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Count Roland posted:There have been Uighur dudes and small groups fighting in Syria for years. Make sense they're on Turkey's side-- Turkey may have encouraged them to come in the first place. Turkey gave them Turkish passports in Malaysia to come to Turkey so they could fight in Syria.
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Mar 15, 2018 22:13
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In like, the most ancient sense. Uyghurs are Chinese for the most part.
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Volkerball posted:In like, the most ancient sense. Uyghurs are Chinese for the most part. That's okay, most people living in Turkey aren't predominantly Turkic either. It's just a unifying political myth. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Mar 15, 2018 |
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Mar 15, 2018 22:19
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lollontee posted:Plus uighurs are turkic, so there’s that as well I mean practically everyone in Europe speaks Indo-European languages like the Basques, Finns, and Hungarians but I don’t think many Irish were off fighting in the Balkans during the independence wars. (Yeah it’s a pretty bad analogy but afaik there’s no hugely important pan-Turkic nationalism). There’s probably more ethnic similarity too but I have no real clue. Probably 23andme knows. ^^^ also the above post. I wonder if 23andme is banned in Turkey and Greece. They’d probably commit collective suicide over their massively shared DNA. Saladman fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Mar 15, 2018 |
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Mar 15, 2018 22:21
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Uyghurs are one of those strange ethnicities that are incredibly mixed and are both Asian and Caucasian. Pashtuns, Uzbeks, Hazaras, Tajiks, etc. are like that too. The whole central Asian region is like that.
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Mar 15, 2018 22:22
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But Uighurs identify more with Turks than with Chinese. #FreeEastTurkestan
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Mar 15, 2018 22:23
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Usually when people are oppressed, it tends to catalyse the inception of a new identity in opposition to the oppressor. Ethnicity and religion might be imaginary, but to people like the uighurs they are mighty convenient when you need to forge a new in-group identity.
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Mar 15, 2018 22:35
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I remember reading about Uigher al-Qaeda members way back when all this started.
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Mar 15, 2018 23:19
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Chadderbox posted:Not really, Uyghurs are ethnically Turkish. The word you're looking for is Turkic. 
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Mar 15, 2018 23:45
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Laurenz posted:Uyghurs are one of those strange ethnicities that are incredibly mixed and are both Asian and Caucasian. ALMOST LIKE THE SILK ROAD WAS SOME KIND OF MAJOR TRADE ROUTE ON WHICH MYRIAD PEOPLE AND THINGS TRAVELED! 
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Mar 16, 2018 00:31
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Darkman Fanpage posted:ALMOST LIKE THE SILK ROAD WAS SOME KIND OF MAJOR TRADE ROUTE ON WHICH MYRIAD PEOPLE AND THINGS TRAVELED! Silly, the Silk Road is actually a giant Chinese Megaproject meant to create a consumer market all across asia for chinese construction and products and keep chinese industrial strength from imploding, with the eventual goal of creating a land route of goods and services to europe as the center of capital shifts from the US to China.
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Mar 16, 2018 00:50
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Grape posted:The word you're looking for is Turkic. Indeed.
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Darkman Fanpage posted:ALMOST LIKE THE SILK ROAD WAS SOME KIND OF MAJOR TRADE ROUTE ON WHICH MYRIAD PEOPLE AND THINGS TRAVELED! I don't think it was/is anything more complicated than Central Asia being central in the Eurasian continent. So yeah the silk road, but also all the horse hordes rushing to and fro. Or just general bleed over from bordering like three or so phenotype areas or whatever. Getting some whitey, some east asian, some brown middle east up in there. Mix well and let it simmer.
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there's like, a mass of people in central Asia and Afghanistan in particular who look completely indistinguishable from a white British person so yeah that place has a giant mix of people in it.
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Shageletic posted:I remember reading about Uigher al-Qaeda members way back when all this started. Some existed, but China also immediately seized on the war on terror as an excuse to (further) oppress the gently caress out of the Uighurs.
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Mar 16, 2018 01:13
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Al-Saqr posted:there's like, a mass of people in central Asia and Afghanistan in particular who look completely indistinguishable from a white British person so yeah that place has a giant mix of people in it. I think some theories about that is that the earlier large population movements through the region came from the Euro direction (possibly the Indo-European language tribes). Then later more of an East Asian looking element came through, namely the original waves of Turkic peoples. And so on. Kinda bears out in language family maps where the huge Indo-European presence is sliced in two at Central Asia by a big Turkic blob.
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https://twitter.com/zaidbenjamin/status/974437316046544896?s=19 The gall to interfere in Iraq.  https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/974311438633271297?s=19 I see the unspoken is now stated. Also dude has his mom stashed somewhere in case of a coup. OhFunny fucked around with this message at 01:19 on Mar 16, 2018 |
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Mar 16, 2018 01:17
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I thought he was hiding his mother from his father so she couldn't undermine his coup.
