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Symbolic Butt posted:with Lula out, Bolsonaro is the strongest candidate by a considerable margin Eeeh, he really needs a Trump effect without the benefit of the doubt Trump got. All of the mainstream media is getting geared up to beat him down already because he's a PSDB adversary. He also won't hold during debates and a good chunk of the influential voting populace here is super conservative but likes to pay lip-service to "progressive" politics as in Hillary Clinton poo poo. I mean, just the fact the dude is a LEGIT threat scares me, but as the election rages on I think he loses more supporters than he gains.
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Jan 26, 2018 00:16
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I'm not afraid of the possibility he's winning this election. But 2022 however...
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Dias posted:Eeeh, he really needs a Trump effect without the benefit of the doubt Trump got. All of the mainstream media is getting geared up to beat him down already because he's a PSDB adversary. He also won't hold during debates and a good chunk of the influential voting populace here is super conservative but likes to pay lip-service to "progressive" politics as in Hillary Clinton poo poo. I hope you are right. But I think the elites and their media really underestimate how much of his appeal comes not from being anti-PT but from being anti-"politicians and their corrupt system".
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I know a lot of people IRL who said they were going to vote for Lula first and Bolsonaro second so the "anti establishment" angle might be right there.
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Jan 26, 2018 00:53
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I hope we aren't about to Duterte ourselves. These are already wasted years, I kinda don't want another four wasted ones.
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Just to be clear, far from me being a cheerleader for Bolsonaro, or even being overly pessimistic... I'm just reproducing the sentiment that the polls have been showing, this is candidate preference from November/2017:Ibope posted:Lula (PT): 26% The actual election scenarios are more complicated but you can clearly feel that whoever is going against Bolsonaro will have a tough road to overcome, he's definitely not the underdog now.
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The establishment will soon focus on him, that's true. I remember back in 2001-2002, when Roseane Sarney, daughter of political bigshot Jose Sarney was getting unexpectedly popular and getting in the way of then-Great Neoliberal Hope José Serra. All of a sudden, federal police conducted a surprise raid on her husband's business, cracked a safe, took pictures of the piles of cash and released it to the media. The case was a confused mess (there was no evidence that the cash had criminal origins), but it was enough to blunt her ascent in the polls, and her party was too parasitical with the then-government to do more than sulk. The case was thrown out for lack of evidence, but the goal was met. Even if something similar happens to Bolsonaro, though, I doubt the effect would be the same. It just might endear him to the dumb masses who marched wearing green-and-yellow then fell silent after a worse gang took power; a new chance to vent their outrage.
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Sephyr posted:Eh. It was a very limp affair, to be honest. Even my family and friends, who hate Lula as if he had shat in their cereal for the last 5 years without fail, couldn't muster more than retweeting a meme or two. There was some wanker with a bullhorn on his balcony, someone else beating a pan in the distance, some fireworks in Higienopolis (the upper-middle-class pretentious neighborhood), and that was it. I didn't think much of it but now that I read this I feel like you're completely right. Dilma's impeachment was a huge deal, I couldn't sleep at night with all the noise. There was none of the same enthusiasm with Lula's sentence now. People completely lost their political souls.
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Symbolic Butt posted:I didn't think much of it but now that I read this I feel like you're completely right. Dilma's impeachment was a huge deal, I couldn't sleep at night with all the noise. There was none of the same enthusiasm with Lula's sentence now. People completely lost their political souls. it is simple: everything was supposed to get better once PT was out it didn't, now a lot of people are starting to connect the dots in the sense of "well even if Lula gets arrested my situation won't change anything" and that is the real issue: I think folks really grossly overestimate Bolsonaro's actual reach in a possible presidency because: The moment he realizes he isn't getting poo poo done without Safra, Setúbal et al (basically the ridiculously huge banker guys here in the country for you foreign goons) since otherwise they will be sitting on his table explaining "freebies are over son, if you don't toe our line, try to govern without an economy", he is loving done he can't keep a very strong neoliberal financial policy with his strain of strongman authoritarianism because guess what, Brazil ain't poo poo to push against WTO sanctions or businessmen at Davos going "welp Brazil is truly done for with that guy, better take out our money", and this is exactly why he needs to go against Ciro Gomes or someone of his caliber in a debate because he will poo poo himself trying to answer that problem: he needs to decide what actual type of corrupt servile shitbag politician he is
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dead comedy forums posted:it is simple: everything was supposed to get better once PT was out I'd call it fatigue. Both in the fact that Lula has been on the news for so long and the fact we can't go two months without a new god drat scandal to get pissed off at. At this point, Lula getting a sentence ends up being more of a "wow, loving finally" moment than a big surprise worthy of celebration or crying.
