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Chucktesla posted:I'd actually like to see a proposal on how to pay for m4a without raising taxes on low and middle income people, if there is one out there. done also did you know that the US pays for healthcare more per capita on government spending than the UK spends per capita on government spending? the US medical system is farcically inefficient due to privatization
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Chucktesla posted:I'd actually like to see a proposal on how to pay for m4a without raising taxes on low and middle income people, if there is one out there. Sure, here it is: tax the gently caress out of rich people. Welp, thanks for reading.
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the media (e.g. NPR) goes out of its way to never reasonably compare US healthcare and other systems and how much americans are getting ripped off. people aren't stupid morons and will understand they get more overall if you replace premiums with more cost efficient taxes. the media always intentionally frames this misleadingly though and did so throughout the primaries implying that sanders' proposal would be more expensive than the current system
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Mar 16, 2018 20:08
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Chucktesla posted:I'd actually like to see a proposal on how to pay for m4a without raising taxes on low and middle income people, if there is one out there. lol
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Mar 16, 2018 20:09
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i exist in a situation where i make very little money and i have medical needs that i have to deal with regularly. i have been avoiding going to the doctor because i can't afford the bills. i would gladly take a consistent increase in my taxes if it meant i could get my poo poo fixed with no charge to me (don't raise taxes, imo, just eat the rich)
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Mar 16, 2018 20:11
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tax the poo poo out of the rich end all corporate tax loopholes institute an annual wealth tax punitively tax unoccupied property
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Mar 16, 2018 20:17
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a rich person getting free college is such a disgrace that we can't let poor people get free college if there's even the slightest possibility that a rich person may sneak in there, this makes sense
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Mar 16, 2018 20:17
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Chucktesla posted:I'd actually like to see a proposal on how to pay for m4a without raising taxes on low and middle income people, if there is one out there. you tax the rich  americans are so normalized into how disparate and disproportional the wealth really is
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Mar 16, 2018 20:18
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limit personal wealth to no more than 100k
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Mar 16, 2018 20:20
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Serf posted:limit personal wealth to no more than 100k counterpoint: this would make it impossible to own a house
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Mar 16, 2018 20:21
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loquacius posted:counterpoint: this would make it impossible to own a house countercounterpoint: houses should be free
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Mar 16, 2018 20:24
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SKULL.GIF posted:tax the poo poo out of the rich i'd throw in a very (very) high estate / gift tax, possibly with exceptions for young children of decedents up to a defined amount based on number and age
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Serf posted:countercounterpoint: houses should be free *points* Nationalized
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Mar 16, 2018 20:25
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you dont even need to tax rich people to pay for m4a and all the cool useful social programs, the government can always pay for everything it needs. don't believe it? they just gave $100 billion to Trump for more defense spending we don't need, that's free college for everyone in america right there. unsurprisingly the rich people that run congress like telling everyone else there's no money
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Mar 16, 2018 20:28
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Tiberius Christ posted:you dont even need to tax rich people to pay for m4a and all the cool useful social programs, the government can always pay for everything it needs. don't believe it? they just gave $100 billion to Trump for more defense spending we don't need, that's free college for everyone in america right there. unsurprisingly the rich people that run congress like telling everyone else there's no money it just goes through uncontested by the media and both parties as a giveaway to the wealthy
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Mar 16, 2018 20:39
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Tiberius Christ posted:you dont even need to tax rich people to pay for m4a and all the cool useful social programs, the government can always pay for everything it needs. don't believe it? they just gave $100 billion to Trump for more defense spending we don't need, that's free college for everyone in america right there. unsurprisingly the rich people that run congress like telling everyone else there's no money 
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Mar 16, 2018 20:46
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we should all live together in one giant room the size of Nebraska and Oklahoma combined, like a big family, and Texas will be the front yard and the back yard will be the northern prairie and the lucky ones will have escaped to the mountains on either side to live truly free as nature intended, and then beyond that, the great oceans, engorged big league upon the ice waters of the melting polar regions.
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Mar 16, 2018 20:59
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the first minute of this jimmy dore rant is a good rebuke to how insane this line of argument is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HAqDPfj8B8 how are you gonna afford that half-price medicine? *jackoff hand motions*
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Mar 16, 2018 21:03
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just a reminder that capitalists are literally killing americans by skyrocketing and colluding to pricefix the price of insulin to unaffordability so they can make more money insulin has been around as a medication for almost a century
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Mar 16, 2018 21:09
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Tiberius Christ posted:you dont - you Tiberius Christ posted:even need to - tax Tiberius Christ posted:tax - the Tiberius Christ posted:tax rich people rich anyways!