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Darkman Fanpage posted:I thought he was hiding his mother from his father so she couldn't undermine his coup. Oh is that it? I thought it was so enemies wouldn't target her in a counter coup.
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Grape posted:I think some theories about that is that the earlier large population movements through the region came from the Euro direction (possibly the Indo-European language tribes). Then later more of an East Asian looking element came through, namely the original waves of Turkic peoples. And so on. Or Maybe a ton of british soldiers hosed/raped alot when they were especially active there during the 1800's when the great game of central Europe and the invasion of Afghanistan was happening, or maybe a bunch of eurpoean silk road tradesmen decided to stay in the area. sounds like a much simpler explanation.
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Do Saudis realistically even have the technology/capability to independently develop nukes? Also, wow. At least Iran was smart enough to deny a nuclear program, regardless of what the reality was, to avoid universal condemnation/sanctions. MbS must either be confident that the US will back him up, or he has no tactical guile.
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OhFunny posted:I see the unspoken is now stated. Also dude has his mom stashed somewhere in case of a coup. In case of coup attempt he always stashed his mom Hey, MBS Bill, who did you kill, MBS Bill? svenkatesh posted:Do Saudis realistically even have the technology/capability to independently develop nukes? The insistent rumor is that they've got access to Pakistan's nuclear technology, which they financially backed.
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Mar 16, 2018 01:25
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Lol if any of you think that Allies of America are going to be scrutinized for Nuclear activity. Also, we dont have enough scientists to handle that kind of thing so most of it will be imported.
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Al-Saqr posted:Or Maybe a ton of british soldiers hosed/raped alot when they were especially active there during the 1800's when the great game of central Europe and the invasion of Afghanistan was happening, or maybe a bunch of eurpoean silk road tradesmen decided to stay in the area. sounds like a much simpler explanation. There would have to be an absolutely absurd degree of rape, engineered in almost Nazi like fashion, for the express purpose of genetic reshaping, for that to have been the reason for a whole region showcasing phenotypes to that degree. And would have to have had Russian help since the same stuff is visible in Tajikistan and other parts the Russians took. Also the Chinese.... um... somehow... because there's also white looking people in Xinjiang. I'm not sure what's un-simple about the Indo-European theory? The Kurgan hypothesis is by far the most popular general idea of the language family spreading, and it would have to be something substantial like that to have that genetic impact. And not just a few odd merchants over the years, or a British/Russian Rapocaust.
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OhFunny posted:Oh is that it? I thought it was so enemies wouldn't target her in a counter coup. Apparently she's opposed to his power grab as it's causing divides in the royal family so he's been keeping her away from his father for two years now so she can't tell the king. King Salman's brain is pretty much mush so MBS keeps him surrounded by his men so they can tell him everything MBS is doing is fine.
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Grape posted:There would have to be an absolutely absurd degree of rape, engineered in almost Nazi like fashion, for the express purpose of genetic reshaping, for that to have been the reason for a whole region showcasing phenotypes to that degree. And would have to have had Russian help since the same stuff is visible in Tajikistan and other parts the Russians took. I dunno dude it doesnt take much for mixed race couples to make kids that look like their parents one way or another. It's totally plausable that you'd have a decent number of people who look like their parents or grandparents within 200 years, 400 if we're counting the silk road.
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Al-Saqr posted:Lol if any of you think that Allies of America are going to be scrutinized for Nuclear activity. Also, we dont have enough scientists to handle that kind of thing so most of it will be imported. I don't understand why SA still has to import scientists and doctors like they do. Surely they can afford to give their best and brightest educations at the finest universities, then bring them back with high salaries. Or, at the least, have members of their own absurdly oversized royal caste acquire the skills.
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TheBalor posted:I don't understand why SA still has to import scientists and doctors like they do. Surely they can afford to give their best and brightest educations at the finest universities, then bring them back with high salaries. Or, at the least, have members of their own absurdly oversized royal caste acquire the skills. They're trying to do this. I don't think they've tightened the belt on high-skilled/specialist jobs yet, but for the low- and mid- level jobs (not hard-labor jobs, but stuff like sales), they're discouraging local companies from hiring foreigners. Regardless, brain drain happens out of Saudi Arabia for the same reason it happens anywhere else in the world. Lol at the idea of having the royal family do real work. As if they're plebs.
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Sinteres posted:That's okay, most people living in Turkey aren't predominantly Turkic either. It's just a unifying political myth. Are you implying this isn't true for every nation-state? France is like 20% french.
