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therobit posted:That sound like a total loving disaster and if that is how your meetings are run then no wonder candidates decided it wasn't worth the trouble. It was a loving circus. Also I feel that both Day Day and Thad are underselling how critical the pamphlet was against the candidates. I read it over last night and yeah I could see how they would get the impression of being disrespected. I feel that it's important that DSA has exploded over the past two years. Hell in the beginning of the meeting someone stated that not long ago PDX DSA consisted of 7 members sitting in a local library, but now has over 700 and now meet in a literal church. The organization is hitting the big leagues and the leadership, and members, are playing catch-up. I feel that explains the inexperience, especially considering how so much of the leadership is under 30.
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Thaddius the Large posted:Pulling choice quotes from the DSA thread:
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I agree that the pamphlet was fairly against the candidates, and full disclosure, the executive committee’s positions largely mirrored my own after I read the candidate questionnaires. That said, I didn’t think it so big a deal as to withdraw the endorsement requests, or even worse, cut bait and leave. It’s admittedly ignoring the very significant issues with communication that occurred, and I’m hardly a political expert, but even without the endorsements the meeting seemed like a good time for the candidates to, you know, campaign.
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Thaddius the Large posted:I agree that the pamphlet was fairly against the candidates, and full disclosure, the executive committee’s positions largely mirrored my own after I read the candidate questionnaires. That said, I didn’t think it so big a deal as to withdraw the endorsement requests, or even worse, cut bait and leave. It’s admittedly ignoring the very significant issues with communication that occurred, and I’m hardly a political expert, but even without the endorsements the meeting seemed like a good time for the candidates to, you know, campaign. Is there anywhere/way I can view their questionnaires?
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Thaddius the Large posted:Leftism.txt
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Y'all are acting like the steering committee has no right to express their opinion on a decision that will directly impact how our time and resources are spent. The criticism was pointed but reasonable. If the candidates are going to blow their lid over something as small as this, how were they ever going to handle the pressures that will inevitably come from promoting socialist policies? Sure, there was miscommunication and to some degree the responsibility for that is with the DSA, but to lay all the blame on the DSA leadership is ridiculous.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Is there anywhere/way I can view their questionnaires? They were shared via a google drive link, I don’t know if we’re allowed to re-link/share it or whatever. You’re a member though, right? Shockingly it seems to take forever to get new people added. anthonypants posted:Sorry, but if you believe that a leftist organization can't act like loving adults, gently caress you What can I say, I appreciate that a (relatively) leftist group lives up to the stereotype with a seeming inability to make it through a single meeting without massive infighting, bickering over rules, and some small touch of splintering into factions.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Also I feel that both Day Day and Thad are underselling how critical the pamphlet was against the candidates. I read it over last night and yeah I could see how they would get the impression of being disrespected. I'm "underselling" it because the majority of statements had very little, if anything at all, to criticize the candidates over. Many of those who were against endorsement advocated that individual members donate, turn out to canvas, build support, and vote for candidates they believe in. Cherrypicking a few instances of concerns with a candidates platform, background, etc. and trying to paint the entire pamphlet as a smear job is at best a misunderstanding and at worst a deliberate attempt to agitate the orgs members against themselves.
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Thaddius the Large posted:Shockingly it seems to take forever to get new people added. We can't do anything about the member list from national but quote:Slack: Our Chapter's primary day-to-day communications tool outside of face-to-face meetings is Slack. If you are a dues-paying member and have not yet received your invitation, please forward your confirmation email from DSA National (from Maria Svart) to dsaportlandoregon@gmail.com. That includes Google Drive access, as well.
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Lol at anyone still being in the DSA after they let a cop join
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whomupclicklike posted:Lol at anyone still being in the DSA after they let a cop join Solidarity is for everyone, leadership is not.
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IM DAY DAY IRL posted:I'm "underselling" it because the majority of statements had very little, if anything at all, to criticize the candidates over. Many of those who were against endorsement advocated that individual members donate, turn out to canvas, build support, and vote for candidates they believe in. Cherrypicking a few instances of concerns with a candidates platform, background, etc. and trying to paint the entire pamphlet as a smear job is at best a misunderstanding and at worst a deliberate attempt to agitate the orgs members against themselves. I'm not familiar with how other endorsement pamphlets are made. Do they contain a similar tone?
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Do right-wing orgs (I'm not sure what the right-wing equivalent of the DSA would be...either Libertarians or Constitution party?) have the same kinds of issues?anthonypants posted:Sorry, but if you believe that a leftist organization can't act like loving adults, gently caress you Cicero fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Mar 14, 2018 |
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Cicero posted:Do right-wing orgs (I'm not sure what the right-wing equivalent of the DSA would...either Libertarians or Constitution party?) have the same kinds of issues? No, because inclusion and diversity aren't issues they care about. Liberals will always lose because of this.