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quote:When inventor Frederick Banting discovered insulin in 1923, he refused to put his name on the patent. He felt it was unethical for a doctor to profit off a discovery that would save lives. Banting’s co-inventors, James Collip and Charles Best, sold the insulin patent to the University of Toronto for a mere $1. They also wanted everyone who needed their medication to be able to afford it.
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Tiberius Christ posted:you dont even need to tax rich people to pay for m4a and all the cool useful social programs, the government can always pay for everything it needs. don't believe it? they just gave $100 billion to Trump for more defense spending we don't need, that's free college for everyone in america right there. unsurprisingly the rich people that run congress like telling everyone else there's no money you missed the mark by a bit. yes, military spending needs to go down, but also corporate tax needs to go wayyyyyyyyyy up.
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Cutting military spending and raising corporate taxes and even a wealth cap are great ideas and workable in the system we currently operate under but these ideas are lacking that certain supremely spectacular, morbidly theatrical, grotesque pizazz that usually accompanies times of great historical change.
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Matt Zerella posted:you missed the mark by a bit. yes, military spending needs to go down, but also corporate tax needs to go wayyyyyyyyyy up. well sure, im not saying dont eat the rich. the point is everything that most people believe how the economy works, like that its a household that has to balance its debts and income, are total BS. Even a single change to our system would undermine how it's run, which is kind of insane but explains all the pushback Tiberius Christ has issued a correction as of 21:35 on Mar 16, 2018 |
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Mar 16, 2018 21:33
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well neither has the capability of feeling shame so my money is they got drafted for hillary/hillary's replacement 2020
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Tiberius Christ posted:well sure, im not saying dont eat the rich. the point is everything that most people believe how the economy works, like that its a household that has to balance its debts and income, are total BS. Even a single change to our system would undermine how it's run, which is kind of insane and explains all the pushback sure do all that and crunch the numbers and wonk it out but tax the rich a lot like a lot a lot then you can be amazed at the windfall that all the wonk didn't even calculate before~ and now your budget is just so exhilarating and flexible
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Chucktesla posted:Those numbers go down quite a bit when you say single payer and expanding social security will increase their taxes if we went back to eisenhower era top tax rates we could honestly set the rate at 0% for the first 100k of income and still have money left over
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Over Easy posted:Cutting military spending and raising corporate taxes and even a wealth cap are great ideas and workable in the system we currently operate under but these ideas are lacking that certain supremely spectacular, morbidly theatrical, grotesque pizazz that usually accompanies times of great historical change. need to throw in incentives, like a free blender or whatever people like free poo poo
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Raskolnikov38 posted:well neither has the capability of feeling shame so my money is they got drafted for hillary/hillary's replacement 2020 has sally albright worked for any democratic candidate other than hillary
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https://twitter.com/MonsyAlvarado/status/974675241506103296 woah.
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comedyblissoption posted:just a reminder that capitalists are literally killing americans by skyrocketing and colluding to pricefix the price of insulin to unaffordability so they can make more money
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Annual Prophet posted:i'd throw in a very (very) high estate / gift tax, possibly with exceptions for young children of decedents up to a defined amount based on number and age imo make the amount you can keep directly proportional to the national average wage "we don't care that you have a billion dollars, if the average worker makes 40k/yr the most you can keep is 400,000." (or whatever) both discourages wealth hoarding and encourages reinvestment in wages
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FactsAreUseless posted:Good lol, diabetics are fatties and all fatties should die. you do realize that type I diabetics are born with it (and usually quite thin), right?
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GoluboiOgon posted:you do realize that type I diabetics are born with it (and usually quite thin), right? my uncle has it and runs marathons all the goddamn time, dude is the healthiest motherfucker i know
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GoluboiOgon posted:you do realize that type I diabetics are born with it (and usually quite thin), right? but seriously all fatties kill yourselves C-SPAM has told me this is a very good and leftist opinion to have lol
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FactsAreUseless posted:No, I don't know aaaaaanything about diabetes, lmao, and I'm being extremely serious, ha ha Which thread?
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Nanomashoes posted:Which thread? nah j/k some dumbass in the Trump thread going on about how disgusting fat people are
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FactsAreUseless posted:ALL OF THEM Trump is a bronze Baron Harkonnen
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Lastgirl posted:Trump is a bronze Baron Harkonnen
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FactsAreUseless posted:yeah but because he touches kids, not just because he's fat true luckily they're able to outrun him because of the bone spurs and use obstacles like stairs to their advantage 
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