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Al-Saqr posted:Or Maybe a ton of british soldiers hosed/raped alot when they were especially active there during the 1800's when the great game of central Europe and the invasion of Afghanistan was happening, or maybe a bunch of eurpoean silk road tradesmen decided to stay in the area. sounds like a much simpler explanation. If you absolutely want an "Europeans settling in Central Asia" explanation, then Alexander the Great conquering and settling all the way to India seems like it'd do more to influence the locals than a few tradesmen, even if it happened further into the past. HorrificExistence posted:Are you implying this isn't true for every nation-state? Hungary might be sorta similar actually, picking up genetic diversity on its way west as it slowly absorbed other groups, until it eventually had much more in common genetically with its neighbors than the peoples they originated from. Actually, the comparison is probably even more apt, given that both Hungarian nationalists (of a specific type) and pan-Turkic nationalists in Turkey subscribe to similar ideas of Turanism.
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Al-Saqr posted:Or Maybe a ton of british soldiers hosed/raped alot when they were especially active there during the 1800's when the great game of central Europe and the invasion of Afghanistan was happening, or maybe a bunch of eurpoean silk road tradesmen decided to stay in the area. sounds like a much simpler explanation. Al-Saqr posted:I dunno dude it doesnt take much for mixed race couples to make kids that look like their parents one way or another. It's totally plausable that you'd have a decent number of people who look like their parents or grandparents within 200 years, 400 if we're counting the silk road. i hate bringing up haplogroups and that type of lame rear end nerd poo poo but if that was the case they'd share more affinity in their genetic markers. the best example of this is the Kalash/Nuristani people who exhibit light features at higher frequencies than Pashtuns and other surrounding groups but like them, are native to the region 
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Tarim mummies date the big haplogroup frequently mentioned for this subject, r1a1, to 1800 BCE in at LEAST the tarim basin, the genetic similarity that does exist appears to be Very Very Old.
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TheBalor posted:I don't understand why SA still has to import scientists and doctors like they do. Surely they can afford to give their best and brightest educations at the finest universities, then bring them back with high salaries. Or, at the least, have members of their own absurdly oversized royal caste acquire the skills. Why grow internally when you have ready-to-work imports that you have absolute control over? Hire people with rights? Are you mad? Employee getting uppity? bye bye and say hello to your replacement as you exit. It's entirely common for a cohort of employees being brought in and then when the law states that they get a raise they get laid off and then given an offer for their same (or lower) salaries. It's at will employment with a side of at will deporting. Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 12:41 on Mar 16, 2018 |
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Al-Saqr posted:Or Maybe a ton of british soldiers hosed/raped alot when they were especially active there during the 1800's when the great game of central Europe and the invasion of Afghanistan was happening, or maybe a bunch of eurpoean silk road tradesmen decided to stay in the area. sounds like a much simpler explanation. You know the British Invasion of Afghanistan was like 90% ethnic Sikhs/Indians, right? This is probably the dumbest theory I’ve read on this thread. Those handful of British officers would have needed to put Genghis Khan to shame to have any substantial visible impact. It’s also worth noting that there is essentially zero visibly evident Mongol in Europe (though it’s been quite a lot longer) with tons of documented mass rapes.
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Saladman posted:You know the British Invasion of Afghanistan was like 90% ethnic Sikhs/Indians, right? This is probably the dumbest theory I’ve read on this thread. Those handful of British officers would have needed to put Genghis Khan to shame to have any substantial visible impact. It’s also worth noting that there is essentially zero visibly evident Mongol in Europe (though it’s been quite a lot longer) with tons of documented mass rapes. I know people have a hard-on for hating on all things British in D&D, but if there's one thing the Raj and Imperial troops were not guilty of it's mass rape. In other actual and relevant news, Jisreen has been recaptured by the SAA, Jaish Al Islam has effectively surrendered, Saqba has been evacuated, and the whole of East Ghouta's fighters might as well give up and hop on the green buses.
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Barrakketh posted:I know people have a hard-on for hating on all things British in D&D, but if there's one thing the Raj and Imperial troops were not guilty of it's mass rape. Wouldn’t exactly call it a ”hard-on” when you’re talking about the worst, most genocidal empire in the history of humanity.
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lollontee posted:Wouldn’t exactly call it a ”hard-on” when you’re talking about the worst, most genocidal empire in the history of humanity. Nice Mongol erasure.
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Sinteres posted:Nice Mongol erasure. Didn’t kill as many.
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lollontee posted:Didn’t kill as many. I don't think that's true unless you give the most generous number possible for the Mongols (and don't include Timur) and the least generous number possible for the British. Butchering every inhabitant of an area is easier to attribute as a willful action than figuring out how many famine deaths were the fault of an imperial overlord (which isn't to say the British didn't slaughter people too, just not on the same scale as the Mongols).
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