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dead comedy forums posted:it is simple: everything was supposed to get better once PT was out The stock market is up 7% since Wednesday, 60% since the impeachment, things are better for the folks who really matter, and that's why the son of Cesar Maia is the speaker of the house and Moreira Franco is one of the most powerful ministers and nobody cares about corruption anymore.
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I wouldn't call it fatigue per se, I think it's just that everyone knew the "booking" for this trial.
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Magrov posted:The stock market is up 7% since Wednesday, 60% since the impeachment, things are better for the folks who really matter, and that's why the son of Cesar Maia is the speaker of the house and Moreira Franco is one of the most powerful ministers and nobody cares about corruption anymore. hell yea I am in totes agreement with you as the guy who was doing plumbing maintenance here in the building said yesterday, "I read on the papers that the stock market is up and up but I never seen any bonus for my work"
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Dias posted:I wouldn't call it fatigue per se, I think it's just that everyone knew the "booking" for this trial. that's what makes me apathetic about the elections, or just politics in general. You can discuss ideologies, right vs. left all you want, but at the end of the day every politician is just playing games and trading favors, no matter the party. Seems that they decided to turn on Lula now, and down he goes. Same poo poo happened with Cunha.
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I can't not love my country, this years carnaval is woke as gently caress and there's president neoliberal vampire       
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The uncomfortable silences of the TV narrators, who usually go on endlessly about what inspired each costume and block, was almost as amazing. "It's a, um, neoliberal vampire." "Yeah." "It has a presidential, presidential ribbon, I think." "Yup."
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Feb 12, 2018 16:34
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Yeah lmao globo choking while describing that frw
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Feb 12, 2018 19:02
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what's up with the ducks with dollar signs
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large adult son posted:what's up with the ducks with dollar signs Giant ducks were widely used in anti-Dilma protests. 
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it comes from the "não vou pagar o pato" slogan back then which literally means "I'm not paying the duck" but the translated expression means more like "I'm not paying for your bills" it was an insidiously conservative slogan...
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A left wing councilwoman was executed in Rio after she started talking about stories of police brutalizing people and taking pictures of their ids in case people wanted to press charges.
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Cup Runneth Over posted:I hope that she at least escaped torture before she was murdered. She was shot in her car, so probably just murder.
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tbqf r/brasil was rather universally outraged, which is kinda unusual besides people who comment in news sites are chickenshit not only here but everywhere, put one of those face to face with a guy who works construction from six-to-six from Acari and in his way back still gets harassed by police and let's see how that goes edit: Temer calling that an "offensive against democracy" was 
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oh hey they found out the bullets are connected with cops what a loving surprise
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Symbolic Butt posted:oh hey they found out the bullets are connected with cops Wonder what the CHUDs will argue now, since all comments were "she was defending the criminals that killed her"
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nerdz posted:Wonder what the CHUDs will argue now, since all comments were "she was defending the criminals that killed her" An actual, breathing congressman is saying that she was married to gang leader Marcinho VP and got pregnant at 16, among other niceties. She was 38, her daughter is 119, by the by. Do the math.
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Sephyr posted:An actual, breathing congressman is saying that she was married to gang leader Marcinho VP and got pregnant at 16, among other niceties. 
