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I think the primary problem with the carbon tax in MB is that it is not a carbon tax in any sense except the one where the government of MB has named it that.
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Holy gently caress shut the gently caress up PT6A you gilded progressive. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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vyelkin posted:
Holy gently caress, what happened there?
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she used her patron money to help fund a ship that blocked the rescue of migrants on the Mediterranean and allegedly was arrested in Italy for firing flares near Italian rescue ships in order to confuse them I guess?
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zapplez posted:Holy gently caress, what happened there? It's part of why she was banned from Patreon, and an amazing clusterfuck in and of itself. She joined a group that tried to prevent maritime aid workers from reaching refugee boats in distress in the Mediterranean, and apparently fired flares at aid workers.
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infernal machines posted:It's part of why she was banned from Patreon, and an amazing clusterfuck in and of itself. So she was on one of those "Save the whales" greenpeace ships that block hunting. But instead it was a boat full of refuges? Any news coverage on this its pretty wild Also : The libs could easily win this provincial election if they made Wynne step down and just got a regular white old guy as the new leader. Instead we are going to get doug loving ford.
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stop talking to this moron about the wealth transfer in Manitoba. he refuses to even acknowledge that it's not a "carbon tax" or that it's only designed to give more money to the richest corporations in the country. it's pointless, his brain is smoother than a bowling ball.
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Martian Manfucker posted:stop talking to this moron about the wealth transfer in Manitoba. he refuses to even acknowledge that it's not a "carbon tax" or that it's only designed to give more money to the richest corporations in the country. it's pointless, his brain is smoother than a bowling ball. It is a carbon tax -- albeit a bad and incomplete one -- and I'm not saying it doesn't give more money to the rich. If you kept your attacks to "it's a bad implementation of a carbon tax, and the rest of the budget is full of awful austerity garbage that hurts the poor" I'd agree with you completely. But making driving more expensive is not a problem, because driving is a behaviour that needs to be discouraged. It's the one part of this policy that isn't awful.
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zapplez posted:So she was on one of those "Save the whales" greenpeace ships that block hunting. But instead it was a boat full of refuges? Any news coverage on this its pretty wild How 'bout the Washington Post or Canadaland, and some tasty irony, as covered by Ars Technica
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I really like how Peterson's flimsy cover of plausible deniability has evaporated like mist in the morning sun in the span of a few short weeks.
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The great thing is, his tweet referencing Southern makes no loving sense. He appears to be calling out the Prime Minister for allowing people suspected of aiding ISIS to return to Canada, but what this has to do with Southern being barred from the UK, I can't imagine.
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infernal machines posted:
Is this even actually A Thing? It feels an awful lot like "people who watch Fox News know less than people who don't watch news at all about current events". e. Global News is saying it is mostly full of poo poo. quote:
https://globalnews.ca/news/3889240/liberals-isis-fighters-canada-open-arms/ It is nigh impossible to prove crimes committed overseas in this sort of scenario. It also goes on to say that these individuals also have restrictions on their movement such as no-fly lists. It seems that you're kind of in an ethical quagmire, no? It seems distasteful, but if they are Canadian citizens, don't you kind of, you know, have to take them back? Wouldn't just shipping them back get slapped down by a court toot sweet? And rule of law remains, I dunno, kind of, maybe-sorta, important? Short of magically reversing generations worth of Western intervention and destabilisation in the region, it seems the best thing the government of Canada could do would be to properly fund de-radicalization programs while simultaneously monitoring these peeps. Stickarts fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Mar 16, 2018 |
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EvilJoven posted:But let's be honest, mostly Ford is going to win because the 905 is full of terrible loving people who'd run over a puppy if they thought that'd shorten their commute by 15 minutes on those god awful freeways. my hot take is that 905 stays liberal cuz it was really liberal on the federal level in 2015, but if Ford takes the 416/613 areas he wins
