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I'd just like to experience Google Earth VR one time without having to pay hundreds of dollars. I've been told it's quite an experience. Dear Oculus, please set up demo booths around America.
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Craptacular! posted:I'd just like to experience Google Earth VR one time without having to pay hundreds of dollars. I've been told it's quite an experience. They had demo booths at best buy.
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Mar 19, 2018 00:46
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Dang, only $350 for a Rift? I could super get into that.
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Mar 19, 2018 01:17
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NewFatMike posted:Dang, only $350 for a Rift? I could super get into that. Micro Center has it at that price right now, though there are sales going on and off at that price a lot.
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Mar 19, 2018 01:24
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PerrineClostermann posted:Micro Center has it at that price right now, though there are sales going on and off at that price a lot. Buying any VR headset at the moment is like prematurely picking a format before it's finalized. Provided the 'fad' doesn't fizzle out entirely, my guess is eventually there's going to be a ~standard~ agreed upon that none of the current headsets will conveniently meet.
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Mar 19, 2018 02:20
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I mean they can just do regular desktop stuff, too, right? Having your own theater format without having to crane your neck in your own living room is pretty cool.
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Mar 19, 2018 03:49
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I have a friend who purchased a Rift and he let me try it out when I was over. While using it I punched him, a wall, and nearly my girlfriend. That's my VR story.
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Mar 19, 2018 04:23
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Subjunctive posted:I don’t think that’s true. I had very good VR experiences more than 2 years ago on a $1200 machine, and the Rift is about $500. If you think immersive has to mean photorealistic then the bar is higher, but that hasn’t been my experience even before things like ATW were refined enough to ship. BIG HEADLINE posted:Buying any VR headset at the moment is like prematurely picking a format before it's finalized. Provided the 'fad' doesn't fizzle out entirely, my guess is eventually there's going to be a ~standard~ agreed upon that none of the current headsets will conveniently meet. That said I think right now is the worst time to buy in to VR, both because of the GPU situation and because there's so much cool stuff just around the corner so a little bit of patience could get you better hardware or lower prices on current tech. wolrah fucked around with this message at 04:52 on Mar 19, 2018 |
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Mar 19, 2018 04:49
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Buying any VR headset at the moment is like prematurely picking a format before it's finalized. Provided the 'fad' doesn't fizzle out entirely, my guess is eventually there's going to be a ~standard~ agreed upon that none of the current headsets will conveniently meet. Given the cross compatibility and the tracking they have, there's no reason to think that you're buying LaserDisc with DVD right around the corner.
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Mar 19, 2018 05:05
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I have a desktop with some variation of a GTX 560 Ti, which doesn’t look like it can drive a 4K monitor, which I’m also looking at getting. What’s the not cheap but not totally crazy gaming card at the moment? And, is the advice due to buttcoining pretty much “lol don’t buy”? Is it likely there will be any lessening of the effect of crypto on GPUs anytime soon?
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Mar 19, 2018 05:15
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Krakkles posted:I have a desktop with some variation of a GTX 560 Ti, which doesn’t look like it can drive a 4K monitor, which I’m also looking at getting. A 1050Ti is probably what you want, but they are still a little costly. Nobody can say what's going on with GPU prices and crypto since even though earnings are low enough that even dumb goons are turning off their mining rigs, a lot of people bought a pile of video cards to make a return on investment and won't turn them off or stop buying forever.