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My wife’s niece is Polícia Militar and shared some “why don’t the leftists care when police die, not that I care about her death btw just another corpse” screenshot of a Facebook post and I’ve never seen such a clear divide in her family when it comes to politics. I don’t live in Rio but my city had a pretty big demonstration as well. In the end though, even if official investigation turns up with proof of her being executed by police I’m not even sure it would make a difference. As an outsider Brazilian politics seems completely insane far too often.
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Knitting Beetles posted:My wife’s niece is Polícia Militar and shared some “why don’t the leftists care when police die, not that I care about her death btw just another corpse” screenshot of a Facebook post and I’ve never seen such a clear divide in her family when it comes to politics. I don’t live in Rio but my city had a pretty big demonstration as well. In the end though, even if official investigation turns up with proof of her being executed by police I’m not even sure it would make a difference. You know very well it won't.
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Knitting Beetles posted:My wife’s niece is Polícia Militar and shared some “why don’t the leftists care when police die, not that I care about her death btw just another corpse” screenshot of a Facebook post and I’ve never seen such a clear divide in her family when it comes to politics. I don’t live in Rio but my city had a pretty big demonstration as well. In the end though, even if official investigation turns up with proof of her being executed by police I’m not even sure it would make a difference. There's been federal appellate judges publicly saying that she was a member of a national gang (comando vermelho), which was obviously bullshit. Brazil is still a deeply racist and reactionary country.
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joepinetree posted:There's been federal appellate judges publicly saying that she was a member of a national gang (comando vermelho), which was obviously bullshit. Brazil is still a deeply racist and reactionary country. It's very much based on who you are and who you know. Not too long ago, an appellate judge's son (guy in his 30s) was caught with hundreds of pounds of pot, as well as illegal guns and ammo, in his car. Got off instantly because Mom pulled strings to make sure it was classed as personal use. I'm sure it was brought up here. Then a few weeks ago, same guy got caught again with an adult man's weight in marijuana in his car, and wasn't even detained. It was just a sidenote on the news. But if you are a brown person catching a stray bullet in the favelas? Ehh, you were likely a thug and gang member anyway, better off dead.
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What do people think of AMLO in Mexico? I read this article on him and it was good https://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/mexico-elections-andres-manuel-lopez-obrador-amlo Also https://mobile.twitter.com/pseudoerasmus/status/972064268135862273 I guess neoliberalism was ... bad???
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icantfindaname posted:What do people think of AMLO in Mexico? I read this article on him and it was good I'll be honest, I am astonished you read that blog. It writes things like this. The twitter thread you link to goes to and fro but it covers pretty familiar ground and winds back to pointing fingers at political institutions and dysfunction (always fertile ground for economists since, once one winds here, one's guess is as good as anybody's) "but what if... neoliberalism is bad" is certainly an odd way to read it; neoliberalism is almost totally orthogonal to the tired tussle between ISI and ELI and middle-income traps
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ronya posted:I'll be honest, I am astonished you read that blog. It writes things like this. What’s astonishing about that blog or that post? He’s not left wing enough for what you take my taste to be? quote:"but what if... neoliberalism is bad" is certainly an odd way to read it; neoliberalism is almost totally orthogonal to the tired tussle between ISI and ELI and middle-income traps If the comparison is between pre-1980s and post-1980s Mexico then neoliberalism seems very relevant, no?
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well, "left-wing" is one thing. Kenneth Arrow was socialist. It's more ideological... temperament, shall I say. I took your choice of bedtime reading to be more of the sort where the phrase "wage repression" might make the writer break out in hives icantfindaname posted:If the comparison is between pre-1980s and post-1980s Mexico then neoliberalism seems very relevant, no? not really. kinda. sort of. To clarify: conventionally the Mexican lost decade started in the late 1970s and the neoliberal turn happened in the late 1980s. A typically left-wing reading then pivots to say, well, the seeds were sown in the 1950s and 1960s, et cetera, the 1970s as brutal reaction and overthrow of foolish socialist moderates that should have radically transformed society when they had the chance!! that foretold its own destruction, etc etc which can be sustained as an intellectual framework but that 1) gives up on the 1980s as a clear pivot and 2) clearly isn't what a graph of a spectacular ^-shape is trying to suggest
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