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Stickarts posted:Is this even actually A Thing? It feels an awful lot like "people who watch Fox News know less than people who don't watch news at all about current events". He's referring to the reintegration support policy, which is indeed a thing. But sort of conveniently ignores that as often as not they're as Canadian as Skidoos* and we have a legal obligation to them. *  
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infernal machines posted:The great thing is, his tweet referencing Southern makes no loving sense. white male identity politics, fighting "pc culture", and muslims are part of the same conservative cultural wars package which is the basis of J.Peterson's appeal if you want to summarize the 2018 right in one sentence it's politically correct regressive transgender feminists letting in muslims to rape white women and ban white males from using free speech to say muslims are bad it was always inevitable that he headed down that road because that's what his audience wants, it makes a lot of sense once you realize all those things are part of the same narrative Typo fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Mar 16, 2018 |
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Mar 16, 2018 17:14
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infernal machines posted:He's referring to the reintegration support policy, which is indeed a thing. But sort of conveniently ignores that as often as not they're as Canadian as Skidoos* and we have a legal obligation to them. Thanks. I in the end lifted a finger, but just barely, to do my own reading and reached a similar conclusion. Typo posted:white male identity politics, fighting "pc culture", and muslims are part of the same conservative cultural wars package which is the basis of J.Peterson's appeal So where do you begin with this guy's acolytes? They seem more reachable than full-on MAGA chuds, but where do you starting poking holes? Asking because my social media has a festering JPB presence. Stickarts fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Mar 16, 2018 |
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Typo posted:if you want to summarize the 2018 right in one sentence it's politically correct regressive transgender feminists letting in muslims to rape white women and ban white males from using free speech to say muslims are bad And giving them tens of millions of dollars instead of giving them to ARE TROOPS, let's not forget that.
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Typo posted:my hot take is that 905 stays liberal cuz it was really liberal on the federal level in 2015, but if Ford takes the 416/613 areas he wins How wrong do you feel like being re: 905?  Stickarts posted:So where do you begin with this guys' acolytes? They seem more reachable than full-on MAGA chuds, but where do you starting poking holes? Asking because my social media has a festering JPB presence. Assuming they care about the content of his message and the value of his philosophy, take your pick from 70 pages of takedowns. If it's an identity thing then just give up now, because it doesn't matter. Good reading https://medium.com/@Corax/peterson-historian-aide-m%C3%A9moire-9aa3b6b3de04 https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve infernal machines fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Mar 16, 2018 |
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Suburbs are cancer.
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ok, I did not know the 905 region was that big I thought it was mostly mississauga/bramptonish and doesn't go that far east
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Stickarts posted:So where do you begin with this guy's acolytes? They seem more reachable than full-on MAGA chuds, but where do you starting poking holes? Asking because my social media has a festering JPB presence. honestly, the unpopular hot take is that the left is largely responsible for PETERSON if nobody shouted at him I don't think he would be anywhere near as prominent, the guy basically ascended on the basis of the traditional archetype (heh) of martyrdom one of the biggest advantages that peterson and the kind of centerish-right cultural warriors have is their ability to frame the debate in terms of free speech: which really, really works well with the kind of college educated men which conservatives in America are losing. You are a lot more popular when you are a matyr for free speech than if you are just outright against transgendered people or muslims or w/e.
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flakeloaf posted:And giving them tens of millions of dollars instead of giving them to ARE TROOPS, let's not forget that. they don't actually gives a poo poo about the troops
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flakeloaf posted:And giving them tens of millions of dollars instead of giving them to ARE TROOPS, let's not forget that. I love this argument because it gives me an opening to start talking about Pericles and the Peloponnesian war. The point being that no government in recorded history has ever cared about the TROOPS.
