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Mr Hootington posted:They are the GOP. I thought this was USPOL, not PYF Political Fanfiction.
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Radish posted:
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Chucktesla posted:There were things in the dodd frank repeal that were good for credit unions and small banks I know this because the president of my credit union sent out an email asking account owners to support the dodd frank repeal. How about that, libtards Well, I mean, there were, it's just that even then the societal cost of reduced reporting requirements outweighs the modest savings in compliance spending.
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Mar 15, 2018 19:33
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Mr Hootington posted:They are the GOP. this is the biggest load of horseshit holy lol
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Mar 15, 2018 19:38
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Raskolnikov38 posted:this is the biggest load of horseshit holy lol I know the “employ Boomers as low-cost coerced child card drones” is the one attracting all the attention but I personally really like the “allow conservative states with low COL to have lower minimum wages and make races to the bottom even worse” concept.
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Mar 15, 2018 19:41
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Like the first idiot that tries to pull that list of over complicated consultant driven trash in public is going to pull a Jeb and look sad saying "please clap." They are desperately trying to thread this needle of making something that is great for their donors but the public and specifically their base doesn't hate and there really just is no answer to that. It's Obamacare all over again where if they get around to even implementing it, it will be picked apart in the courts, state governments, and eventually by whatever Republican gets elected in 2024.Lightning Knight posted:I know the “employ Boomers as low-cost coerced child card drones” is the one attracting all the attention but I personally really like the “allow conservative states with low COL to have lower minimum wages and make races to the bottom even worse” concept. Red State voters desperately want lower pay.
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Mr Hootington posted:They are the GOP. the only one that actively worries me is 5 the rest are perfectly adequate incremental improvements I was actually expecting significantly worse. If this is where the right wing end of the Democratic Party winds up landing, that'd be just fine by me. Lightning Knight posted:I know the “employ Boomers as low-cost coerced child card drones” is the one attracting all the attention but I personally really like the “allow conservative states with low COL to have lower minimum wages and make races to the bottom even worse” concept. oh i'm dumb i didn't look at the numbers top-end minimum wage of $12.55 is... i'm gonna go with "bad" Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Mar 15, 2018 |
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Mar 15, 2018 19:49
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GreyjoyBastard posted:the only one that actively worries me is 5  
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Mar 15, 2018 19:51
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If you just read the line items and not the actual text of their ideas, I can see people viewing them as being progressive ideas. But then you read some of the details and all of the ideas are terrible and not as left leaning as they are trying to pretend to be.
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numbers on the boomer thing are stupid too now that I bother to not-skim, I just went "oh, I like the idea of a New WPA" 12k stipend/year for 20 hours? loving really? Zil posted:If you just read the line items and not the actual text of their ideas, I can see people viewing them as being progressive ideas. But then you read some of the details and all of the ideas are terrible and not as left leaning as they are trying to pretend to be. hey now, I read some of the mushy feelgood text too
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GreyjoyBastard posted:numbers on the boomer thing are stupid too now that I bother to not-skim, I just went "oh, I like the idea of a New WPA" Zil posted:If you just read the line items and not the actual text of their ideas, I can see people viewing them as being progressive ideas. But then you read some of the details and all of the ideas are terrible and not as left leaning as they are trying to pretend to be. This is pretty much the problem. Some of it seems ok and then you keep reading and you either don’t know enough to know why it’s bad or you realize how bad it really is.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:the only one that actively worries me is 5 Jesus loving Christ, Greyjoy 
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GreyjoyBastard posted:the only one that actively worries me is 5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i3zrzyLOCw
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if i post about a policy proposal without reading the details, I deserve the scorn at least as much as the people I routinely diss for doing the same thing 
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GreyjoyBastard posted:if i post about a policy proposal without reading the details, I deserve the scorn at least as much as the people I routinely diss for doing the same thing Skim center right policy proposals to own the libs.
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For what it's worth I don't think ThirdWay is a think tank in the same good graces as it used to be, which probably doesn't matter all that much if its proposals snake their way into the arms of Democratic leadership anyway.
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Office Pig posted:For what it's worth I don't think ThirdWay is a think tank in the same good graces as it used to be, which probably doesn't matter all that much if its proposals snake their way into the arms of Democratic leadership anyway. In terms of platform proposals, Senate Dems have already committed to something to the left of this plan in the form of the Better Deal ideas. I think we’ll have to wait for 2020 to see if it makes it into presidential platforms.
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Mar 15, 2018 20:48
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Eh, "work the olds to death" isn't the worst idea I've ever heard, considering who the olds actually are. It's a terrible platform, of course, but if a candidate ran on jump-starting the economy via the forced labor of the generation that tanked it in the first place, they'd probably get my vote. All else being equal.
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You guys laugh but I know real life bona fide “smart people” who would love this. Same group of people think doubling the EITC should be enough to pull all the poors out of the most dire poverty. Third Way’s shuffling of deck chairs panders towards the NPR/pod save america demographic, not people with a brain.