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Mar 19, 2018 05:43
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Krakkles posted:I have a desktop with some variation of a GTX 560 Ti, which doesn’t look like it can drive a 4K monitor, which I’m also looking at getting. Depends how much you tolerate upscaling. GTX 1050 Ti is the Medium/1080P card GTX 1060 is the High settings/1080P card GTX 1070/Ti/1080 are the 1440P cards GTX 1080 Ti is the 4K card I wouldn't recommend anything less than a 1050 Ti for gaming, mainly because on desktops, the 1050 only has 2GB of RAM while 1050Ti has 4GB. For a similar reason, I wouldn't normally recommend a 1060 3GB either, especially on a longer upgrade cycle. Though at current prices, you can actually obtain a 1060 3GB for $270 here, while a 1060 6GB is going to be $350+, which might make the 3GB worth it since not all games are bottlenecked by 3GB, just some The other option is to go back a generation and try to get a used GTX 970 4GB for cheap, which has pretty similar performance to a GTX 1060 3GB. They do use a lot more power though. I think waiting is the best option, mining has become like 40% less profitable the last two weeks or so and I bet a lot of miners are sitting on the edge hoping the numbers go back up, and if it doesn't soon, might start offloading their poo poo. Even if you don't want to buy a used mining card, it would have a big ripple effect and maybe prices would approach MSRP again.
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Mar 19, 2018 06:50
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The big one will be ASICs getting into the cryptocurrencies cards were good at, and skyrocketing the difficulty so that GPUs aren't worth the return, even on free electricity.
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Mar 19, 2018 06:59
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Alpha Mayo posted:Depends how much you tolerate upscaling. I’m fine with upscaling games for now, I wouldn’t be fine with only being able to run windows at 1080P. I think I agree - wait a month or two, see if prices drop. Maybe buy used.
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Mar 19, 2018 07:08
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Yeah I should clarify, I am talking about gaming (3D rendering). Even a GT 1030 will output 4K 60fps over HDMI. A lot of older cards do too, for HDMI you are looking for HDMI 2.0 which is what added 4K@60FPS support. Also I just noticed even a 1030 GT is $150+ on Newegg, are fuckers using those for mining too or something?
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Mar 19, 2018 07:25
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Palladium posted:I dunno man, I have used bargain basement mobos from Biostar, Asrock, Gigabyte, Asus, MSI, Abit and a no-brand VIA Socket 370 throughout the years, and all were flawless except a Gigabyte nForce 6150 mobo that has a known cold-boot issue. yeah I've owned a few asrock boards and had no issues; better reliability than asus in my (anecdotal) experience. seem to have a better record than gigabyte in terms of not shipping absolute poo poo that breaks within a year Mister Facetious posted:The big one will be ASICs getting into the cryptocurrencies cards were good at, and skyrocketing the difficulty so that GPUs aren't worth the return, even on free electricity. good
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Mar 19, 2018 09:45
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Theoretical question: Would it be possible to have an Nvidia GPU render a game, then have the framebuffer routed through an AMD card to use Freesync? Lucid Virtu MVP used to do something similar to this with Intel + Discrete graphics but that was in the Sandy/Ivy bridge days and for Intel iGPUs on certain chipsets, plus that software is dead these days and doesn't work on Win10 Basically -NVidia card generates the framebuffer -AMD cards reads the framebuffer from Nvidia card -AMD card uses adaptive sync/Freesync to monitor The catch is you would have both a NVidia card and an AMD card in the same system, but Windows 10 can do that pretty well. And you'd need either a discrete Radeon card > R7 260, or an AMD APU.
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Mar 19, 2018 09:46
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Alpha Mayo posted:Depends how much you tolerate upscaling. Man, you are optimistic. I would move all those cards down (up?) one quality slot. Alpha Mayo posted:Theoretical question: Would it be possible to have an Nvidia GPU render a game, then have the framebuffer routed through an AMD card to use Freesync? Lucid Virtu MVP used to do something similar to this with Intel + Discrete graphics but that was in the Sandy/Ivy bridge days and for Intel iGPUs on certain chipsets, plus that software is dead these days and doesn't work on Win10 Good news! Look into the Looking Glass project. https://looking-glass.hostfission.com/quickstart It evacuates program output from programs (read: games) running in a Windows VM with hardware passthrough, where it can be read by Linux and outputted through some other video output. Yes, this means if you had an AMD card, you could get Freesync-on-NVidia. Warning: Linux-only. Because Windows never gets any of the cool poo poo. /s SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 10:19 on Mar 19, 2018 |
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Mar 19, 2018 10:11
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Not sure if this should go here, or in haus of tech support... I just had my sapphire rx480 die on me - when the card is connected to the motherboard the machine will not even enter bios. It had been running stable for 13 months now, and I haven't even been using it for heavy loads (no mining, no 4k gaming, just 1650x1080 medium settings). Crashed while I was surfing the web... I do have a 550w psu (antec basiq), and my board is an asus p8p67 rev 3.1... The sister computer my cousin has (same specs, but he does mining and 4k gaming) is still running smooth, albeit it being extremely dusty and sticky. Mine, on the other hand, still looks like it came out of the package. Just wondering if this is an outlier, as I hear sapphire cards are supposed to be known for their stability... thanks!