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That sounds a bit like "Evil will always triumph, because Good is dumb."
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Cicero posted:That sounds a bit like "Evil will always triumph, because Good is dumb."
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anthonypants posted:Well, it is kind of dumb that "Good" values inclusivity above a coherent strategy... I feel like liberals fall into two camps and I think both are pretty garbage. First camp wants anyone and everyone to be involved and make choices and everyones opinions should be valued even if they're racist poo poo values. Second camp "knows" what's best for everyone and they want to enact policies that ensure people get what they "need", because poors and minorities are in this situation because they're bad at making good choices. The older I get the more the more apparent it becomes to me that nobody knows poo poo and nobody should be in charge, anarchist communism is really the only reasonable form of governance... but even then shitheads/people who want to be in charge will argue over what people "need" all day instead of just getting poo poo done.
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Cicero posted:That sounds a bit like "Evil will always triumph, because Good is dumb." Proof: History.
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ElCondemn posted:Second camp "knows" what's best for everyone and they want to enact policies that ensure people get what they "need", because poors and minorities are in this situation because they're bad at making good choices. lol
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RuanGacho posted:Solidarity is for everyone, leadership is not. Cops aren't capable of solidarity
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He wasn't actually a cop but he was a shithead
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The Washington Post wrote about this story today http://www.oregonlive.com/clark-county/index.ssf/2018/03/boyfriend_who_survived_samurai.html
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anthonypants posted:The Washington Post wrote about this story today http://www.oregonlive.com/clark-county/index.ssf/2018/03/boyfriend_who_survived_samurai.html He was totally cheating but I'm not sure why he is still lying tho
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anthonypants posted:The Washington Post wrote about this story today http://www.oregonlive.com/clark-county/index.ssf/2018/03/boyfriend_who_survived_samurai.html Money shot: quote:"I wasn't a sweaty nerd, more of an Ethlete," Lovell said, describing a person who has an intensive online gaming regimen.
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Where is this mall that sells katana?
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GodFish posted:Where is this mall that sells katana? Don't most malls have that weird knife/sword store, that also sells pewter wizards holding crystals?
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GodFish posted:Where is this mall that sells katana? I'm going to guess Washington Square
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Thanatosian posted:Don't most malls have that weird knife/sword store, that also sells pewter wizards holding crystals? I clearly need to investigate the local mall more closely when I go there next in, *checks calendar* three years?
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GodFish posted:I clearly need to investigate the local mall more closely when I go there next in, *checks calendar* three years?
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I still don't see how anarchy results in anything but feudalism with the richest people consolidating power.
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anthonypants posted:The Washington Post wrote about this story today http://www.oregonlive.com/clark-county/index.ssf/2018/03/boyfriend_who_survived_samurai.html Kind of surprised it wasn't in Washougal.
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GodFish posted:Where is this mall that sells katana? Chomskyan posted:I'm going to guess Washington Square anthonypants fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Mar 15, 2018 |
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I think the House of Cutlery is still at Alderwood Mall but it's been a while so  There was also one in Bellevue Square that had the Knight in a suit of armor standing outside
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George posted:I still don't see how anarchy results in anything but feudalism with the richest people consolidating power. At some point in their lives, everyone thinks 'Wouldn't life be so much better if everyone just got along, shared everything, and there were no rules? The vast majority of people then remember that human nature is a thing, and that anarchy is literally 'No Rules', and it would be far far worse than the 'democracy' we have that barely works. At least we pretend to have basic protections.
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Thanatosian posted:Don't most malls have that weird knife/sword store, that also sells pewter wizards holding crystals? I don't think the everett mall has that store anymore. The anime store has the swords now.
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There's an anime store in Northgate mall that has awkward looking swords. I went there looking for a last minute goofy gift and most of their stuff looked like freebies from pax/comic con. No pewter wizards though.
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Peachfart posted:At some point in their lives, everyone thinks 'Wouldn't life be so much better if everyone just got along, shared everything, and there were no rules? The vast majority of people then remember that human nature is a thing, and that anarchy is literally 'No Rules', and it would be far far worse than the 'democracy' we have that barely works. At least we pretend to have basic protections. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fibDNwF8bjs
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FuzzySlippers posted:There's an anime store in Northgate mall that has awkward looking swords. I went there looking for a last minute goofy gift and most of their stuff looked like freebies from pax/comic con. No pewter wizards though. Could you stab someone with their hanzo steel?
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FuzzySlippers posted:There's an anime store in Northgate mall that has awkward looking swords. I went there looking for a last minute goofy gift and most of their stuff looked like freebies from pax/comic con. No pewter wizards though.
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Probably lethal enough for an ethlete I was looking for a dumb anime shirt so goofy swords wasn't actually my intended gift.
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