficulty with a particularly offensive create-a-character model would do the trick, but it really hasn't proven all that effective. BCBJ had a neat strategy of rumor mongering, but to be honest that causes a lot of soft-lock problems, to the point that his girlfriend can't even play the game anymore. What was really innovative about our new strategy is that we took the collusion aspects from Nixon's first term, and we've melded them with the super-effective watergate tech to create a hybrid that should cut down our time relatively easy. Now, normally, this wouldn't work at all, you'd softlock the game before you ever get started, but due to a glitch in the way the electoral system works, you don't actually have to win the popular vote at all. How crazy is that? Now that we're in the presidency, let's talk nepotism...
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DaveWoo posted:Finally, John Oliver's time to shine You can't fire the entire government, Janet! You just can't!
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Mar 15, 2018 21:30
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Koalas March posted:It's almost like that dude is going to ridiculous lengths to try to justify why a black person deserved to be assaulted. It's like when you tell a Libertarian it's not okay to shoot a child for cutting across his (it's always his) lawn. Get ready for an adventure into fantastical scenarios about a gang of children taking advantage of your weakness to maliciously crisscross your lawn every hour of the day, and also instead of grass you're growing food, and also winter is almost upon us and the stores are empty so that food is the difference between life and death, and also you're too far away to stop them and the only thing standing between your family and a slow agonizing death from starvation is your 0.762-caliber fully-automatic belt-fed M60 conveniently aimed at your precious lawn with only a split-second to save your crops!
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VH4Ever posted:Really is continually appalling the lengths people will go to corncobbing themselves with racism denial. I fully acknowledge my whiteness and suburban upbringing instilled me with some racist instincts and realize it biases my point of view. Truly is amazing how unwilling my fellow travelers are in realizing said same, every time. This is why it's bad to teach people that racism is all burning crosses and screaming friend of the family at the top of their lungs. They assume anything less than that don't cut it and their own prejudices lead them to believe that it's obviously not racism, so obviously the black people are at fault.
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Trump finally imposing the sanctions on Russia today HAS to be a measure to try to save his own rear end once he heard about the Mueller subpoena, right?
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Your Taint posted:Trump finally imposing the sanctions on Russia today HAS to be a measure to try to save his own rear end once he heard about the Mueller subpoena, right? Not necessarily. Someone could have convinced him how important it was to show solidarity with the UK, and gotten it to stick for long enough to make that announcement. He's probably forgotten by now.
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Mar 15, 2018 21:34
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VH4Ever posted:I hope the wrongful death lawsuits behind this break that piece of poo poo. God drat, all the evil and shady poo poo you can think of is literally within 6 degrees of Trump.
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Mar 15, 2018 21:34
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VitalSigns posted:Oh my loving god I apologize. I reread it and I think I started to get annoyed with the fact you think this issue revolves around a race of people or it being some ridiculous event that requires people to be removed. This happens all the time. It's a common thing. People are escorted off properties for multiple reasons in multiple ways. quote:
But it doesn't have to be absurd or "the blacks". The only one here hooked up on race is you, and you should probably knock that poo poo off. Case in point an ex coworker of mine was banned from returning to company property. He did anyways to protest his unfair dismissal. He refused to leave so the boss called the cops and had him forcibly removed. It wasn't a race issue, it wasn't some absurd issue.
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VitalSigns posted:It's like when you tell a Libertarian it's not okay to shoot a child for cutting across his (it's always his) lawn. 7.62mm .762 caliber would be loving huge, like almost a 20mm cannon
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Caros posted:Politics GDQ A+ 
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Koalas March posted:This is why it's bad to teach people that racism is all burning crosses and screaming friend of the family at the top of their lungs. They assume anything less than that don't cut it and their own prejudices lead them to believe that it's obviously not racism, so obviously the black people are at fault. As an aside, I've gotten this far but I do feel, well generally naturally lazy (like in all facets of my life, I am a goon after all) and unsure of how I can add to my own knowledge base on race issues. I want to do better. I will only throw the question out to the thread, not at anyone in particular: anything good I can read to further expand my horizons into the world US POC have to live in? EDIT VitalSigns posted:It's like when you tell a Libertarian it's not okay to shoot a child for cutting across his (it's always his) lawn. Always amuses me how "don't be a dick" defuses literally every Lolbertarian argument.
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Your Taint posted:Trump finally imposing the sanctions on Russia today HAS to be a measure to try to save his own rear end once he heard about the Mueller subpoena, right? he did sanctions on Russians, not Russia
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Poque posted:he did sanctions on Russians, not Russia Still. It seems awfully coincidental, like something he can point to and say "see? I'm tough on Russia!" when the knows there's probably some bad poo poo regarding Russia that Mueller will find.
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Poque posted:he did sanctions on Russians, not Russia sanctions on russians, not russia, is good (if they're strong, and targeted at putin's oligarchs)
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Koalas March posted:It's almost like that dude is going to ridiculous lengths to try to justify why a black person deserved to be assaulted. My issue wasn't with race, my issue was with the claim that using force to remove someone is not an answer.
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Fly Molo posted:7.62mm Lol yes of course
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Your Taint posted:Trump finally imposing the sanctions on Russia today HAS to be a measure to try to save his own rear end once he heard about the Mueller subpoena, right? The times article reported the subpoena was several weeks ago, wouldn't he have known about it by now? e: though its plausible to announce them this morning and get ahead of the subpoena report if they knew it was dropping I suppose Johnny Bravo fucked around with this message at 21:45 on Mar 15, 2018 |
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Your Taint posted:Still. It seems awfully coincidental, like something he can point to and say "see? I'm tough on Russia!" when the knows there's probably some bad poo poo regarding Russia that Mueller will find. I guess but iirc 13 of 19 were people indicted by Mueller so he can't claim that Mueller should go when he's following up on his results
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GreyjoyBastard posted:this happens way too hilariously often If the fuckface dems that helped passed this tripe, just in the hope that the house wouldn't find it evil enough, still need to primaried/removed from office because they're poo poo.
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SocketWrench posted:I apologize. I reread it and I think I started to get annoyed with the fact you think this issue revolves around a race of people or it being some ridiculous event that requires people to be removed. except this was clearly about race and most people here realize this. don't tell people to knock poo poo off when you're this dumb.
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SocketWrench posted:But it doesn't have to be absurd or "the blacks". The only one here hooked up on race is you, and you should probably knock that poo poo off. STOP
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botany posted:except this was clearly about race and most people here realize this. don't tell people to knock poo poo off when you're this dumb. SocketWrench was addressing one very specific part of what VitalSigns said pages ago, and the depths of pedantry knows no bounds.
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Caros posted:So, before we get started, I'd just like to introduce the couch. Behind we we've got Termimuller and @FormerBu, both of whom have really been instrumental in discovering a lot of the tech that is going to make this speed run possible. They're really great guys. Just tremendous. 
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botany posted:except this was clearly about race and most people here realize this. don't tell people to knock poo poo off when you're this dumb. The vid, yes. Which was then pointed out force should not be used to remove anyone from properties, to which I objected and it's been a constant circle of trying to make me this evil racist cop defender since
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