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Mantis42 posted:Once two students approached Master Agesilaus in the hopes that he would resolve a debate. The first student argued that the Dark Ages of the West was a misnomer, the use of which denoted bad historiography. The second student in turn argued that this was revisionist nonsense, that the Dark Ages were materially real, the nadir of Western culture and society. False. If it gets worse every day, the nadir couldn't have occurred in the past. This is why the protagonist of Office Space says "things get worse every day, so every day is the worst day of my life"
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3/15/-44 never forget
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# ? Mar 15, 2018 21:12 |
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Squalid posted:I don't think a literal interpretation of Lingcodkilla's post as describing a specific historical event is justified. other people didn't get the joke but I did
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# ? Mar 15, 2018 21:36 |
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fantastic in plastic posted:3/15/-44 never forget Was that the day Cesar Chavez was assassinated?
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# ? Mar 16, 2018 00:56 |
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Arglebargle III posted:Was that the day Cesar Chavez was assassinated?
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# ? Mar 16, 2018 01:13 |
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Arglebargle III posted:Was that the day Cesar Chavez was assassinated? Sid Caesar was assassinated?
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# ? Mar 16, 2018 01:16 |
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Hero of the People Caesar brutally murdered by the cowardly oligarchic reactionaries.
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# ? Mar 16, 2018 03:14 |
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Hero of the People Caesar brutally murdered by the cowardly oligarchic reactionaries. Some people think Mark Antony is the man to save us, others think it is that brash young Octavius... not me, I'm smart and I'm banking all my money on the tried and true Lepidus, he'll get us through these troubled times.
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# ? Mar 16, 2018 15:46 |
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You might be joking but lepidus managed to die of old age which is something none of Augustus other enemies can claim.
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# ? Mar 16, 2018 15:58 |
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Gaius Marius posted:You might be joking but lepidus managed to die of old age which is something none of Augustus other enemies can claim. Probably because unlike every other spurned Roman general of the age he decided to gently caress off and lie low after being stripped of his powers instead of raising some legions and going to war in the name of his Dignitas.
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# ? Mar 16, 2018 16:15 |
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Probably because unlike every other spurned Roman general of the age he decided to gently caress off and lie low after being stripped of his powers instead of raising some legions and going to war in the name of his Dignitas. Clearly he was no True Roman, to hold his dignitas in such low contempt.
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# ? Mar 16, 2018 18:08 |
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Honestly, going "yknow, being pontifex maximus is a pretty sweet deal with plenty of honor in it who needs legions" feels like both a healthy and sane thing to think when your rivals are Octavian and Antony
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# ? Mar 16, 2018 18:16 |
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Can we please stop using "Antony" in this thread of all threads. Please. It's so bad.
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# ? Mar 16, 2018 18:17 |
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I'm sorry his name in English doesn't match the original Latin
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# ? Mar 16, 2018 18:18 |
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euphronius posted:Can we please stop using "Antony" in this thread of all threads. Please. It's so bad. I know. I don't want to talk about him either. I still can't forgive him for being responsible for the death of Tully.
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# ? Mar 16, 2018 18:19 |
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euphronius posted:Can we please stop using "Antony" in this thread of all threads. Please. It's so bad. Can we stop using “Octavian”? Sometimes I feel sorry for the guy, invented the principate and set the course of Europe for centuries to come and 2000 years later respectable historians are still referring to him with the equivalent of “Obummer”
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# ? Mar 16, 2018 18:33 |
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It's his own drat fault he decided to name himself something extremely confusing
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# ? Mar 16, 2018 18:39 |
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What's this "Rome" and "Romans" nonsense? Use the proper Latin names, you barbarians.
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# ? Mar 16, 2018 18:39 |
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That discussion about genetics reminded me there was a recent reconstruction of Britain's The Guardian posted:The first modern Britons, who lived about 10,000 years ago, had “dark to black” skin, a groundbreaking DNA analysis of Britain’s oldest complete skeleton has revealed. While I admit I was surprised by this finding, Alaska natives who traditionally had diets rich in animal fat also have pretty dark skin. The mutation that produced pale skin probably occurred independently in East Asia and European populations, I'm curious now if there was a similar connection between the spread of the traits and agriculture in the East.
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# ? Mar 16, 2018 18:47 |
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Seems as if the convention is Octavian for the civil war and before and Augustus for well y’know.
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# ? Mar 16, 2018 18:47 |
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Pontius Pilate posted:Seems as if the convention is Octavian for the civil war and before and Augustus for well y’know. The standard English convention is Octavius pre adoption, Octavian post adoption, and then Augustus.
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# ? Mar 16, 2018 18:56 |
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I just taught this to Chinese students with zero background and decided to stick with Augustus exclusively. I thought it was far too complex given that we were learning different Latin names in a class taught in English, which is already their third language so. Simplicity is best.