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Person: *devotes life to being played like a pawn by the ruling class* Public: Thank u for ur service
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xtal posted:Person: *devotes life to being played like a pawn by the ruling class* That's why they talk up honor and flags and duty and all that poo poo, because they certainly ain't getting paid what the job is worth
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a lot of Peterson's (and the alt-light and alt-right and whatever the gently caress) arguments are reactions to liberal capitalist understandings and expressions of race, gender, politics etc, which have some huge loving problems and contradictions that they prey upon and that liberals aren't capable of actually addressing. The solution is to present a coherent counter argument and political vision that's actually leftist and based in a solid material understanding of the world and actually addresses the contradictions in liberal capitalism. folks, i'm talking about communism 
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I think you'd have a pretty hard time nailing down any of Peterson's actual positions, on anything. e: OnPol https://twitter.com/fordnation/status/974702173568323584 Choice quote: quote:So when we get in there, we're going to start doing and stop talking and start creating economic prosperity up in the north. This is comparable to oil sands in Alberta. infernal machines fucked around with this message at 19:01 on Mar 16, 2018 |
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Public transit exists? Oh my stars, inform the thread immediately, they seem to have the idea there is no alternative to driving!
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Stickarts posted:shut the gently caress up PT6A (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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no, u That's the level of discourse this thread has reached, apparently, because no one is willing to admit their inconsistent beliefs about rich people driving (evil) versus poor people driving (good). Just admit it: you feel sorry for the lot of the poor, and as a result are arguing that they should be able to engage in an environmentally destructive activity which is already basically subsidized by the government in the force of the massive provision of driving infrastructure with minimal or no user cost, without being discouraged. That's okay! I'd just like to see someone state it outright. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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PT6A posted:Public transit exists? Oh my stars, inform the thread immediately, they seem to have the idea there is no alternative to driving!  already.
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Holy gently caress can you just for once admit you're wrong or arguing against a strawman, stop moving the goalposts, or shut the gently caress up? You were wrong about a tax that you didn't understand, it was explained to you, and now you're inventing a whole imaginary argument you can still "win" to save your pride but it's deeply embarrassing and annoying for everyone else reading your posts. You got the wrong end of the stick, happens to the best of us, move on.
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Buddy, I half-way agree with you and even I want you to shut the gently caress up, because this is tedious as hell and you're not even doing an entertaining job of misrepresenting other people's arguments to make your point.
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Baronjutter posted:Holy gently caress can you just for once admit you're wrong or arguing against a strawman, stop moving the goalposts, or shut the gently caress up? You were wrong about a tax that you didn't understand, it was explained to you, and now you're inventing a whole imaginary argument you can still "win" to save your pride but it's deeply embarrassing and annoying for everyone else reading your posts. You got the wrong end of the stick, happens to the best of us, move on. I admitted I was wrong about the thing I was wrong about (the increase to the basic personal exemption). And also about the Ukrainian neo-Nazi thing. I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong, provided I'm actually wrong, but this is not one of those times.
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infernal machines posted:Buddy, I half-way agree with you and even I want you to shut the gently caress up, because this is tedious as hell and you're not even doing an entertaining job of misrepresenting other people's arguments to make your point.
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Sexy Randal posted:a lot of Peterson's (and the alt-light and alt-right and whatever the gently caress) arguments are reactions to liberal capitalist understandings and expressions of race, gender, politics etc, which have some huge loving problems and contradictions that they prey upon and that liberals aren't capable of actually addressing. If you want to argue with Peterson people, don't get trapped trying to prove that there's infinite genders (there's not), the irreconcilable argument is almost always whether equality of outcome is better or worse than equality of opportunity. One of Peterson's actual positions is that equity is bad for society, that comes up all the time. As defined in the ETFO teacher social justice handbook quote:Equity means equality of access and outcome. An equity program is one that is designed to remove barriers to equality by identifying and eliminating discriminatory policies and practices. Such a program is intended both to remedy the effects of past discrimination and to prevent inequities. Equality means the state or quality of being equal; correspondence in quantity, degree, value, rank, or ability. Some people think it's fair to just give everybody the same slice of pie, some people think that some other people in charge should be deciding who gets bigger and smaller pie based on intersection of skin color, lgbtqness, religion and/or political leanings. Get all these people on the same page and jordan peterson goes away.
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That made my day. Thank you! Edit: PT6A, it's not a carbon tax because most of the carbon emissions are exempted. Corporations use much more carbon than individuals. Language and definitions matter. Poor people driving less would help, yes, but what are they gonna do? Stay at home? We have to tackle climate change in a way that's both effective and feasible. EvidenceBasedQuack fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Mar 16, 2018 |
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