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Mar 19, 2018 14:28
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Guigui posted:Not sure if this should go here, or in haus of tech support... Probably a better question for the Haus, but does your computer attempt to do anything when powering on? Error beeps, fans whirring, etc.? Tried leaving the card plugged in but plugging your monitor into integrated graphics, or using a different PCI slot? Leaving the card in the slot but unplugging the auxiliary power cable to the card? Basically try out different things for some data points to help pin down whether it's the card or the mobo or the PSU causing failures. If you got a spare PC plug the card in there to see what happens.
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Mar 19, 2018 15:14
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Guigui posted:Not sure if this should go here, or in haus of tech support... When I got an RX480 I had massive problems getting it stable with a Seasonic 550w PSU (2x12v rail) . I ended up having to get a EVGA one rail 850w. I'm not saying for sure that is a thing but these cards take a LOT of power and that psu might be unhappy.
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Mar 19, 2018 15:43
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Man, you are optimistic. I would move all those cards down (up?) one quality slot. If you are shooting for 144hz or "competitive gaming" or something, yeah. If you are ok with lower framerates, a 1060 6gig can play drat near everything maxed at 1440p and not drop below 30fps, which is my cutoff for playable for most games.
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Mar 19, 2018 17:09
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G-Sync/Freesync can also pick up the slack, but when you get to 1440p at this point, surely 144 Hz is to be assumed. Wish Steam surveys were more granular than the current crap.
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Mar 19, 2018 17:16
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Guigui posted:Not sure if this should go here, or in haus of tech support... Do you live close to your cousin? Or anybody with a PCIe slot? It will save you a huge amount of troubleshooting considering the situation if you could verify the card works or doesn't work. Power delivery is more likely here than normal, but that could be through the slot itself or the PSU directly and it'll be good to know. edit: By slot I dont mean just power either, though the 480 is weird enough with slot power that it may be power too. I'd be careful with the brand is this or that stuff you find online though, its always specific models within specific generations that have issues. Video cards, like most things, have a very low failure rate making the average information gleaned from owners about failure rates* (*not other information though) pretty useless. Now this is a good thing because it means cards arent melting down left or right, but it does subject brands with attributes they dont necessarily deserve. 1gnoirents fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Mar 19, 2018 |
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Mar 19, 2018 17:21
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Expanding DirectX 12: Microsoft Announces DirectX Raytracing NVIDIA Announces RTX Technology: Real Time Ray Tracing Acceleration for Volta GPUs and Later hell yeah, death to rasterization repiv fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Mar 19, 2018 |
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Mar 19, 2018 18:22
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That is all kinds of cool but sweet jesus this better not invalidate my 1080 Ti already.
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Mar 19, 2018 18:24
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It totally did not! That is actually very exciting if it means real time ray tracing. I always felt (in very laymans understanding) that ray tracing is the last milestone between a rendered thing looking real or fake. 1gnoirents fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Mar 19, 2018 |
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Mar 19, 2018 18:27
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I seem to remember reading something about how you could do a very sparse sample of raytracing and then train a deep-learning network that would transform a raster image into a realistic-looking raytraced image, but I haven't been able to find it since I read it. That would probably be the only actual use for tensor hardware on consumer cards that I've heard of. edit: was probably one of these two https://casual-effects.com/research/Mara2017Denoise/Mara2017Denoise.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/1603.06078.pdf Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Mar 19, 2018 |
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Mar 19, 2018 18:40
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ufarn posted:when you get to 1440p at this point, surely 144 Hz is to be assumed That's an enormous assumption. 144hz is largely meaningless to a huge number of genres, including some with a lot of players, and largely limited to competitive games where 25 year olds are  and retiring due to the slowing muscle fibers and brain neurons of their ancient aging bodies. 144hz in Resident Evil or Assassins Creed is nice, but it's not nice enough to be worth slapping $100 on a monitor and accepting a TN panel for a lot of people.