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# ? Mar 16, 2018 18:58 |
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The correct name is Agrippa’s BFF
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# ? Mar 16, 2018 19:00 |
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Not bad tbh
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# ? Mar 16, 2018 19:00 |
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Apparently his cognomen at birth was Thurinus and I'm a little surprised that I've never even heard that before.
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# ? Mar 16, 2018 19:07 |
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That result was neat, I figured the lighter skin mutation was older than that. Seeing the racists pissed off about it has been fantastic. We're all Africans originally dudes, deal with it.
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# ? Mar 16, 2018 19:08 |
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Grand Fromage posted:I just taught this to Chinese students with zero background and decided to stick with Augustus exclusively. I thought it was far too complex given that we were learning different Latin names in a class taught in English, which is already their third language so. Simplicity is best. You'd think they'd be more used to emperor's having a half dozen names.
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# ? Mar 16, 2018 19:12 |
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cheetah7071 posted:Apparently his cognomen at birth was Thurinus and I'm a little surprised that I've never even heard that before. I think his dad won a battle there ?
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# ? Mar 16, 2018 19:15 |
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euphronius posted:I think his dad won a battle there ? Right. Against rebellious slaves, part of Spartacus's uprising.
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# ? Mar 16, 2018 19:25 |
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cheetah7071 posted:Apparently his cognomen at birth was Thurinus and I'm a little surprised that I've never even heard that before. I think the source on that was Suetonius, and I remember that it didn't sound very trustworthy in Twelve Caesars.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:I think the source on that was Suetonius, and I remember that it didn't sound very trustworthy in Twelve Caesars. Suetonius actually says that it is especially trustworthy, because he (Suetonius) got a bronze statuette dating from his (Augustus’) childhood and showing him with this name, as a gift for the emperor Hadrian. He also says that Antonius used the name in their correspondence as a slur against him, like “Octavian”. Suetonius does sound a bit like he’s protesting too much, and Augustus certainly never used the cognomen much himself, but I don’t think he is lying about the correspondence. He did lose access to the archives of imperial correspondence during the writing of the Lives of the Caesars, but it was well after he wrote about Augustus.
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# ? Mar 16, 2018 20:41 |
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skasion posted:Can we stop using “Octavian”? Sometimes I feel sorry for the guy, invented the principate and set the course of Europe for centuries to come and 2000 years later respectable historians are still referring to him with the equivalent of “Obummer” When Barry Soetoro ascended to the highest office of the American Republic, the people of his age began to refer to him as "Obama", an honorific with a meaning lost to history
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fantastic in plastic posted:When Barry Soetoro ascended to the highest office of the American Republic, the people of his age began to refer to him as "Obama", an honorific with a meaning lost to history A kind of cult worship was established around the leader, with people frequently giving thanks in his name. We can only conclude that he was universally beloved by the American people.
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# ? Mar 16, 2018 23:08 |
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There's going to be a confused PhD student hundreds of years from now trying to piece together fragmentary references to "Gay Black Hitler"
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# ? Mar 17, 2018 00:35 |
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English seems like the weird outlier among the germanics in deviating from the Latin spelling of Roman historical figures. German and Scandinavian languages spell like it was in Classical Latin. Maybe it is a norm introduced by French? Cause in today’s Romance languages that developed organically from their Latin origins, names of famous Romans are spelled with current orthography and naming conventions. Caio Julio Cesar, Diocletiano, Marco Aurélio, Antonino Pio, Lúcio Vero, Cómodo and so on... Falukorv fucked around with this message at 03:10 on Mar 17, 2018 |
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Falukorv posted:English seems like the weird outlier among the germanics in deviating from the Latin spelling of Roman historical figures. German and Scandinavian languages spell like it was in Classical Latin. Maybe it is a norm introduced by French? Cause in today’s Romance languages that developed organically from their Latin origins, names of famous Romans are spelled with current orthography and naming conventions.
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# ? Mar 17, 2018 03:16 |
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euphronius posted:Can we please stop using "Antony" in this thread of all threads. Please. It's so bad. Big Tony
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# ? Mar 17, 2018 17:22 |
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Is Pompey the only guy to have Magnus in his formal name? Every other (and way better) famous Roman general has something more specific like Africanus.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Is Pompey the only guy to have Magnus in his formal name? Every other (and way better) famous Roman general has something more specific like Africanus. There was a rebel against Gratian who had, for a while, the support of Theodosius, named Flavius Magnus Maximus. Constantinus Gallus also had an assistant named Montius Magnus who got on the wrong side of the army and was murdered. Those are the only Romans I know who had the name Magnus, though.
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Is there any particular reason for why it was so seldom used in Roman culture? Was it out of admiration for Alexander?
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