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Kilroy posted:Eh, "work the olds to death" isn't the worst idea I've ever heard, considering who the olds actually are. It's a terrible platform, of course, but if a candidate ran on jump-starting the economy via the forced labor of the generation that tanked it in the first place, they'd probably get my vote. All else being equal. I loving hate the boomers but it's morally wrong to work them to death. Just seize the wealth of the top 5% in graduated increments. Trailer parks are cheap. Also did y'all miss them exempting the first 15k of income from Social Security, thus allowing the GOP to run against it on the platform that the drat lazy poors aren't even contributing to their own retirement? What a bunch of maroons.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:I loving hate the boomers but it's morally wrong to work them to death. Just seize the wealth of the top 5% in graduated increments. Trailer parks are cheap.
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It's morally wrong to work people to death, everyone. Not sure about boomers though.
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VitalSigns posted:It's morally wrong to work people to death, everyone. Let's find out if Boomers are people...*gets out his calipers*
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Mar 15, 2018 22:22
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Not all boomers are greedy old white people rubbing their hands boomerly while plotting the immiseration of their children
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Instead of working Boomers to death, we should just make them take critical theory courses and gender studies for the rest of their lives. They’ll either become woke and educated or die trying! 
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Seems like the idea is to get Boomers doing something with their days other than staying in their jobs and refusing to retire and let anyone else replace them in the workforce. Sounds a lot like basically make-work, but it's deliberately mealy-mouthed so hard to tell.
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Inescapable Duck posted:Seems like the idea is to get Boomers doing something with their days other than staying in their jobs and refusing to retire and let anyone else replace them in the workforce. Sounds a lot like basically make-work, but it's deliberately mealy-mouthed so hard to tell. Yeah I should say, the core concept of trying to help older people do something productive and happy in retirement is actually not bad. The problem is that we all know what they actually want is cheap workers to throw in the child care sector, and they aren’t prioritizing empathetic solutions for everyone involved. It’s a feel-good idea that sounds reasonable hiding a nasty exploitative core.
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Lol at institutionalizing the unpaid internship scam across the entire economy. Also lol at higher education reform that doesn't touch tuition levels.
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Let's make the job market even worse for people entering it for the first time! Surely everyone will love this! ...why are you putting up scaffolding in the square?
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Peven Stan posted:Not all boomers are greedy old white people rubbing their hands boomerly while plotting the immiseration of their children Just the ones that vote
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Those policy proposals are all so, so terrible. I especially like the broadband one, because we tried that back in the 90s in the exact same way and it failed.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:12k stipend/year for 20 hours? loving really? Might as well just go to grad school at that point.
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Lightning Knight posted:Skim center right policy proposals to own the libs. I've believed for a while that at least part* of the misunderstanding that prompts these intraleft online arguments is related to some people who are either young or recently became politically engaged being genuinely confused at the cynicism displayed by others, who default to a negative assumption about these things. I can understand how, to such a person, it probably looks like others are just being super negative for no reason; after all, if you're coming at things blindly it makes sense to assume the best and wait and see if the policy/candidate in question delivers significant improvements. But that negative assumption actually makes more sense when you historically contextualize things and realize that optimism becomes stupidity when you keep applying it to the same people who have been failing to deliver substantial change for decades, particularly when you consider that many of the people in question have direct incentives against enacting positive left-ward change and have sometimes even supported ideas/policy that make things worse. That latter part is another thing I think being "new" to politics can blind someone to. To a liberal who just became politically aware in the last few years, they probably view the Democrats as "the socially progressive party that at least want some incremental economic improvements," but a longer and more comprehensive view brings to mind stuff like the Clinton years, Democratic opposition to gay marriage, support of private prisons, support of charter schools, Obama's attempts at a Grand Bargain, etc. Basically, there's a whole bunch of stuff that casts extreme doubt on the "Democrats share left-wing values and are just having trouble enacting them" narrative to anyone who has actually paid attention. * The other part is a bunch of extremely classist folks that make at least 2-3x the individual median income
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Rent-A-Cop posted:I got a jobs program that will employ a whole lot of carpenters. by "jobs program" you mean "hooking a computer to a lumber mill, set to make crosses and reap all the profit for yourself".
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Freakazoid_ posted:by "jobs program" you mean "hooking a computer to a lumber mill, set to make crosses and reap all the profit for yourself". Nah the rich deserve artisanal crosses and nails. I really think the French had this one right though.
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Betsy DeVos is trying to kill the union for the Federal workers under her.
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quote:“Are you committed to continue to grant programs that are identified, I believe, as the Japanese American Confinement Sites grants program which were funded in 2017? Will we see them funded again in 2018?” Hanabusa asked.
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"Still planning to not bulldoze the Native American reservations, right?" "Kimosabe potluck gutentag." Zinke never said yes. Maybe that was the master plan here? 
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What a scumbag of a human being she is. That's not even shady, it's straight up doing something that is 100% entirely illegal and hoping that all of the institutions that can call you on it are either crippled or co-opted so much that they don't or can't take you to task for it. loving lol at all the democrat centrists and Republicans trying to shout down this article and the guy who literally laid out how centrists helped bring us to this in exquisite first person detail in the comments too. Archonex fucked around with this message at 10:43 on Mar 16, 2018 |
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x-post from the succ zoneWraith of J.O.I. posted:https://twitter.com/cnnsotu/status/974689103378878465
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