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Mar 19, 2018 18:41
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Paul MaudDib posted:I seem to remember reading something about how you could do a very sparse sample of raytracing and then train a deep-learning network that would transform a raster image into a realistic-looking raytraced image, but I haven't been able to find it since I read it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjjTPV2pXY0
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https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2017/05/10/ai-for-ray-tracing/ Here's Nvidia's high level overview and examples of the results of training a neural network to denoise lower sample traces in Iray.
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Mar 19, 2018 18:50
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Kazinsal posted:That is all kinds of cool but sweet jesus this better not invalidate my 1080 Ti already. Look in your heart....you know the answer. This is the carrot they'll use to convince everyone they need to upgrade to the newest cards instead of being satisfied with those old decrepit pascal based cards. Nvidia is no longer competing with AMD, they now have to compete with themselves.
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Mar 19, 2018 18:51
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ufarn posted:G-Sync/Freesync can also pick up the slack, but when you get to 1440p at this point, surely 144 Hz is to be assumed. Wish Steam surveys were more granular than the current crap. Eh, I'm probably weird but I usually play my games on a 4k/60Hz screen and I just have a 1060. For newer games I often step down to 1080p, but emulators and anything indie/older than a year or two work great. I'll admit being curious to see what variable refresh rate looks like, but not enough to pay the G-Sync premium yet.
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Mar 19, 2018 18:52
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Craptacular! posted:That's an enormous assumption. 144hz is largely meaningless to a huge number of genres, including some with a lot of players, and largely limited to competitive games where 25 year olds are 25 year olds aren't retiring from profesional gaming because of "their ancient aging bodies", they do it because pro gaming is a poo poo long-term career. I do agree that 144hz is a bit too niche to be expected as a baseline right now.
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Arzachel posted:25 year olds aren't retiring from profesional gaming because of "their ancient aging bodies", they do it because pro gaming is a poo poo long-term career. I do agree that 144hz is a bit too niche to be expected as a baseline right now. Yeah turns out just because Logitech is paying for your Gamer House $35k/year ain't poo poo for living in Los Angeles or wherever.
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Mar 19, 2018 18:57
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repiv posted:Expanding DirectX 12: Microsoft Announces DirectX Raytracing so this basically confirms Volta will be used for gaming GPUs then?
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Arzachel posted:25 year olds aren't retiring from profesional gaming because of "their ancient aging bodies", they do it because pro gaming is a poo poo long-term career. I do agree that 144hz is a bit too niche to be expected as a baseline right now. I only follow one esport, but there was briefly a moment where so many 16 year olds debuted in Dota2 and made immediate impact that it was easy to joke that we were soon going to be seeing pre-teens. As for the older players, logic was four years ago that being 25 basically meant you were dead, but some old men are still incredible and others are okay with some moments of greatness. A guy one of the best teams right now just hit 30. Still you do have plenty of other people who should have seen the winds blowing and looked into a career that pays money without requiring you to be world class elite.
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Mar 19, 2018 19:07
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repiv posted:Expanding DirectX 12: Microsoft Announces DirectX Raytracing Cool. Now when are those Volta GPUs coming Nvidia?
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repiv posted:Expanding DirectX 12: Microsoft Announces DirectX Raytracing Now all we need is an industry that doesn't ignore DX12's existence entirely
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Setzer Gabbiani posted:Now all we need is an industry that doesn't ignore DX12's existence entirely Wouldn't that just get in the way of Vulkan development?
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